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French police target an alleged 'cult' web site

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Wed Sep 28 2011, 11:39

CAPTAIN 'COCKROACH' of the French police apparently is on a mission to investigate the non-profit news archival, research and commentary web site Signs of the Times (SOTT) as an alleged 'cult'.

Madame Capitaine Blattes of the Toulouse Police Judiciaire has allegedly spent six months so far investigating SOTT, its founders and staff over an accusation that they are a 'cult' of esoteric religious nutcases, apocalyptic end-timers or worse.

SOTT said it has opened its books to the police and strongly denied involvement in any cult-like activities or practices, and has pointed out that everything it does is out in the open on the internet. However, the police investigation has continued.

Behind this looms the shadowy MIVILUDES, a French government agency. A video exposé of MIVILUDES is available.

France attempted to ban Scientology, but that effort didn't prevail. We hesitate to speculate why the provincial Police Judiciaire in Toulouse thinks that SOTT might be a so-called 'cult', when even Scientology is not considered to be a cult in France.

The INQUIRER emailed Mme Capitaine Blattes to ask her if she would confirm that there is an investigation of SOTT underway by the Police Judiciaire. We even translated our two sentence inquiry into French for her convenience, but we have not received any response.

SOTT is operated by an inoffensive Polish quantum physicist along with his American wife.

We asked SOTT if it wished to comment, and it sent us a statement, which reads in part:

"The founders and editors of SOTT are accused of being members of a 'cult'. We deny this accusation categorically. Everything that defines a cult is exactly what SOTT's founder and editors stand against, and the evidence for our position is available for all to read on the internet, going back years.

"The founders of SOTT.net and its editors do not have 'beliefs'. SOTT, in fact, encourages its editors, writers and visitors to question everything, believe nothing, do research, and think critically. SOTT is a project of the Quantum Future Group set up to support scientific research. SOTT's founders base their work on the scientific method - observation, analysis, testing where possible - and do not claim special access to Truth. SOTT works very hard to exclude errors from its data and we think that our work for the past nine years stands on its own merits."

We'll be watching how this unfortunate French soap opera proceeds to unfold.

But surely the French police must have better things to do. µ

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Conclusion...

http://zippittydodah.blogspot.com/2011/09/signs-of-times-in-crosshairs.html

This is a story of an extraordinarily ego-driven individual managing to create a research group, various websites, a number of self-published books and a smallish faction of voluntarily blinded devotées through a combination of cunning, boundless energy, highly aggressive and shameless pursuit of a thoroughly service-to-self agenda, a history of breathtaking plagiarism and a number of other things of a similar nature.

For those of us who have personally known Laura or have had direct contact with her, it simply does not ring true to classify what is happening to her and her group now in the manner of the innocent messenger just trying to selflessly inform the masses being unfairly attacked by those who hold the reigns of power. There may be elements of that involved in the mix, as I alluded to earlier but there is much more to the story than that.

Others who have commented here have pointed out that the original Cassiopaean channeled messages are quite noticeably different from the more recent offerings and they are right about that. There is a big difference there. The reason for this is that Laura took the efforts of others from many years ago and claimed them as her own, when in fact the original material did not result from anything that she was doing except for being present and painstakingly transcribing the recorded messages. Today's Cassiopaean stuff is so dramatically different in content that it is almost shocking that anyone would be unable to tell the difference unless they never bothered to look at the original material. And even so, much of the content in the allegedly "channeled"
material of today is so blatantly self-serving and boastful as to be comical. Perhaps it is synchronous that this is happening today in the same land where Louis XIV once stated with unremitting gall, "L'etat, c'est moi (I am the State)."

There are also those who claim that much of what Laura has written in recent years amounts to little more than a rehash of the published works of others with perhaps a little bit of her own two cents thrown in.

But what stands out more than anything else in the SOTT story is how so many truly innocent persons have been viciously attacked by them, usually either because they had a personal falling out with the SOTT leaders or because they dared to complain about other things, such as their work being pilfered without permission.

posted by : anonymous, 02 October 2011 Complain about this comment
?

Everyone will know ...
Censorship:
http://pastebin.com/L3wpggGU
Should I add your phone number?

posted by : dont-be-silly, 30 September 2011 Complain about this comment
scientific method

In a scientific method it does not publish only the results.
it is also demonstrating.
We describe the method of data collection and protocols of analysis.
Indicate a page where this is described in detail (not a statement of faith)... You can not, because it does not exist ... You are not only pseudo-scientific, you are scam artists hiding behind words rendered meaningless.

You say not to believe blindly in "the wave". Ok, so stop selling books with content only out of your imagination!
I note your habit of quoting many authors at the end of your works. Great! Unfortunately, these candidates competed all in the same category, that of deception.
Once I did a test, I took a few names at random from the list of authors ... Well, they all ended up in a mental asylum or suicide.
That's good fruit!

Obviously your confession of ignorance is confirming your original fraud.

posted by : lastchance, 30 September 2011 Complain about this comment
'Nough said

http://zippittydodah.blogspot.com/2011/09/signs-of-times-in-crosshairs.html

Good point about the channeling. It actually used to be different back in the 90s. Something that new fans to SOTT may not realize is that the "voice" of the channeling now is NOT the same as the "voice" that one sees when reading through transcripts from years back. It's so noticeably different in fact that I'm shocked that the long time readers haven't questioned it. Though I think that some may not want to question things because then they would have to admit that they've been had.

I actually do think the earlier channeling had validity, and I've sat in on a session so I'm in a place to be able to say that. The voice of whatever they were pulling through back then was a lot more serious and intellectual, dealing with issues that would be impossible for your average person to grasp. Even Laura couldn't grasp half of what they were talking about back then. It was high level stuff. But the recent stuff lacks any new mindbending insights and sounds *very* human (ie, lots of slang and informal human speech) and is extremely dumbed down in how they talk, and when you read the content so much of it seems to serve as a huge ego booster for Laura, reaffirming her importance. ("Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all?" Oh, you dear Laura! The world would completely fall apart were it not for you! You're the lone light on the entire planet and the only hope for Mankind! If you didn't exist all of spacetime would collapse!) As well as reaffirming to Laura who her so-called personal enemies are, some of whom are no such thing. These new C's seem to serve the sole purpose of telling Laura what she wants to hear. This has led me to conclude that the present day C's channeling is either completely faked and is generated from Laura's deluded mind, or, the group is pulling in some MAJOR entity imposters and nobody around Laura dares to question this. (probably for fear of being booted out of the chateau.)

posted by : jake, 30 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Pseudo Science

Because it cannot be tested or replicated and is a narcisstic messianic cult of doom like so many others.

http://transmitters_revenge.tripod.com/doomsday_list.html

posted by : fox, 30 September 2011 Complain about this comment
An observation

Word salad, OMG, with the usual cult buzz words thrown in:

Ad Hominem…critical thinking…scientific method…just word salad…empty.

It can’t be fun sitting at the SOTT PR desk. Damage control all day long. You are well known by now, give it up SOTT spokesperson.

http://zippittydodah.blogspot.com/2011/09/signs-of-times-in-crosshairs.html

Problem is, she and the group have made no move to make amends with some of the innocent people she/they decided to go after. In fact for some she continues to disparage them to this day, years later. Even though their target(s) may not be saying anything about her. And even though they may have proven her wrong ten times over. She won't let it go, and she doesn't admit to being wrong about a target. (Even when confronted and presented with proof for how she was wrong about somebody she will just ignore it and "skip over it." ) Too much ego going on there.

Your situation with her is a little different than what's happened to others it seems. I can understand why you might feel like you want to let bygones be bygones, but what I see is somebody who's behaved very badly towards a number of people out there. Targeting people first, disparaging people's reputations, trying to break up couples by trying to get one of them to believe that the other was an organic portal or "agent," etc. so maybe what we're seeing here is karma at work. That's how karma works after all. You go after others who are innocent and deliberately try to ruin lives, spreading discord and disharmony, inflicting harm and never apologizing or admit wrongdoing, then that eventually catches up to you. I'm not gloating about it necessarily, if anything I'm a little surprised as I was on the fence about the idea of karma. But lately too many groups and people who are clearly of the dark side, or who've been masquerading as good, are going down, and now it's got me going hmmm. Despite what I've witnessed of the people behind SOTT I still don't necessarily feel they're all evil or something. But they're not all good either. I think they started out with good intentions, but were compromised and/or they fell victim to their own egos. And now we're in a time period where masks are being forced off and people who've mislead large groups of people and/or knowingly hurt and targeted others are being dealt with.

Look closely at the work they do. There's a hefty price tag attached to most of it. That's one of the first indicators about where a person or group is really coming from.

I would probably feel like it's a shame if SOTT was forced off the 'net, as I do still find their site useful and interesting, one of the best out there in fact, but I wouldn't feel bad for the people involved. I've seen such bad behavior from them and a complete lack of remourse for any of it, so I for one will not be out there campaigning for them. They are a not a group I would be willing to stick my neck out for. I just feel ambivalent towards them.

posted by : mike, 30 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Definately Scientific...

I attempted to post this but for some reason it did did not go through, I try again...

gbm... "Ad Hominem" attack? Really? It does appear that you, and many, have only scratched the surface. To state that the content of the site has nothing to do with science only shows that you have not read the material, freely available I might add. And that makes your previous statements invalid.

Critical Thinking, and Scientific Method are not limited to those "that are otherwise known as good scientists". (you're sneaking in a little Ad Hominem yourself with that line).

Scientific Method - a method of procedure...consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing and modification of hypotheses...to be as objective as possible...to document, archive and share all data and methodology...This practice is called Full Disclosure...

This is the standard of inquiry, and the basis and foundation of research employed by the SOTT team and all that contribute. And is apparent if one would actually read the 'sister site' as you call it. The thousands of pages of archived documentation available to everyone and anyone on the internet.

And yes, thankfully, there are many accredited, knowledgeable and educated professionals that share their gifts. And they are not "otherwise known as good scientists", they ARE good scientists, they are well known in their professions.

But again, it is not necessary to be an 'otherwise good scientist' to be able to be wise, to use critical thinking and to apply scientific method. We are all capable of that, well, most of us anyway!!

posted by : OMG, 30 September 2011 Complain about this comment
@bob

Hey bob, it is quite obvious that you didn't read what I wrote carefully. Perhaps you were in a hurry and you got carried away by your emotions. Or perhaps you don't understand what the spirit of science is all about. It is about learning, through any means possible, and correcting what we think we know whenever we realize our mistakes. It is about having an open mind and not believing blindly in anything. Is that so difficult to understand?

Sott editors do not believe blindly in the 'wave', or aliens or the paranormal or whatever. They take them all as hypohteses and/or inspiration. It is only people who think 'in square boxes' who fail to see the subtleties of what they are saying. Things are not black and white only, you know?

Unsurprisingly, you also have not given much thought to the concept of proof. I'm sorry to say, but 'proof', as that thing that is supposed to provide us with absolute certainty, does not exist. Excepts, perhaps, for mathematics or abstract logic. Bit in the real world of people and things, you can only *know* through various degrees of probability. A simple example: Can I prove that I am not dreaming about writing this post instead of actually writing it? Or can you prove to me that you are an actual human being as opposed to a sophisticated computer program?

Please think carefully about these things before jumping into replying. Take your time; you may find them interesting and lots of fun too. :-)

posted by : Ape, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Scientific?

"It is, in fact, essentially scientific."

Is "The Wave" that's fast approaching also scientific?

Are the alien ships that are riding "The Wave" also scientific?

Are the comets that's going to decimate the planet also scientific?

Was your doom and gloom and fear mongering about Comet Elenin also based on science?

The more you speak the more it becomes evident that you should rather keep quiet.

Velikovsky and McCanney has been debunked by real scientists, with proof. Proof, that word you dislike so much.

You are just unable to let your con die, aren't you?

You should join forces with Harold Camping. You'll make a formidable team!

DOOM is big business ;)

posted by : bob, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Missing two points

Those people who run around crying 'cult' in the case of sott are missing two fundamental points. I find them so fundamental and obvious that it's hard for me to believe that these 'cult spotters' act sincerely and without any ill-intention.

First point. The sott editors and the creators of the cass website have always been very clear about their position in regards to knowledge. Be open to all subjects and all possibilities, be skeptic, look for evidence and rationally formulate hypotheses. Whether they sound strange to the average person is irrelevant for the purposes of knowledge; what matters is how likely the hypotheses are to be true or not. When finding new evidence, be prepared to change your hypotheses.

All of the above is the opposite of cultic mentality. It is, in fact, essentially scientific. Simple!

Second point. Even if sott's position could be described as 'cultic' (which it can't; see point one), they have committed no illegal act at all. So what's up with the witch-hunt? Why should the police investigate people just because it sounds to the fundie catholic police chief that they have weird ideas? Since when was having 'weird ideas' a crime?? (Weird according to whom anyway?)

If the sott editors had committed a real crime, the police would not need to be chasing them because of what they *think*. Think about it!

Now, if you really want to know more about this issue, I suggest you go and read this article:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/235550-Liberte-Egalite-Fraternite-or-French-Inquisition-

posted by : Ape, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
No evidence - period

There is no evidence to substantiate the cult accusation. It’s all lies. All their work is out in the open for anyone to read up on. All the attacks are slander and nothing else.

This latest attack against Sott is again all about spreading lies and disinformation, making sure that a group that is dedicated to searching for Truth is hindered in their work because this research threatens the pathologicals in power.

I don’t know any other group that works so hard to expose the lies around us. There’s nothing ‘cultic’ about sharing information. My deepest gratitude goes out to them.

posted by : Dan, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Best alternative news website on the net.

I've been reading Sott.net for several years and amongst the amazing learning it has given me, it has opened my mind to the barbaric injustices and corruption of our so called leaders. Not surprising this site is under attack from those who would rather churn out Mainstream crap and keep the wool over everyone's eyes. May the force be with you SOTT! - We need you!

posted by : Rich, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Interesting read

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14674&hilit=jadczyk

posted by : keith, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
@ braga

That doesn't make his observation about cults invalid.

Pity your research into Gurdjieff, Mouravieff and Castenada isn't so thorough..

;)

Or maybe it is, but that just opens up such a can of worms, doesn't it?

posted by : ben, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
@bill

Good try!

Keith Henson is an American electrical engineer and writer on life extension, cryonics, memetics and evolutionary psychology. ... Keith Henson was raised as an "army brat” attending seven schools before 7th grade. His father, Lt. Col. Howard W. Henson (1909–2001), was a decorated US Army officer who spent much of his career in Army Intelligence. (Wikipedia)

My name is Valerie Henson (now changed to Valerie Aurora). Keith Henson (full name, Howard Keith Henson, born 1942) is my biological father and a serial child molester. (http://valerieaurora.org/keith.html)

posted by : braga, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Cults

"People under the influence of cults is similar to that we observe in addicts. Typical behaviour for both includes draining bank accounts, neglecting children, destroying relations with family and losing interest in anything except the drug or cult."

~Keith Henson~

"The second is the structure and source of cults. They have always haunted me, and I wanted to explore the fundamental notion of giving up responsibility to an outside power."

~Katherine Dunn~

posted by : bill, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Don't stop

If you're going through hell, keep going. ~Winston Churchill

Go on SOTT !

posted by : braga, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
MY STATEMENT

I am a long time reader of SOTT.net

The founders and editors of SOTT are accused of being members of a 'cult'. I DENY THIS ACCUSSATION CATEGORICALLY. Everything that defines a cult is exactly what I stand against.

I DON'T HAVE 'BELIEFS', I QUESTION EVERYTHING, I BELIEVE NOTHING, I DO RESEARCH AND I THINK CRITICALLY.

posted by : Dariusz, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Sounds like a real witch hunt to me

It's funny, in a disturbing sort of way, to see comments here that are totally inline with the fascistic leanings of the French government. Apparently there is a lot of public support for a government witch hunt against clearly innocent people. Does anyone give any credence to the idea that, if we value freedom for ourselves, we must defend it for everyone.

posted by : Pepe, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Case in point

1) The appearance of the paid trolls anywhere LKJ is mentioned on the internet is evidence of a planned and deliberate cyberwar. That they repeat the same twisted, filthy lies is further evidence of their coordination.

3) That there IS a coordinated war waged on LKJ is evidence that she must be a really scary person in the eyes/mind of the PTB.

3) What is the reason for that? That she does real research and publishes it for free? What are the topics that scare the PTB most? Obviously, that LKJ was among the first alternative writers to point out the problems of psychopathology in power AND published "Political Ponerology". And now, LKJ has exposed the diet and health scam that the PTB have run on the whole world for years in an effort to aid the takeover by the NWO.

4) IF there were a single shred of evidence of ANY of the claims of the trolls and defamers, LKJ would have been in jail long ago.

5) If there was a single shred of evidence of wrongdoing NOW, the French police would have already charged her instead of spending the last six months trying to find one single thing to hold against her.

6) That there is no evidence whatsoever to bring charges - and never has been - is, itself, evidence that the defamations and wild claims by trolls are false.

7) That the troll persist in their attacks and defamations, with NO evidence either coming from them OR available to law enforcement organizations, brings us back to point #1: that the trolls MUST be paid agents and staying on the alert for any positive news about LKJ and swooping in to search and destroy is their job. That is, anyone who attacks her without posting their real name, their real contact details, their REAL EVIDENCE, is just a paid troll. Which leads to the obvious:

8) LKJ must be REALLY onto the Truth if there is such a concerted effort to destroy her as there has been for years.

Think about it.

posted by : Bonnee, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
@ Tom

Due to your inability to speak the truth, just leave it over to the authorities.

Funny you mention evidence, there is no lack of that.

Have a great day :)

posted by : mickey, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
When is a delusion an X-file?

This, mickey, is apparently the product of a dissociative disorder, a kind of fugue state where the individual is traumatised to the point that they are, or protest that they are, averse to normality.

I hope she can find some glimmer of rationality before its too late, because the ideation is suicidal, which is not unusual in cases of abuse.

The problem being others associated with the cult who might cynically manipulate events to their benefit as some suspect was the case with The Cult of the Solar Temple where mass suicide was arranged by someone who cashed in on the groups finances once the group itself was dead and gone. A type of confidence trick but not really as charming as The Sting.

posted by : fox, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Mickey Mouse

One of the most common characteristics of the authoritarian person is an inability to control or moderate his or her reaction to being confronted by cognitive dissonance. The need to attack the offending agent of dissonance, by any and every means to hand, makes such a person overwhelmingly intemperate and intolerant and gives the game away. ~ - Richard Milton, "Alternative Science"

posted by : Bonnee, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
@ "Micky"

No I didn't miss it.

What I do miss is where on that link there is evidence that sott.net or it's founders have broken up relationships for personal gain, or plagiarised other peoples work.

The only thing I found was lies, and that someone points out that one of the theory's sott holds as possible regarding 9/11, is promoted by someone else, which validates rather harms their own work.

"Jesus, is there an existing diagnosis for your condition?"

Yeah, it's called "motivated to act against people who spread lies."

"Please identify any lies."

The link takes you to a forum where people just accuse the members of sott of being a cult. I would need a full webpage to point out all the lies.

The onus isn't on me to prove what you're saying is a lie, because people who aren't bothered about the truth will just believe you out of laziness, and people who ARE bothered about the truth will go to sott.net and read that facts of the matter.

I'm open to the idea that you've just read the lies about the sott team and been taken in by them, like others have. You're entitled to believe whatever you want. But don't expect to be able to spread this filth without being asked to provide ACTUAL PROOF.

If that link is what you call proof, then you must either be really gullible, or have a seriously low opinion of the I.Q. of others.

posted by : Tom, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Evidence

""I will never be able to break up couples and families for personal gain..."

Evidence please. For ex, why not directly ASK the woman REPORTED to the French police by her pervert ex her OPINION about it all, instead of spitting out disinfo, lies and defamation spread by others? Or do you think she's too brainwashed and "mentally fragile" - like the majority of French pple, acc. to anti-cult minions - to think for herself? Maybe you think Cass forum members should spend a little time in a reeducation center for "thought crime" or "thinking differently"?

posted by : R., 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
truth=

what business is it of anybody what grown adults do? you do realise that there are people that enjoy being repeatedly screwed by several people at the same time? i find that gross, but it's not illegal. they can go ahead and do that. if somebody on a forum can convince you of ANYTHING, THAT'S ON YOU! people need to take responsibility for their own actions. catholicism is a cult, no question. ALL religions are. these are catholic stooges. and to all you detractors who would think i'm defending sott, let me tell you, i think they are going about it all wrong. they do, indeed, chastise people for questioning them on the forum. but, who cares? we could find thousands of offensive, stupid websites with WAY more members. the point is, they are entitled to do whatever they like. they could straight up lie about everything. that ain't illegal. i would suggest that laura, et al. mind their own business and stop even talking about their forum members' personal lives. just some advice.

posted by : meanwhilebacklash, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
@ "Micky"

"I will never be able to break up couples and families for personal gain..."

Please post your evidence that this is the case with sott, rather than just playing on peoples emotions... oh sorry, forgot, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE BECAUSE YOU'RE LYING.

"I will never be able to plagiarize other people's work."

Please post your evidence that this is the case with sott, rather than just playing on peoples emotions... oh sorry, forgot, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE BECAUSE YOU'RE LYING.

For anyone else new to this story and who doesn't know anything about sott.net and it's founders and editors, demand proof of wrongdoing, I mean just ONE example, before you take the word of a slanderer who you've never seen and know nothing about.

It's quite probable that innocent people are going to have to spend time behind bars before the French police drop this circus. These are people who spend their time reading and researching, trying to find out facts and truths about all areas of life on Earth.

That is their crime - a crime against the religions that dominate our cultures with their teachings of "don't think or ask questions; hand your will over to our belief system and you won't burn for eternity... and give us your money too."

posted by : Tom, 29 September 2011 Complain about this comment
@ Bonnee

Bonnee said: "You say "your kind" as if in tacit acknowledgment that there is something different about YOU."

Oh I am pretty sure "there is something different about ME". I will never be able to con people the way you do, and sleep at night...

I will never be able to break up couples and families for personal gain...

I will never be able to plagiarize other people's work.

You catch my drift...

...and I am not "Jean".

Nice try though, as if "Jean" is your first and only victim...

posted by : mickey, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Mickey, Mickey, Mickey!

You say "your kind" as if in tacit acknowledgment that there is something different about YOU. This follows an almost rage-filled spewing of lies and complaint as though you have been personally affected. Is it possible that you are "Jean", the ex-partner of the woman at the center of the case?

posted by : Bonnee, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
It's not a cult

Been reading the signs page since 2003. It's a great website, which watches the goings on in the world very carefully. There is nothing cult about the news and information shared, nor on the forum where things -personal and otherwise- are discussed.

While some may argue there is little science discussed, there is. It's human science. The science(s) of knowing oneself, honor, honesty, integrity and higher human values. The things we as a species generally strive, hope and wish for in our quest for a better world.

It's really sad the French government feels threatened by nothing.

posted by : Unmentioned, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Amazing Coincidence!

Fletcher, what part of "it's an experiment, not to be taken as the truth, but merely noted and data collected" do you not understand?

What is utterly amazing to me is how there is always a whole gang of defamers/trolls at the ready whenever a single article about LKJ and her work appears anywhere on the net. It's like they have some kind of special sensor - like maybe google alerts and a paycheck to motivate them. Cheney did fund the pentagon with billions to engage in cyberwarfare and certainly we expect Truth to be the main target.

Of all the websites I visit, I can say without reserve that the SOTT team works harder to analyze and get as close to the truth as possible than any other source on the web. Just scroll through their Focus category and read. If you aren't impressed with the care taken to collect data and think, then I feel sorry for you. A twisted mind is a terrible thing to live with.

BTW, SOTT has additional info on this case posted that is well worth reading for insight.

posted by : Bonnee, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Absurd

The posters continuing to call SOTT "a cult" would do well to revisit the definition of that word.

posted by : PT, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Defamation?!

Jason wrote: "There are a number of people who seem to have devoted their lives to spreading lies and defamation about this group."

Truth is not defamatory.

posted by : whiteknight, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
One other thing.

Using a ouija board as a scientific research tool is only one small part of what goes on over there. It is an experiment (and a most interesting one at that, if you would take the time to read about it, rather than continuing baseless attacks that do not support the 'cult' claim whatsoever) and everyone is encouraged to strongly question any information that comes from that method - it is by no means meant to be believed on its own. And that is pretty clearly stated.

Why should that be of concern to anyone?

posted by : Jason, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Gurdjieff et al

The truthaction discussion also has some revelations about Gurdjieff, Mouravieff and Castaneda (5th post from the top):

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2434&start=210

posted by : morpheus, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Long time SOTT reader

I've been reading the news posted on the SOTT website for close to 10 years now. In that time, I have also read some of the material available on cassiopaea.org, and have had many discussions with the diverse international group of researchers that meet on the forums there.

In that span of time, I've not ever seen one iota of credible evidence against this group, and I am one of the more skeptical people out there.

What I have seen, however, are serious efforts from all directions attempting to disrupt and destroy the work and research and experimentation being conducted by this group. Not to mention the censorship and ongoing harassment, seemingly coming from all angles, but with a single purpose.

There are a number of people who seem to have devoted their lives to spreading lies and defamation about this group. As has been said, everything this group does is out there in the public for everyone to view, read, and form their own opinions. There is nothing held back. All accusations made against this group have proven to be unfounded, every time, and complete transcripts of all conversations and incidents can be found on the sites. All of the 'accusers' however continue to push only their own greatly skewed side of the story, even after being proven wrong, in further attempts to stop the work going on there. This is not new, but this particular situations stretches the boundaries of insanity to whole new levels.

The case in point that the article refers to (click the link at the end of the article to read the whole story): A woman was being abused by her husband. After seeking advice, and discussing her horrid situation at length, she independently chose to end the pathologically destructive relationship. The husband freaked out, and joined forces with the very few people destined to bring down this group that 'tells it like it is.'

The husband filed complaints, starting the investigation. And for months, the police refused to even interview the woman involved for her side of the story! Refused to talk to her! She also tries to take legal action against her abuser, and is ignored! SOTT submits evidence, and opens the books - but the investigation team will not even open it!

I'm a pretty laid back guy, but there is without question some serious injustice going on here, and the precedent being set is one that ought to concern everyone, in my opinion. Once telling the truth becomes illegal, there's no going back...

posted by : Jason, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Not a cult, eh?

Ouija board session - 11 June 2011:

Q: (Laura) So, there's no chance for a positive outcome without me, and yet my death would ensure their total destruction.

A: And all else!

Q: (Perceval) Maybe it's got something to do with balance, ya know? The universe wanting balance. There's a higher power in the universe that allows things to play out as long as there's some kind of balance. But if you weren't here, then this world would be a completely dark, negative star, and there'd be some mechanism that would destroy it and everything associated with it.

A: Yes.

Q: (Laura) That's really depressing though to think that we ARE the only balancing energy... out of 7 billion people on the planet?! (Perceval) The only reason that the whole thing hasn't already gone up in smoke is because some few people are making an effort. It's rather magnanimous of the universe to consider such a small group of people.

.....

posted by : flex, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Indeed

sariade wrote: "There's a hell of a lot of financial resources going to this pretty miniscule group. I mean wiretaps, bank record snooping, and eight-hour interviews are not cheap."

Yes, that should give you a little clue ;)

Wakey-wakey!.....

posted by : apollo, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Bravo

MBC and DDD, you've pretty well summed it.

gbm, how do you feel about the fact that MIVILUDES seems to think you are "fragile in mind" and believes that reading the content of SOTT (or associated) pages poses a grave danger to the mental health of all French citizens who are, according to them, cannot think for themselves? Are you happy to have them think for you?

witchfinder, you obviously read nothing but the title of the site. The articles are in-depth and foot-noted for anyone who cares to check the sources. Would you recognise scholarly research if it bit you on the nose?

ning, truthaction is still going on about ten-year-old lies that have been refuted over and over. Info here:
http://cassiopaea-cult.com/
if you're willing to cite truthaction, are you willing to research the rebuttals?

The point is, why are the French authorities so hysterical about a group of people who have common research interests and share them with other interested people *freely and openly* on the net. There's a hell of a lot of financial resources going to this pretty miniscule group. I mean wiretaps, bank record snooping, and eight-hour interviews are not cheap. Yet when offered all the information the police could possibly ask for (8kg of docs), they didn't accept any of it.

Doesn't that seem odd to you? Like they've already made up their mind and are desperately searching for any scrap of info they can twist to fit the outcome they're looking for? Problem is, there isn't anything to twist, and it's driving them crazy.

posted by : sariade, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
the faster the better

As a French citizen, I really don't understand the legal proceedings against SOTT, it must surely be a mistake. MIVILUDES and the French police must have certainly other more urgent cases. All my encouragement to members of the board of SOTT, and all this becomes quickly becoming a sad thing of the past, without further consequences.

posted by : oc, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Well done French Police!!!

"But surely the French police must have better things to do."

Translate: Oh shit, they are onto us!

posted by : nancy, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Superluminal communication!?

And I quote

"Messages from Cassiopaea, consisting of experimental sessions in superluminal communication conducted by Laura Knight Jadczyk"

Oh!

Not a cult then, lolz.

I can see why Madame L'inspecteur Naquer du Yard might be interested in investigating further unreported activities. Given Jonestown and the cult of the solar temple etc, which kind of thing is historically about fleecing gullible rich people and then getting rid of them or rather getting them to get rid of themselves.

Its amazing what people will believe.

posted by : witchfinder generic, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Stop lying

MBC says: "So without a grain of evidence"

MBC, I think you should rethink that comment of yours....

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2434

posted by : ning, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
to the point

Well DDD, thanks for the ad hominem attack. All I was pointing is that the content of the site, or rather of a site that is clearly a sister site of sott.net, clearly has nothing to do with science, but rather with things such as "The Grail Quest and the Destiny of Man", more related to cult and beliefs than science ; given their emphasis on scientific method stated in the article, this is a bit surprising.
Granted, the content may have been written by people that are otherwise known as good scientists; this does not make the previous remark invalid.

posted by : gbm, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
And Fishy you look like a flat fish to me!

Congratulations to the Inquirer for having the commonsense to spot this absurd and outrageous hounding of the SOTT editorial team by the Toulouse authorities and call it for what it is. Gbm next time you post why not do some more thorough and objective research first, especially into the nature of your own mind and how it is programmed and conditioned to operate as a tool of the status quo; then you might have something of value to offer apart from your wilfully lazy comments! You talk about ‘actual science’; I suggest you might start out by exploring the manner in which western science has become the new religion, (a cult you might say), damning as heretics all unwilling to fit into the narrow parameters of its restrictive and mechanistic mindset whilst simultaneously embracing the corruption of its objectivity by allowing itself to become a tool of global corporations and other vested interest groups. SOTT is not a cult period, but an independent, free thinking RESEARCH TEAM!! Cults are authoritarian and controlling, invariably ‘religious’ by nature and espouse restrictive doctrines that must be adhered to by individuals who are often coerced into subsuming their individuality into the so called greater body. The SOTT team is not only one of the very last vestiges of objective, free thinking left on this planet but they have strenuously and repeatedly advised all those who freely chose to engage with the challenging materials they present, to think for themselves, to do their own research and to take absolutely nothing on face value, including the material they publically provide – free of charge by the way! The purpose of SOTT is to free minds, not enslave them! No, this is just another case of the sad norm; the thought police sees a threat (because anyone seeking objective understanding of our reality at this time is a real danger to the systematic and deliberate dumbing down and suppression of truth by means of the great lie) and so they seek to remove it by the tried and tested means of contamination by suggestion. The use of the phrase ‘cult’ immediately taints and sets up the innocent victim for persecution. We have been programmed to respond to that word accordingly, whilst allowing actual mass cults (i.e. Christianity) to flourish in our midsts! So without a grain of evidence, indeed with all evidence to the contrary, the damage is still done. As Laura Knight-Jadczyk has noted, she has always taken heavy flack for her research – on hyper dimensional realities, on the cyclical catastrophes which have shaped our world, on the manipulation of our historical and metaphysical knowledge by vested interest, for her precise and damning exploration of the lies behind Judaeo-Christian religion, man made global warming, 9-11, etc, etc, – but nothing has brought her more trouble than her work in revealing the take over of our world’s socio, political and economic resources by psychopathological elites. For pointing out the parlous state of our condition (which more and more experts are supporting), as the 94% of us suffer at the hands of the 6%, as she has repeatedly warned of the vicious and corrosive agendas of these human hybrids, so have the threats and the harassments increased in their severity. Look about the world; look at the pathological cults that get away with it on a massive scale (the Catholic Church being one of the biggest) and then think about the targeting of this small group. Now doesn’t that tell you something?

posted by : MBC, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
Fishy?

gbm, since you just scratched the surface, you really have no idea of which you speak. The sott.net site is just postings of media news, with commentary. Hardly a basis for your denigration their scientific principle. The physicist referred to in the article is Dr Arkadiusz Jadczyk, a tenured professor at Wroclaw University. He is invited to regularly speak at prestigious international physics conferences and has worked at CERN, also by invitation. Your assessment of this article shows the intellectual depth of a birdbath.

posted by : DDD, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
looks fishy to me

As a French citizen (thinking that the MIDILUVE does a good work more often than not) I felt concerned that this case would indeed be an harassment example. I went to sott.net and two clicks afterwards I was there: http://cassiopaea.org/
I have no opinion about sott being a 'cult' or a bunch of weirdos or anything else, but this wesite certainly does not have much to do with actual science. And the argument about scientific method is more often used by conspiracists of various kinds than, well, by actual scientists.

posted by : gbm, 28 September 2011 Complain about this comment
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