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GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 chiefs claim PRISM concerns are not based on fact

Claim they acted within the law
Thu Nov 07 2013, 16:53
GCHQ Cheltenham

THE TOP DOGS at the UK Government Communications Head Quarters (GCHQ), Security Service (MI5) and Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) have lashed out at Parliament and the media, claiming that concerns about their internet surveillance are not based on fact.

Under Intelligence Security Committee (ISC) questioning on Thursday, GCHQ director Sir Iain Lobban argued that UK government intelligence agencies have consistently acted within the letter of the law when mounting cyber operations.

"A government's first duty is to protect its people. Doing this some of measures have to be secret, but that doesn't mean they're unaccountable," he said.

"I believe certain methods should remains secret. Secret doesn't mean sinister. It feels strange to say we have nothing to hide as we work in secrecy but we have people above us, we have our masters. We are subject to the law and I'm sure that's true of my sister agencies as well. There are very good safeguards in place."

MI5 director general Andrew Parker added that any ill-will by the general public should fall on the government's shoulders, as the decision to allow or disallow surveillance operations rests with politicians.

"Openness is something we've been on the road of for some time and these are issues for ministers to lead on," he said.

"The constant and real issue for us is ensuring the work we do is lawful and that our staff can be assured what they're doing is lawful. The arrangements there are parliamentary. It may be more helpful to bring that to light, to make clear all these arrangements rely on the parliament and the public."

MI6 chief Sir John Sawers mirrored Parker's sentiments, saying, "The law is for you the parliamentarians."

The intelligence chiefs comments follow a ruling by the the committee that the GCHQ's use of US National Security Agency (NSA) PRISM data was not illegal. Despite the ruling, many privacy groups have expressed concern about how UK intelligence agencies collect data. The concerns led the ISC to expand the scope of its investigation into whether new privacy legislation is required following the PRISM scandal to include public feedback.

Sir Lobban moved to further allay these concerns by claiming that GCHQ agents only analysed data on potential terrorists or criminals.

"We do not spend our time listening to calls or reading emails from the majority of UK citizens, it would not be legal, we do not do it. It would be wonderful if terrorists used one form of communication and everyone else used another, but they don't and we have to do detective work," he said.

"If you would let me use an analogy about how we operate. Think that we're in an enormous hay field trying to find needles. We're collecting hay from areas we can get access to that might have the needles we're looking for. When we get that haystack full of potential needles we're aware there will be plenty of hay that is from innocent people - we draw that information to get the needles, we don't touch the rest of the hay."

MI5's Parker argued though they would follow any new laws about how they collect data, increased transparency could further damage their ability to protect the country.

"The reason things are secret isn't because we embarrassed or scared to put them to the public, it's because we have to. If we make them public we can lose operational advantage. There will always be secrets. That's why the oversight mechanics are in secret," he said.

Lobban said the documents leaked by whistleblower Edward Snowden to the media have already hampered the agencies' ability to combat hostile groups.

"We have seen chat about specific terrorist groups discussing how to avoid what they now see as vulnerable communication methods. I am not happy compounding the damage by giving specific details in public. It's a direct consequence the cumulative of the media coverage will make the job far harder for years to come."

MI6's Sir Sawers supported Lobban's claim, saying, "The leaks from Snowden have been very damaging. our adversaries are rubbing their hands with glee. The alerting of targets and adversaries makes it more difficult to acquire the information they (our officers) need to defend this country."

Lobban said the development is troubling as the threat facing UK industry is growing. He said, "We're seeing attacks against the businesses that keep Britain going, things like communications, transport, healthcare and energy. We're seeing theft of intellectual property from over 20 industrial sectors." µ

 

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