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IP geolocation specialist says an IP address doesn't identify a person

Far from pinpoint accuracy for the media content cartel clowns
Wed Jun 22 2011, 17:57

IP GEOLOCATION OUTFIT Quova has said that tracking individuals on the internet "does not provide a good return".

Marie Alexander, president and CEO of Quova, a firm that supplies internet protocol (IP) address geolocation data to firms such as the BBC, Facebook, Ladbrokes, Major League Baseball, Symantec and Sega said that IP geolocation is far less intrusive than other means of tracking user location and behaviour such as cookies. Even as one of the largest firms in the IP geolocation market, Quova still says that narrowing a user's location down to a postal or zip code is unreliable.

Perhaps the most intriguing comment made by Alexander was that Quova's research and data collection have shown that a single IP address does not identify an individual person. Alexander told The INQUIRER that in Quova's database, fed by up to 11 years of measurements, there is nothing that links a single identifiable person to an IP address and that the business of IP geolocation is not about tracking people but IP addresses.

Alexander said that Quora's IP database shows that mapping a single IP to a person is unreliable as there is a drift rate for IP addresses. Using BT as an example, Alexander said that the telecoms operator could reassign the same IP address to any part of its network at any time. So even providing a postal code for that IP can be tricky, let alone mapping it to a single person.

As more web browsers implement 'do not track' features, and greater regulation of cookies and what companies can track comes into effect, IP geolocation is set to become a fallback for internet advertisers, which Alexander said some web sites are already doing with their cookies. Asked whether tighter regulation of cookies can help Quova's IP geolocation business, Alexander said, "It would be of some help but not a lot."

So just how accurate can Quova, the firm that supplies some of the biggest web sites around, track IP addresses to locations? Alexander's answer might surprise many, as she said that with its highest degree of accuracy her outfit can pinpoint someone to a 20-30 mile radius, basically within a metropolitan area. Given that some people allow applications to poll GPS latitude and longitude coordinates in certain applications, IP geolocation seems unable to defeat relative anonymity.

Depending on the connection type and country, the resolution could come down to the DSLAM in the exchange, but that still leaves a four to five mile radius, according to Alexander, but she added that "at that level there is a high frequency of change" in IP addresses and that's not even taking into account the existence of network address translation.

Alexander's comments regarding the relatively coarse-grained resolution of IP address geolocation might comfort some privacy advocates, but the admission, by a company which makes money by providing "IP intelligence", that a single IP address does not equal a person is likely to have filesharers interested to learn more, if they should ever receive threatening letters from lawyers representing the big media cartels. µ

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Exactly... I mean not exactly.

My work places me thousands of km away, my mobile connection places me thousands of km away, my home DSL nails the exact address.

posted by : JeffyPooh, 23 June 2011 Complain about this comment
More than worthless

"In Europe you won't get much further than a country."

... and not always even that. I'm sitting at work in the UK but as my internet connection goes via a corporate WAN to our internet gateway in France I often get adverts in French (well, ones that AdBlock doesn't deal with!) and other "intelligent" sites redirect me to their .fr version. And the worst is the BBC who deem that I'm a foreigner only worthy of seeing the "world" version of their news site etc

posted by : David, 23 June 2011 Complain about this comment
Worthless....

In Europe you won't get much further then a country.
If they track me they end up 120km from where I am :-)
And if you use a mobile phone it's even worse then that.
If you forget proxies, as those hide you forever if you want....LOL

posted by : Bas, 23 June 2011 Complain about this comment
Expert not needed

Do they really need an expert to tell them this? Seriously even the courts have started to catch onto this fact.

I mean even ignoring the issue of NAT there is still the fact that without access to the isp's records for ip leasing at best you can only trace the ip back to the distribution node the customer is connected to which tend to have a range of at least a mile and half on even the crappiest of networks. In otherwords even at the absolute best of times when tracing an active connection you're looking at minimum 7 square miles of possible people. Now granted if the connection is active they could attempt to hack it in order to find info on who it belongs to but last I looked that was still illegal.

posted by : Tim, 23 June 2011 Complain about this comment
I can confirm that

Facebook uses geolocation to "tailor" ads to the viewer. I live in Oregon, near Portland. I get ads for the San Diego, California area. *NOT ONCE* have I gotten one for a business near where I live. This is on standard desktop systems, not portables.

That's 930 miles/1500 km.

And as repatch points out, I'm hardly unique.

posted by : Morely the IT Guy, 22 June 2011 Complain about this comment
NAT Kills all

"that's not even taking into account the existence of network address translation"

Exactly. More and more people are using the web over smartphones/tablets/etc. Most of these devices, when on 3G/LTE are actually behind a NAT. You geolocate my IP and it shows a location 2000miles away from where I'm actually at.

posted by : repatch, 22 June 2011 Complain about this comment
Whahuh?

Don't the ISP's have a log of IP, User, time?

Or is it that the IP shown doesn't necessarily indicate the IP of the user?

Am I the only one completely miffed by this, with an IP address being essential to distinquish between individual clients on a network?

posted by : iSE, 22 June 2011 Complain about this comment
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