Apple fans whinge that Google ignores them

I fail to see why they even make issue of this. They should just press their PTS (Pray To Steve) button and go about their [self adoration] business.

I understand the next version of Apple OS will have a mirror feature. Actually a small window that acts like a mirror so the ApplFans can satisfy their narcissistic needs. When they press the PTS button, the image morphs to one St. Steven himself.

From now on I will not read the article further if the name on top sais Nick Farrel, just like I did with Charlie.

sorry Nick but you missed the point again. ppl are complaining about the fact that what's the point to release a browser which is missing quite a lot from core functionality. and i think that's pretty fair argument but you twisted it again to your liking so you can have a go on apple fanboys. jeez man, wake up!!!!!

for others - check the other online tech magazines to get more info on this

Sounds along the same mentality as the users who call me to fix apple problems then spend the whole time telling me that apple never breaks down .... AS I AM FIXING THEIR APPLE PRODUCT...pfft

Matias and other apple fans please don't cry. There are a few apple fan websites to read from if you want. Go play with your overpriced toys...

Good article, good point. As for the half-baked "Why release a half-finished browser" arguement allow me to retort: 1) You fanbois know what 'beta' means? and 2) What I want to know is how many features couldn't be included as a result of Jobs' iron fist, I'll wager money on it being the case that Jobs wouldn't allow sufficent access to OSX for them to code for it properly.

Oh yeah, didn't you bleeding-heart fanbois have the perfect, downtrodden Safari to use? Aren't all Crapple products beyond reproach? Surely you gods-among-lusers don't need Google?

/rant

hmm not sure what you mean by fanboy, i'm using both win and mac at home and at work only win so not quite sure what kind of fanboy does it make me. and yes, i know very well what beta is, actually i'm running developer version of chrome on my mbp but with missing core features it should be more like alpha than beta.

"I'll wager money on it being the case that Jobs wouldn't allow sufficent access to OSX for them to code for it properly." - i think you'd lose your money :)

I'm using 64bit Chrome on Linux now - it's great. Sucks to be an apple user.

Chrome Web Browser: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, not stripped

What that squirly button was on macs, the PTS (Pray To Steve ©) button, and here's me thinking it was put there just so that they could undermine keyboard shortcuts that have been around since CP/M days.

All those fanboys eh! Bet you can count them and stuff.

Seriously, Chrome is probably quite good on a PC and that's fine. I am an avid apple user but I don't feel shunned by not being able to use Chrome. I got Safari and Firefox and that does me quite nicely at the mo. I can use GoogleWave and all the other stuff and I really don't feel like I am missing out.

Is this really news in any sense or just taking someone else's petty journalism and whacking off over it to add your own sheen?

These cannot be true Macolytes. To even suggest that an Apple user could be wanting is an act of heresy in itself.

Really, what kind of Apple "believer" would debase his or herself in the practice of using heathen browsers such as Google Chrome? The powers that be have already shown their infinite generosity by providing the faithful with the gift of Safari. Surely, if there were something better--and of course there is not--the right-hand-of-God Steve Jobs (praise be His name) would deliver it to the masses.

Why would Apple want a rival browser? they control everything their users do, If Safari is the only browser that offers full functionality, then you have to use it, in other words Steve Jobs wet dream.

In truth, this all stems from the fact that Google is the company Apple wishes it could be, a company that can topple Microsoft, not through anti-competitive techniques or lawsuits, but through sheer invention and innovation.

Before any fanboys complain I am unfortantely about to shell out on a mac myself, as to run Xcode, you have to be running MAC OSX, just another example of Apple's anti-competitiveness. Hopefully I will be able to recoup the money by exploiting sed fanboys! See Circle of life stuff!

'not through anti-competitive techniques or lawsuits, but through sheer invention and innovation.'

and it's ability to (just like M$ and Apple) to buy other companies who have bright ideas and rebrand them as their own.

I don't think there's really much difference between all 3, they all want the biggest slice of pie and if I was to be scared of one of them it'd be google. This is not to say google are evil but merely have the capacity and reach to be the evilest.

all your bases WILL belong to google.

I was in no way making Google out to be a saint, any company of that size has to crush the little man, it's the only way it can stay on the top of the pile. Google definetly has the potential to eclipse Microsoft in its evilness.

However I like Google more than the other 2 for 3 VERY good reasons.
1. Microsoft CRUSHED netscape, to a large extent the pioneers of web browsing and mostly got away with it.

2. Apple, make some good stuff, there's no denying it, however when you here statements like "Think Apple, Think differently" or "A mac is a lifestyle choice" or when you meet a smarmy apple fanboy who thinks that by owning an Mac he has somehow futhered the evolution of the human race, I want to vomit.

3. Google make a kick ass search engine, (does anyone else remember searching before Google, Altavista??) and they use tables in HTML for layout!!!!!!!!

my $0.02 anyway

with all my ithingies and very happy with Safari - who actually needs chrome. Chrome what!!! Sounds like it is in need of a good polish and is a reflection of Safari anyway. Does chrome rust? or is it a case of code corrode?

Why so much hate? That's all this article is about.

Blablahblah..the Apple fanboys..blablabla the Linux geeks...blablabla.. the greedy MS pig and the evil big brother, Google.

The more I read those kinds of articles, the more I get the same old crap, the same flaming comments...

@Xerkon the Great "who actually needs chrome"
- Well I do. I wont state what OS I am using as it is irrelevant.

You hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that the reason Google does that is because the standards on WIn software is pretty low. It only has to function betterthan an Ms app - that's the low bar - anyone nitwit outside of Redmond's burecrats can top that ... tryingto come up with elegant Mac OSx software is much, much harder AND if it's an Apple app - forgetaboutit. That's why Google Earth was late to the mac, the WIN PC version could have buttons anywhere and random bit of interface, who cares, on the WIN PC side, if it launches in less than a minute and doesn't crash every 8 seconds, it's a miracle & "great." It's like the difference in dating as a 12-year old and one at 30 ... just differnt standards.

It's terrible isn't it Nick - Apple products are rubbish, overpriced and only have a pitiful 5% market share but you're compelled to write about them. Must be because from a 500 word commission, you only have to write 200 on the actual topic, the rest is content-free and thought-free ranting against Macs and Fanboys. Still better than working isn't it. :-)

computer user who remember the early days of both mac and pc, c64 and amiga -not to mention the hatred for atari, the adoration for Acorn and NeXT. I much enjoy these rants, I don't particularly hate snapple nor do I particularly love the vole, when I look at computers today all I see is the stuff I was promised ten years ago that still isn't here. Sure I can make a Skype video conference call and that's cool, but you know -what happened to self-organizing intelligent file systems that works more like a database and less like some annoying tree-structure? It may not be as sexy shiny buttons but it'd sure improve my daily toil. I hope google intends to give all camps a run for the money though I suspect it will be vole forever in my workplace. Still waiting for Adobe to port their shit to linux... -would make a lotta pros happy.

computer user who remember the early days of both mac and pc, c64 and amiga -not to mention the hatred for atari, the adoration for Acorn and NeXT. I much enjoy these rants, I don't particularly hate snapple nor do I particularly love the vole, when I look at computers today all I see is the stuff I was promised ten years ago that still isn't here. Sure I can make a Skype video conference call and that's cool, but you know -what happened to self-organizing intelligent file systems that works more like a database and less like some annoying tree-structure? It may not be as sexy shiny buttons but it'd sure improve my daily toil. I hope google intends to give all camps a run for the money though I suspect it will be vole forever in my workplace. Still waiting for Adobe to port their shit to linux... -would make a lotta pros happy.

Nice work, Nick. You masterfully prepare the bait and you always catch something for us.

Fanbois are just too entertaining to piss off to ignore them and they never let you down.

Keep 'em coming, Nick!!

"MacDailyNews moans that Google hates Apple users, which is fair enough, most people do."

Hahaha thanks for the giggle Nick.

What I don't get is Chrome being a webkit based browser, shouldn't it have been easy to get it working on the Mac? Isn't that where Webkit came from?

You don't *NEED* XCode, or MacOSX or a Mac. And it's obvious you dont like/want products from Apple. In case you forgot, you can buy Windows PCs and Visual Studio, or a Linux Box, and for mobile development, you can program for Android, WebOS, Symbian, WinMo. So unless Apple was stopping these other companies from seeling their immitation products, or illegally keeping you from buying them, your "statement" of "anti-competitness" makes no sence. If i drove a BMW, i dont accuse it of anti-competitness towards other inferior cars which i did not choose.

So i suggest you not "support" this (as you say) "anti-ciompetitive" company, and instead support Microsoft/Nokia/Ubuntu/Palm/etc.

Also, my stance....a company like Apple which innovates inorder to compete with copycat companies like Microsoft for customers, symbolize competitiveness, to me. That, and they still make the best computer SYSTEM(hardware+software combination) in this industry.

PS:I too develop on XCode....and i like the fact that ALL dev.tools from Apple for MacOSX are free, unlike.... for example Visual Studio.

I drive a BMW (when a Ford would do),

I own a 1959 Leica M2 (when a Canon would do),

I play a Gibson Flying V (when a Jappo import would do)

I have a Mesa Boogie (when a Peavey would do),

I have assets of 2million (yes really) when a council house would do.

If I wanted some uncool shit in my nice house then a Windows PC would be just the thing.

I suppose Apple/Leica for us professionals and Windows for you working class plebian dream boys who just wish for something better.

Google ignore Mac users? Who gives a shit! Chrome is a waste of time, effort and R&D. Spend your time on something worthwhile, like, erm, sex. Oh, I forgot you guys just don't get any of that either.

Point made by a perfect douche who values form over function. Thanks Xerk.

You're welcome, and by the same logic you're married to an ugly woman. They perform the same function but I much prefer one that has good FORM.

Windows users = Married to ugly women (function over form).

Mac users = Married to beautiful women (form over function).

Chrome users = VIRGIN.

As my wife is a living glowing example, I would MUCH rather have FORM over Function.

Not to fan the flames, but I don't find this very persuasive. Google hasn't fulfilled the promise it made to Apple users, but Apple users have no right to complain because Apple has a smaller market-share than Windows?

It seems like your frustrations are misguided. If market-share were the real crux of the problem, you should be pissed off at Google for the time it wastes building products for the Mac.

But that kind of an article wouldn't make for an easy cheap shot at some moron who is held up as the stereotypical Apple user, would it?

I don't need Xcode per se, but if want to develop for the iphone SDK and use the iPhone simulator then I need to be running Mac OSX. I could do this in a virtual machine BUT it just doesn't really payoff in the long run, and it's illegal.

Now Macs and PC's use exactly the same hardware, it is only software restrictions that stop it running on PC hardware. Apple could compile a version of Xcode for windows and charge window users more. I wouldn't mind this as much.

Secondly Xcode is free, BUT if you want to actually use your app on a iPhone, you need a developers license. which can range from $99-300.

Thirdly Visual studio express IS free only the more advanced versions, which offer a lot more than Xcode btw, cost money and any developer worth his salt will have a MSDN subscription which negates the cost to some extent anyway.

Finally, I have absolutely nothing against apple products, they are generally well built, usable and promote some interesting features. I just don't like the fact that they monopolise their hardware market so that you pay a ridicolously inflated price. That is the only thing I object to. If free market forces were in play and I could get a macbook for say £400-500 I would have no problem with apple what so-ever. BUT £1,000 for a 15inch screen come on! thats almost a £700 markup!

...Nick's articles on the main page so we won't click on them in the forlorn hope that there may actually be some news value to them?

thanks!

And the Cult of St. Steve wonders why they are perceived in such a bad light (St. Steve's halo?).

We have Xerkon saying: I'm rich bitch, so I use Apple. Gives details that no one cares about; being a douche. There are others who have more assets (and less douche) and don't use Apple, but who cares about others when the Cult of St. Steve, terminal smugness and all around doucheness is the minimum requirement to be encompassed by St. Steve's halo.

There's one reason I don't use St. Steve's products: They break; stuff like that happens, it's part of mass production. The problem is that Apple always blames the user.

My two buddies who own (I wouldn't call it that) mac pros, seem to always have their machines in the shop, worst of all, it's always their fault, but everytime it's fixed they're being done a favor.

WebKit is a rendering engine, not a browser. Just because the bit of code that calculates how to draw a paragraph can run on a Mac or PC, doesn't mean the browser interface, custom javascript interpretor and all the other bits and pieces can work cross-platform.

I'm guessing part of what makes Chrome so fast is that Google's original code is closely tied to Windows. Making a Mac version may require extensive rewrites or surplus interface layers that will hit performance, leaving not much of a benefit over any other Mac browser.

Then, having two forks to maintain and develop features between results in more cost and hassle for Google, and all for a minuscule market share.

Hexx, Nick didn't miss the point. Baiting Apple fanbois is his thing, surely you can see that by now. It's comedy gold.

Xerkon the great, the richest people I know don't like getting taken for ride. I'm wondering did you work for your 2mil or did you inherit it or win it? I'm guessing that it's shrinking rather than growing.

I know a couple of people in the top 200 richest list for the UK and neither of them like getting taken for a ride or being wasteful. Quality is fine, but paying 2x more for the same thing inside, well that's just being a fool.

Apple made it big with their MP3 player because they made it pretty and easy, a bit like Xerkon's wife and her access to his wallet. ;-)

Only because you're jealous Max. Probably because you're POOR. Because I am English and speak ENGLISH I do not know the meaning of the word 'douche', it's obviously a foreign term. Don't worry, there will soon be more Spanish speakers in America and you'll all be speaking SPANISH. And your national anthem will look a bit like this...

¿O, dice lata que usted ve por el luz temprana de alba lo que tan orgullosamente granizamos granizamos hace en el brillar último de anochecer? ¿Cuyas rayas anchas y estrellas brillantes por el
combate peligroso, SOBRE las murallas que miramos tan corrían valerosamente?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Actually, a bit of both my friend. Worked for it and some inheritance. Never won a thing in my life.

No I certainly don't like being taken for a ride, but look at things in perspective. My BMW cost £42,000 I could have bought a Ford Fiesta, and that would have done basically the same job, what are they? £12,000! Big price difference yes! So spending a few hundred pounds more on a much more stylish computer is what the Americans would call 'a no brainer'. That's if I have my vernacular correct. I highly esteem aesthetics. I suppose that is the result of a private and university education.

Google's videos amuse me. You see a line of Google priests at a high table talking at you, each with an open laptop in front of them. Google doesn't seem bothered by the ethnic diversity of the speakers, but one of the open laptops is ALWAYS a MacBook. Usually next to the main speaker.

It's pretty funny to see how uptight people get.

It's probably really simple. Like most big software, it took longer and ended up being harder than they expected.

Mac users are a minority, and like so many minority's and lobby groups they are vocal and shout and scream alot to get attention. It's immature but it gets attention.

I actually stopped using Chrome because I found it didn't handle multiple tabs well when a socket would get stuck, and as a developer it happens sometimes.

So I always have Firefox 3.5 and IE8 open and more or less use them interchangeably.

I've used safari 4 on pc a while ago but it lacked the features of firefox, the rapid speed of chrome, and the startup times of IE. It also didn't match the windows color scheme or render matching controls and it WANTS me to install itunes and other products which basically dumps it into the adware/spyware category in my books.

I read the MacDailyNews post, I forgot what apple fanbois are really like. To say google and microsoft are any more evil than apple or any other large corporation is pretty blind. Corporations are what they are, an institution devoted to making money for shareholders. Apple isn't a charity and they are guilty of all sorts of things that outsiders consider unethical.

I did find the quality of software comparisons amusing. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Is a friendly app that does less or a cluttered app that does everything better quality? Is quality defined solely by ease of use? What if the simple program can't actually perform what you need it to because in the interest of ease of use they didn't include what you needed? Now what if some of the extra features don't really work that great but all the features in the simple interface that are also in the complex program work as well in both? Which is higher quality then? Would you rather have a feature that could be better or not have it at all? I think this is very dependent on the individual.

Take notepad and microsoft word as some obvious extreme's. I actually use notepad more than word, but when I need word I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Now compare windows and mac os, mac os runs on specific hardware with specific drivers and supports a small subset of what windows supports. Now if say 5% of windows configurations are unstable as a result of drivers, and 0% of mac's are unstable a result of drivers, does this mean mac os is higher quality? Does it mean it is more stable? If there are say 1,000,000 possible stable configurations of windows and 50,000 unstable configurations of windows and 100 stable mac os configuration? If microsoft declares the 5% of unstable hardware not compatible with windows and now has 0% unstable configurations does this now improve the quality of windows? Stuff to think about anyways.

Why does using a well-designed, more expensive product make us Apple 'Fan Boys' narcissistic? Just because it looks great in our minimal home and we make more cash than you, there's no need to get jealous. And there's nothing wrong in being loyal to a brand. You guys have been loyal to Star Trek for decades. (Do we have to invent Star Trek branded deodorant and shampoo so you'll try some?)