
We're not in a hole. A lot of companies would like to be in our hole - Scott 'touch'n'feely' McNealy
AS SURE as night follows day, Internet hacktivist group Anonymous made good on its threats and started its campaign against Sony.
Earlier this week, Anonymous publicly called out Sony over its handling of Playstation hacker George Hotz, better known by his Internet handle geohot. At the time Anonymous didn't mention who or what it would be targeting, but some obvious and very public targets have already been hit.
Anonymous claims it has successfully carried out a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack on Playstation.com, the Playstation store and the Playstation Network. However a hardcore splinter faction of Anonymous has also emerged with plans to go after Sony executives, employees and their families.
Previously Anonymous had focused on companies rather than individuals, although ACS Law's founder Andrew Crossley and HBGary Federal CEO Aaron Barr were personally tormented by the group. However the Anonymous offshoot calling itself Sony Recon is targeting not only high-ranking Sony employees but wants to gather information on their families.
One report claims that the Sony Recon group has published private details regarding Robert Wiesenthal, a group executive of Sony Corporation. It also claims that one Anonymous member asked, "No one found ANY info on Stringers kids?", referring to Sony CEO Howard Stringer.
Aside from Sony websites, the Anonymous also took down the website of the law firm handling Sony's Playstation jailbreaking lawsuit against Hotz.
Sony was not willing to say whether downtime on the Playstation Network was due to actions by Anonymous, simply providing The INQUIRER a boilerplate answer of "We are currently investigating issues with PlayStation Network, our engineers are working to restore and maintain the services, and we appreciate our customers' continued support."
Sony would not comment that Playstation.com had been knocked offline by Anonymous and whether it is taking any further precautions to protect its employees and their families.
Few will have much sympathy for Sony after its treatment of Hotz and its attempts to suppress publicly available information and those who want to view it. However, going after the families of Sony employees might be seen by some as going a step too far. µ
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I personnally wouldnt lay blame with anyone in particuler as i feel all partys involved are to blame,if sony had secured everything in the first place then theoreticly there wouldnt of been all these loopholes in the system for hackers and consumers to exploit! What i dont understand is why they are keeping the network down? Surley all the people working for sony could have it all sorted in a few days and start the online play side of things back up and continue to work on the rest of the system! From what i gather they are moveing the servers as well as doing all the other work and upgrades and i personnally think they have took this oportunity to do a total system upgrade ready for the next generation gaming system(ps4 maybe?) the last system was built to a tight timeframe and by the looks of it several basic things were took for granted and overlooked. All i can say is sony are going to of learnt from this and will probably end up with the best sytem going for that reason alone im sticking with them! All these people that say im selling my ps3 and going 360,i say good luck to you,your obviosly the whingeing little idiots that through paddys and give people abuse online,psn will be better without you!
I personnally wouldnt lay blame with anyone in particuler as i feel all partys involved are to blame,if sony had secured everything in the first place then theoreticly there wouldnt of been all these loopholes in the system for hackers and consumers to exploit! What i dont understand is why they are keeping the network down? Surley all the people working for sony could have it all sorted in a few days and start the online play side of things back up and continue to work on the rest of the system! From what i gather they are moveing the servers as well as doing all the other work and upgrades and i personnally think they have took this oportunity to do a total system upgrade ready for the next generation gaming system(ps4 maybe?) the last system was built to a tight timeframe and by the looks of it several basic things were took for granted and overlooked. All i can say is sony are going to of learnt from this and will probably end up with the best sytem going for that reason alone im sticking with them! All these people that say im selling my ps3 and going 360,i say good luck to you,your obviosly the whingeing little idiots that through paddys and give people abuse online,psn will be better without you!
If It wasn't for hackers people that are complaining - your rights would be stripped away - we look at this as malice and yet when Sony invades your privacy your jumping on the hackers for defending you - Like all of Big corp they want it all and will do anything behind your backs to get it "WAKE UP PEOPLE" don't forget Sony took your network down not Anon - we need more Anon's to keep the Balance between manufacturer and consumer's rights as a whole - Anon is doing what most don't have the balls to do so thank them instead of attacking them - Sony and to all big Corp be aware this will never be the end and we will support any1 who will back us up as a paying consumer - I don't mind the down time for a good cause! - keep it up Anon you got my support thank you for looking out for us all !
Omg, the xbox got hacked in 2007 was down for like 11 days.
When you dont do research before you are saying shit like that, you must be completly retarded...
And 4 u who said that Anonymous didnt hack psn... you are also failing, because the 2 first days is where down it was Anon's work.
Thay send them a warning before they did it.. It is only Sony's fault and you should complain at theyres blocks and defense programs didnt even approve the systems when they got the message from Anon. And now when the fired employee are owning sony at computers they should just admit theyres fault's.
Omg, the xbox got hacked in 2007 was down for like 11 days.
When you dont do research before you are saying shit like that, you must be completly retarded...
And 4 u who said that Anonymous didnt hack psn... you are also failing, because the 2 first days is where down it was Anon's work.
Thay send them a warning before they did it.. It is only Sony's fault and you should complain at theyres blocks and defense programs didnt even approve the systems when they got the message from Anon. And now when the fired employee are owning sony at computers they should just admit theyres fault's.
Let's not forget that it was Sony that installed rootkits on thousands of PCs via purposefully infected audio CDs.
What goes around comes around :-)
Hopefully Sony will begin to respect the customer instead of screwing them.
Sucked the f*%k in Sony. You went too far. Loading MY ps3 with DRM Cinavia so I cant play MY backups of MY blue rays. WDTV streamer doesn't have this so why does MY ps3? You have no right to infringe on my legal right to make back ups by infesting my ps3 with this Cinavia. Good to see someone is delivering some revenge to these nazi corperate giants. Love it. You reap what you sew sony, enjoy it.
Dang that sucks PSN is down. It's good thing I have Xbox live. Have fun playing offline for a while.
I don't understand y diz group would want to hack psn shutdown and given threats serious these ppl need to get a life instead of hackin bunch of cunts
Dont blame the hackers blame sony. I have one of the first 60gb ps3s which i got the day it was released,when i brought this i was under the illusion that it one of the most secure gameing/media devices available??? If this is the case how is it KIDS have managed to do the stuff SONY said would be impossible. It was obvios from the start of the ps3 that SONYs arrogance would encourage people to try beat there system,now that they have SONY look stupid and incompotent. I say good for the hackers for exposing this weakness and good luck to SONY in building a STRONGER SYSTEM!
@redcell OKAY RED CELL OKAY...GOOD FOR YOU!
Essentially international governments have paid Sony to shut down PSN so kids on their school holidays can't play Black Ops and do some study..... SO FUCK YOU SONY, I WANT TO PLAY BLACK OPS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, playstation network, I want you to make hacking apsalutely illegal. It started fine and people loved it, but now people are pissed off and you guys aren't making money, so for the sake of ps network and all the games, try to make hacking illegal
Congratulations.. This group called "anonymous or Sony recon" just a bunch of low life deusche bags. Instead of using there skills and talents to do childish acts, why don't they get real jobs and get paid legitimately for what they do best. Instead for regular people like myself that enjoy coming home from a ling day of work and talk and play games with my international friends on playstation network . These people have ruined it for me. And quite inconveniencing. Instead of being hated by half of the world that plays online through playstation. Make the servers better and use your skills I bet with some good ideas on networking and firewall safety these people could make millions. And wouldn't have to hide behind anonymous and could be proud of there real names. And be legends in the networking communities. But for now no one knows who you are and iinstead I just hate you.
I think it is going abit to far going after people's families. They r not the one's who work for the company. I think it is all abit to childish myself. it goes beyond a point when u affect other people's lives.
All I can say about these fags is that I wish that I knew who they were so that I could kick the shit out of them. If they had lives, or could find girlfriends, or at least didn't have their favorite kiddie porn site taken down then they wouldn't have time to do this. These douche bags need to grow up and get a life.
I support anonymous and any splinter cell stemming from the original anonymous. & @ geonotz...ddos attacks are some of the most advanced attacks available to blocking access to websites, plus, technically, not illegal. Depending on how the traffic was sent to the server, depends on the legality. There's nothing illegal about pinging a server. If a ddos was so highschool, then please, by all means, fix the ps network please. All of you are so advanced, so knowledgable...why aren't you all employed by Sony? Cmon now, if someone stole your civil liberties, would you, or would you not, defend yourself and your right? Stop complaining and wait for others to fix this problem for you. I think that Sony messed up something royal, and is now taking the easy route out by blaming anonymous. Not the first time it's happened. I have even read reports that the psn went down when the amazon cloud went down. It's all here say designed to be dis informative and misleading. Anonymous was proud of their few hour long ddos. Would they not be epicly pleased at 5 days quickly approaching 6? Just relax and grow up.
Look i am not up to date in the facts of what sony did wrong... but learn from history, learn to protest, come together, and change things legally. Doing this illegal shit will not help the hackers make their points. It will end the in a cell with buba making them squeal like a piggy
Its simple: if you want a product, buy it, if not, don't. Don't hack into the system attempting to destroy it for everyone. If you don't want it, DON'T USE IT! What happened to peaceful types of protest? These damn spoiled little brats who feel they're entitled to anything and everything, hiding in a damn basement behind a screen somewhere need a reality check. Going after children is OVER THE LINE! Who the hell do they think they are?! I hope they get bent over and are made to take it up the ass. Stupid shit heads! For me, it's not about wether I can game online or not. We had a gathering at a friend's house last night for a Mortal Kombat tournament. It's about their lack of morals and outright hissy fit. Grow a set and act like adults. Or should we put you in diapers and sit you in the corner for time out?
Does anyone know when the network is back on for the UK?
Does anyone know when the network is back on for the UK?
Does anyone know when the network is back on for the UK?
Anonymous, my mind isn't boggled, because I know you guys aren't entirely villains. Fact of the matter is, Anonymous is not a collective whole and you guys admit to this. You guys have tampered with Sony before, so that may be why they are putting the blame on you guys. What's not to say that a random member of Anonymous sent DDoS, without notifying other members? I type this because there have been recent videos floating around, which are from Anonymous, and states that the legion of Anonymous did not like the rights of users being infringed, since Sony was getting personal information due to the views that Geohot was receiving about the keys.
Would that not within itself create probable cause to go after Sony and its network infrastructure, or did Geohot simply allow Fail0verflow to do its bidding on the network, due to the lawsuit, which was ultimately settled. You guys are throwing mixed signals, that's what I'm getting to. In you guys' eyes, some rights were violated, and since Anonymous focuses mainly on political issues worldwide, this would be enough probable cause to create the problem.
I posted below you if you go through what has been said previously Anonymous as a legion have not attacked PSN instead went for the websites and store etc isn't it strange how Sony have not released any statement..
Instead have aloud for your own minds to boggle and that is aimed at anonymous very clever sony but we dont forgive and we don't forget you should have expected us.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." -Mahatma Gandhi. Anonymous, as revolutionaries now, learn from past examples of the greats. Violence is necessary during times of deceit sometimes, but vengeance is not the answer. The contributions to wikileaks are exposing governments, so keep at it. Do things the right way and try not to follow the path that all the crooks do. The sins of the father, should not be blamed on their children and families.
I understand where you guys are coming from, but if you guys really want to fight corporate corruption, why not go after other huge players like GE, for example? They pay no taxes and get billions of dollars in tax refunds. I don't like how Sony was getting and requesting info from youtube and paypal, but this shutting down of the entire network just made millions of people angry worldwide. I believe this was more Fail0verflow's doing, since that's the group that geohot runs with.
Anonymous have apparently become political and are putting their efforts as freedom fighters, online and offline. You guys have to go to the bigger sources of the problem though. If consumers don't want to be ripped off by Sony, just don't buy their products. Go after the major players, but don't infringe on the rights of the innocent, since they have nothing to do with any of this. That applies to the families of Sony employees. That's the wrong way to approach any of this and will result in a huge backlash from regular people and other hackers, who will believe that an ethical line has been deliberately passed.
Geohot should have never released the keys to the PS3. He has nothing to gain as an individual in doing so and only tarnishes the console, and company in the long run. If he were the business owner and it was his company's product being exposed for the world to see, he would cry foul as well. If he wants to benefit society and the world as a whole, he should use his brains (same for other hackers) and invent something great, not destroy someone else's hard work. There is nothing ethical about any of this.
Anonymous is a Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. You should have expected us.
Gaining information of the big bosses is exactly the same as gaining information on all that have visited geohot's site..
An eye for an eye.
I've read several comments. The anonymous group people are just sick bastards. Thousand's of people look forward to play playstation network. All these bastards want is revenge. They hacked MW2 and was sued by Sony. They decided to hack Sony and now the servers are down. They aren't the only ones who can hack. If anyone is willing to help please start. I know someone can track them down. The fact the they're targeting families too makes them pretty sick bitches. If Sony isn't putting the network back on get back on by May 3 then people need to step up and help the Sony Company!!! They support us with an amazing system everyone loves to play so if you want to keep playing online we have to help them as much as we can!!!
Anonymous is a Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. You should have expected us. Anonymous fights big business for the people. Your all idiots!
cum and visit coviland u silly, spoiled littl J*¥ks,!
All these computer hacking virgin nerds need to get a life, your a pain in the ass to millions of people and personally if you ever tried to come hurt my family you'd walk in to a gun in your face, that's cyber terrorism and some kind of authority needs to get on it
Way to GO George. This is soo bad ass. I play on the PSN like allmost everyday. Noe that i cant get online to play CODBO, i have more time to work out and habe more time be with the family. I think George Hotz is doing all of us a favor by not leting us sit on our ass,s all day.
Thanx hacker for hacking their website i hope you hacker hack Xbox's website too i know their pissed when they saw what happened to play stations ebsite these games is killing our time so now they have a little time to study
this is complete bs.just because sony went after some hacker who accepted the user end agreement then this group of sissy losers to put it lightly shuts down the network and ruins it for everyone else is complete garbage.Hotz got what he deserved and he should get worse,its just like the piraters of music,if you get caught then u deserve it,and this so called anonymous group is gonna get it far worse when they get caught,and they deserve every bit of it.I hope there's a group of meaningful hackers out there who knws who these jackasses are and turns them in.hacking is pointless I'm sorry,but unless your getting paid by a government agency or some company to do so then its a total waste of time and shows how little of a life you really have end of story
I hope Sony gets this problem fixed soon, we all wanna get online and kill stuff. Anonymous aren't just screwing Sony they are fucking over the 100s of millions of online users.
You will never eliminate hackers or hacking, but you can make your software/hardware more resilient.
Black ops we will meet again soon!!!
Fuck these hackers what was the point of hacking into the PSN
My ps3, like all others didn't come cheap so why do I as a consumer have to get caught up in this private war between these two parties. I agreed to all sonys' terms and conditions, I don't hack or anything else of that nature and I at least expect the service I paid for. AND I don't know who Hotz is or even what he looks like and frankly I don't want to cause he ain't done Jack Shit for me. Anonymous, Splinter and hotz etc, if you want my support them send me £1000000 cash, otherwise FUCK OFF YOU BUNCH OF ACNE- COVERED, VIRGIN, UNCONTROLLABLE MASTURBATING, 13 YEAR OLD LITTLE SHIT FACED NERDS!!! And as for Sony, you guys need sort out who you got working for you, cuz if your team still can't sort this out after 3 days just cuz a bunch of kids messed up your network then I'd contact the nearest recruitment agency and get some new people working there. There's sooooo many people looking for jobs right now and I would work at sony for free!!!! SORT IT OUT YOU LAZY CUNTS!!!
When even the FBI cant figure out who all of these people are...
How the fuck can U do a shit with them then?
You dont even know a shit about theyres Op...
I believe that if this outage was hacker related, that once the hacker(s) have been identified they should be prosecuted to the fullest. A network that provided gaming and social interaction to many who otherwise may be isolated and alone. They provided this platform to many people in all walks of life and tried to keep it fun and family oriented. They tried not to allow racist, religious or sexual harrassment by interactive monitoring and responses to such complaints in a very proactive manner to protect their consumers. Good business I say. Nothing is perfect for everyone. But, for 1 person or even any small group of persons to take it upon themselves to take that away from us for their petty claim to fame hurts us and hurts Playstation. Doing it over Easter vacation is sheer criminal in nature. Probably some Call of Duty hacker who got banned just getting even in their small minded brain. Just put them in jail where they belong. Let them hack their way out of that. Part of their punishment should be never allow them to own or operate another computer for the rest of their lives.
fuck you motherfucker i will get you hackers when you see us for a mmm let say for a LAST TIME ASSHOLE this is bullshit and we are on sony side that mean we won't let them down so come on what you waiting for bitch.
Those microsoft sobs are the anons taking down the Sony website lmao
So they must of done something that it's getting to this point hey
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Anonymous dont do this kind of work.
Stop being ignorant and just go with flow and just talk shit about them, theyres operation (OpSony) didnt include this task.
They where going after PS STORE and Sony's netpages, NOT PSN!
Anonymous dont support this...
They wherent looking for ideas to ruin for gamers, theyres task was to help you all...
I think it's unfortunate that someone went to these lengths psn is free to play on unlike xbox 360 that charges you 75 bucks a year to play on there network like really get a grip on reallity hackers really are gonna ruin the internet you fuckin guys Sony will probably start charging people now for a secured service thanks alot you fuckin dicks
Do Anyone know When we can play again? And how Fuck can this people do like this.. How is it possible for them to reach ps network? It should be impossible in My world.
Do Anyone know When we can play again? And how Fuck can this people do like this.. How is it possible for them to reach ps network? It should be impossible in My world.
Do Anyone know When we can play again? And how Fuck can this people do like this.. How is it possible for them to reach ps network? It should be impossible in My world.
So many of us just want to buy the machine, buy some games, pay for our high-speed internet connections and the electricity bills that go along with them.
We want to pay our subscriptions, come home in the evening and play some games.
The hackers soil everything. It is like coming home from a hard day of work and finding some creepy guys going through your trash, mail box, and tool shed. It is just wrong.
I am not impressed or well-served by the actions of the hackers. I work hard for this crap and they have stolen my time and my coins.
give them ure atention thats what they want wy doesnt sonny go 2 the cops ore something BTW I WANNA PLAY MY FUUUUU******* PS3 U FAG***è§!(ç'çà'!(è§è'
It kills me the way people are totally clueless about these snot-nosed/lazy-azz kids you call "hackers". Uber-slackers would be the better term. Come on people, quit telling us how "brilliant" these kids are - really?
All they do is reverse-engineer what "real smart people" originally did. You can convince me they have more than a 9th grade level of skills when at 16 they "invent/build" the next gaming console from scratch. No brains involved when all you do is take a soldering iron and map the traces on a motherboard. 99% of these "brilliant kids" couldn't tell you the difference between Ohms and Watts. So please... quit building up these no-job/can't get a job/don't want a job, cause mommy/daddy will let me live with them till I'm 90, losers.
Do you think they do all this "hacking" for the betterment of mankind? All they wanna do is make some money on forums and Ebay so they can buy their pot and get a kick-ass car - how? On the backs of the people that should get the props... the "real" smart people that engineer/build our gaming consoles.
But, its the parents that are really to blame... until they kick these kids to the curb, they have all they need. Free TV, internet, gaming console, Code Red and a place to smoke their pot and free munchies.
Why don't they just hire 'geohot' or whoever it is as he managed to manipulate their systems.
And among other things why can't we even after buying game and console... why can't we as the now sole owners of game and console download the game to hard drive with no trouble as the games cost the planet and most of us are not made of money. I do understand the copyright infringements but after all we did buy to be our own. All in all. Even after buying the console you still don't own it because sony have placed restrictions to the hard drives so you can't save your bought games to it. So, hopefully you'll wreck it and be forced to buy another. No wonder people hack. To whoever is doing the hacking...you've made your point now let us get back to gaming...cheers
They dont realize that even by jailbreaking the ps3 something worse will happen, game developers are closing everywhere because they cant SELL games, if all game developers close because all these idiots want free games, what games will you play? Everyone blames sony, but nobody can see who is getting reaally F&$ed here, developers and publishers. People stop being so ignorant, if only you knew how hard it is to keep a company alive you would not be doing this shit.
So you would rather a corporation become tyrannical than loose your entertainment. That's incredibly selfish, "I'm inconvenienced by the loss of my games". What about the guy who might loose his freedom or hard earned money for doing something that is completely legal? The hackers might be going a little too far but at least they are doing something.
My respect for this guys
DDOS'ing an ip address is not hacking. It's ping spamming and it involves absolutely no skill or intelligence. People also think they can use a proxy and be truly anonymous, they are wrong. Anything you do online is logged by ip in steps from the starting point to the destination and all the way back. So every single ip from beginning to end, through multiple proxies even, is all written to a logfile on each different server. The only true way to be anonymous would be to use an unsecured wireless network that wasn't your own. Even then, they would still have your mac address so if your device was compromised your ass would still be held accountable. Enjoy your long stay in jail anonymous babies. Bubba cant wait to butter them buns.
I can't believe how many people are pro-hacker! what ever happened to honesty and a free market? Do I like to pay $60 for a game? NO, but I also don't like to have to pay for cars, electronics, food, housing, and all the luxury item (boats and planes ect.) that i'll never be able to afford. But if not for a fair market and the reward of exchanging goods and services for monitary gain we would not have the things we like to buy because there would be no incentive to build it in the first place. Sony owns the stuff they make that we like until such time as we purchase it anything else is just theft. No different that if you walked into a store grabbed stuff from the shelf and walked out, which by the way doesn't hurt the retailer as they pass the loss onto the honest people that support the market that brings us the stuff we like. So get a life, find a job, earn money and purchase the goods and services that you are so inclined to purchase and stop costing the rest of the honest world billions you parasites. And to the hackers that are stealing from the rest of us you must have some skills to do what you do, just think of how good it would feel to use your skills to make the world a better place.
WOW, what's up with these f--king hackers, they have problems (Seriously their like freaking Sociopaths with no empathy for anyone other than themselves). Sony is just trying to protect their services and console. And these a holes are attacking them??? F i wish Sony put together a decent lawsuit to take these F--kers down. I really don't care about them hacking in game all too much, that is tolerable. But the whole freaking network? Come on, get a life. All those people who support the playstation hackers are major cheap a--es who can't afford to pay an extra 15 bucks for a map pack.. Come on, at least $20.00 must be pocket change for you people (At least it is for those who actually have jobs and get paid minimum wage). I haven't bought my own packs or anything, but that doesn't mean i don't enjoy the other maps on COD or other games. Jeeze what a freaking waste of their time and especially our time. Am I right or am I right?
For the love of god get a LIFE! Hey hackers, NO ONE is impressed. You're not more intelligent than anybody, you just have too much time on your hands. Try using your "big" brains to benefit society, or just get a job! You're all wonderful at screwing up everyones electronics, but you probably don't have the brains to change the oil on your bicycle! And who died and made you assholes Robin Hood. Although I'm sure you all sit around in tights writing your lines of code. Good thing your shoes have velcro straps. Perhaps this is retribution because we all beat your asses in school. GROWUP!
Sony is getting what they deserve, if they would just have left the poor boy alone then I would not be suffering because of this. Sony will not be able to stop the jail break scene just look at psp. Every game system out thus far has been hacked by someone and now sony is going after geohot because of it. They must be targeting him specifically because apple cant. LEAVE THE KID ALONE SONY HAVEN'T YOU NOTICED THE WHOLE WORLD HAS HIS BACK!
You guys must be retarded. Private hackers know more than trained engineers because they keep what they learn to themselves, hackers are way more intelligent than any Sony employee ever will be, this is the start of cyber warfare, and I promise you Sony won't win, stopping this first wave is only going to bring on more. Sony is better off giving them what they want and leaving the whole situation alone, if they have the intelligence and willpower to shut down ALL of PSN and it's affiliate law firm, they have what they need to shut down Internet servers across the board, stop acting like your comments about him going to jail are going to help, if anything it's just gonna make them come after you as well. THEYRE HACKERS! They're going to do what they want, because they CAN.
leave the playstation network n target xbox for a change
OpSony, theres not one place in the video or the text doc. Anonymous where sayng they would attack PSN, theyre's goal where to shut down Sonys internetpages and PS Store.
Whoever it is that took down PSN is a other random hacker or something...
If it's Anonymous they would'a been telling U guys.
Theyre not attacking other gamers, if they have to they probably would but they would give you a hint...
As a wiser person told me once.
You can fight against 1 and you might win!
You can fight against 10 and you might win!
You can fight against 100,000,000 and guess what, you might still win!
But know 1 thing! You can never win against the system!
Good luck anony
Kick some ass Sony!!!
= sad lonely pricks :-)
.1 , i beleive when i purchased the ps3 here in puerto vallarta mexico i was fully aware of the fact that id be wasting a shit load of time playing it for the next few years.
So for all of you that make comments about have a brain and its just a game and oh smashing buttons..... fuck you. I paid for that right mutha fuka. i got over 3 grand in this bitch and right now aint shit happenin. Somebodys ass is goin down for this shit. i cant wait. and you got a ps3 too? well fuck you. im sorry u fuckin suck @ COD. Look bro, when im selling $600k condos and a client just cant afford it, theres only one thing left to say, sorry this may just not be for you.
SO I CAN SEND THEM A BILL for over an hour of my time, trying to help a customer hook their PS3 up the the PSN. Connects to the internet fine, but not PSN. Then tried to connect to PS.COM to reset their password and spent more time trying to figure our why their internet works everywhere tonight but the PS Store and Password Reset. Now I find this article and know that all this TIME was wasted trying to figure out the customers connection problem, when it was most likely caused by ANONYMOUS---- F# U ANONYMOUS! Come out of the shadows and be MEN not CHILDREN -- WE *USERS OF THE SYSTEM* are stuck in the middle --- HACK SONYS BANK ACCOUNT not the PSN the USERS paid for!
Wtf the only.time I get to play and.the.network is down fuck them fukin hackers this is bullshit y cant the FBI help out or sumthn
gotcha bitch
@Badvock You are completely blind, they aren't fighting for our freedom. They are doing what ever they want, they attack people and they steal private information of citizens and use it for their own gain, all they are is a bunch of terrorists hiding behind a computer desk.
It's also stated in the TOS that you aren't allowed to do anything illegal with it, he leaked out the PS3's metldr key that can lead to piracy of a game. And same thing with games you aren't allowed to modify the software of the game and leak the information to upload on the internet as it's Illegal! You are just as blind as Anonymous who thinks they are doing justice for people but are angering people and hurting them.
What pricks :(. Thankfully I was playing devil may cry 1 so it didn't effect me :).
Apologies QQ, last comments should have been aimed at the illiterate moron above you.
Hey QQ, think of this as your moment of sobriety, take some time to put your controller down. Perhaps read a book or meet with an English teacher for one, jesus if you put the games down perhaps your grasp of the English language and its use would be improved. Instead your whiney comments about how you can't play your game are falling upon deaf ears......just sayin'
man if ur a hacker and ur that good.. y target SONY.. go get sum damn money.. work for em or sumthin.. u guys hav nuthin better to do.. i work all day and jus wanted to come home and let off a couple shots on COD now im on a damn site commenting bout sum dumb shit.. lol wut are yall proving?? SONY has more money then u.. so they gona fix it and then they comin for yall.. jus my opinion.. oh yea.. leave family and kids out ur lil games too... that is a lil too far in my book also.. NOW turn my game bak on!!
I agree with you for the most part, except for the drug dealer analogy. George Hotz distributing instructions on modifying a motor to be more fuel efficient would be more analogous to this situation.
Exploits are as much educational tools as they are tools used by people with malicious intent. You don't see Syngress getting shut down for distributing books that, essentially, teach those who, if they use the information a certain way, could cause harm. If a hacker used a technique described in a Syngress book to commit a crime, Syngress, the information source, should not be to blame. Neither should George Hotz, in this case, for distributing a crack to enable users to use their systems how they want (such as for the production of home brew games or the Playstation 2 emulation), even if someone could use it to do something illegal.
I agree with the point that if you hack something and get caught, you pay the consequences. Nobody forced him to hack it.
Whether it should be legal to create a EULA that says you cannot use an item you purchased however you choose, now that is a different issue. I think such EULA’s are wrong, and should be challenged. I can completely understand Microsoft saying that you cannot use a piece of software licenced for 1 PC, on 10. But if they said you can only use it on a Microsoft PC (such as Apple does), or that you cannot modify it in any way even though you paid for it, that I disagree with.
If Sony says that if you hack your PS3 you cannot go on PSN and play with other users, that is fine by me. Ban those people, leave PSN for the rest of us who game legitimately. Saying that because you hack your own PS3 you should go to jail, that is something that can be argued and fought against in court, and you would probably win. But if you then post/sell/distribute the exploit, then I think Sony has a case again. I agree with the people who say that you can do whatever you want with your own equipment (EULA’s be damned) but distributing it is different. I’m ok with cops leaving alone drug users, but I can totally understand them going after dealers, because they are distributing it. Two different levels of crime in my eyes.
To the people who argue that what this kid did was criminal, then the definition of what is criminal should be changed. Rape, murder, robbery, identity theft, these are criminal offences. A brilliant kid who hacks some devices, which arguably should not be locked down in the first place if you paid for them, that is not criminal in my eyes (and the courts agreed when they said Apple could not go after people who jailbreak their phones). I’m about as bothered by what geohot did as I am when I see someone jaywalking. Seriously, who really cares?
So, at the end of the day, geohot knew that what he was doing would open him up for prosecution, and he made his choice, so he has to accept his fate. I don’t think the kid should go to jail, but I could see him paying Sony some damages for sharing the hack, especially if he profited from the exploit (like he did with his Iphone exploits), but he should not serve hard time. That’s a little overzealous. With his skills, Sony should offer the kid a job.
As for Anonymous, as has already been suggested, they are likely sabre rattling. They are kids saying they’ll go after families because they want to sound hard. That being said, they are not terrorists, they are not going to kill these family members of Sony execs, they are probably going to close down their FaceBook accounts, trash them on the web, and make their digital world altogether a nightmare. Is it right to do? No, but as long as they don’t do anything to harm or steal from these Sony family members, they are being nothing worse than a pest, and I’m ok with that. Maybe it will make Sony execs realise that their operating model of DRM and exclusive licensing, is not going to stand in a digital world where many of your users have more technical expertise by 20 than your engineers will ever have. Maybe if it affects them on the homefront, it will sink in that they need to change. It doesn’t make going after the families ok, but if we end up with a better smarter Sony, we’ll all be praising Anonymous as being crusaders.
And really, all of you people who are irate because you cannot play a game, stating that it ruined your day, that so many users have been screwed over, and that people need to get raped in jail because you cannot play a video game, it’s time to get a life. I like to play video games, but it’s not an inalienable right, and if you cannot survive for a few hours or even days without tapping some buttons, then you have MUCH bigger problems you need to deal with.
All you guys bitching about anonymous saying theyve lost respect and whatnot. Anonymous never had respect in the first place. Ps3 users can go fuck themselves.
We are legion,
We do not forgive,
We do not forget.
Love how Rob.t just destroyed that V- idiot.. Hahaha. You got rolled buddy. Where's your big mouth now huh? That's right, around Rob's asshole.. HAHAHAH!
Jeeeesus some of these comments are a joke right? those first 20 or so have gotta be sony employees. listen to you all "screw personal freedoms and the right to utilise the products I own, I wanna play COD waaah waah waaaaaaaah!" FFS people wake up, by their actions Sony are basically saying that you don't OWN your PS3 you rent it! unplug your consoles and go out instead, meet people get some natural sunlight and fresh air and quit frikken whining that you can't play cod when someone stands up for your rights. MORONS!
@Mikey -
You would shoot someone for modifying your kid's Facebook page?
That's like saying you'll shoot someone if they egg your kid's car or toilet paper your house.
LOL. Americans are stupid. Ceding control of your lives over to corporations and killing people that get in your way.
Anyone looking for evidence that excessive use of computer games diminishes mental capacity need only look at the comments above.
What I find surprising is that - assuming many/most of them are just astroturfers - Sony's sock puppets make no effort to dispel this impression.
Personally. I don't care if sites get hacked, or products get jail broken. It all serves to improve security measures and products.
When you start targeting children however, you deserve to be fucking shot. As a father, I'll fire the gun myself if you ever attack my kids.
You've just proven that you're a bunch of cowards Anonymous.
MOST VIDEO GAMES ARE ABOUT COMMITTING CRIMES, AND HACKING IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO PLAY WITH A PS3, AND AT LEAST HACKERS ARE COMMITTING ACTUAL CRIMES VS PRETEND CRIMES YOU CAN ONLY DO WITH VIDEO GAMES.
at first everyone was like wow these group of people are going to DDOS major banks etc, wow for the sake of humanity and greater cause. NOW, they are going DDOS PSN and website + going after their employees? this is totally not cool.
also it projected to us that they (annoymous) are mostly a bunch of immature people/kids.
geohotz totally deserve it, he should see that coming by letting himself being so famous with apple jailbreaking and PS3 software breaking.
if he is that smart, he would have hidden behind a hacking group and does his work annoymously. i hope both geohotz and annoymous group go serve some jail time for this.
I cannot believe how many idiots commented here because they are not able to play their games.
Oh my god, so much butthurt in comments? It's sad to watch this. How happy you all were to suck Sony's %#$% when they were taking away your consumer rights, so long as they gave you more bling and mindless entertainment; you - yes, YOU - sign yourself away for real slavery to get MW2. And now that a group of people are actually fighting for our rights - YOUR rights - by attacking Sony where it hurts them and where they will take notice - you're all up in arms because you can't get your daily dose of ^@#%ing up your brain with TV and video games for one evening?
Instead of blaming Anon, how about you write SONY, who are the ones who started the fight in the first place, and tell them that they should stop doing bad things? It'd take you about as long as writing an angry comment here about how hackers should be hanged by the balls and then flayed alive, but it'll be immensely more useful.
Their response is about the same as Sony's, insanely large. There is a large company trying to ruin somebody's life to make an example out of them. He can't do anything to them even if he wins, but he's had to suffer an insane amount of harassment and he won't be able to cover the legal costs if he works for the next 20 years. So I think hurting Sony's profits/Image and harassing them and their family's is proportional.
The level of ignorance about what the case against George Hotz is about is at an alltime high in here. And the inability of most to disconnect the actions of Anonymous to something George condones speaks to the ignorance of most of the posters on here.
What Anonymous did is unacceptable and most certainly illegal. And the mature responsible hackers out there (which I believe George is one of) would have nothing to do with the actions take by Anonymous.
That being said, to those that state that George Hotz has done something illegal and should be punished are ignorant of what George did and even more importantly are ignoring the fundamental tenant of our legal system; and that is George is innocent until proven guilty. Just because Sony has filed charges does not mean that George Hotz has done anything wrong. At this point the case is still in discovery, in fact I'm not even sure they've determined in what state the case is to be tried in.
What George Hotz did was figure out the keys that allow software to run on the PS3 so he could re enable the other OS feature that was part of the PS3 he bought. And to allow him and others to write their own homebrew applications/games for his and other hackers like him to use. He has never been linked and strongly denies taking part in any copyright infringement, software piracy or cheating. He also denies ever having a PSN account, thus he never agreed to any of Sony's terms of service, (which may or may not even be enforceable).
George Hotz conducted himself in a profesionial manner and used the equipment that he bought in any way he wanted without violating anyone elses rights. And then published how he did it which is allowed based on something called the First Amendment or Freedom of Speech.
George Hotz defense will likely revolve around the fact that he was simply re enabling a feature of a product that he had already paid for. Imagine if the previous owners of your home came back a year later and decided to reclaim the refrigerator, stove, dishwasher and washer/dryer while showing you a new contract they came up with after you bought the house stating the appliances weren't actually included in the sale anymore, so they're removing them for your safety.
His defense will also likely try to site the fact that it has been determined that you are allowed to jailbreak your cell phone to run whatever software you like on it or use it with any carrier you wish. Because what George Hotz did was jailbreak the PS3 so he can do what he wished with it.
Basically, myself and thousands of others believe that George Hotz should not be responsible for irresponsible usage of his code by others that he has no control of. In fact in his distribution of the jailbreak method he specifically cites that the code should not be used for illegal activities. I mean just because a store sells guns doesn't mean that they go to jail whne some one gets shot with their guns. That would be ridiculous. Which is exactly what the charges against George Hotz are.
But Sony has a lot of money, appears to own a few judges, who knows your rights to do what you wish with what you bought may be subverted.
QQ More Nerds
Sony is against the free use of personal property as the owner sees fit. What Sony believes is that, even though you own the console such that you could smash it into small pieces and set it on fire, you don't know the console such that you can do something far less destructive (such as crack it to use alternative operating systems). This kind of logic, if used in other industries, would be preposterous.
What would you say if you could have your vehicle that you bought crushed for scrap metal (say if it were made inoperable beyond a reasonable cost of repair) but you couldn't replace or modify the engine or motor to your liking?
What if you bought a computer and you were free to submerge it in battery acid and place it next to a powerful magnet, effectively destroying it, but you couldn't change a setting to allow you to change your homepage nor could you open it up and upgrade the video card?
Is this not America, the land of the free? Or is this America, home of the corporate overlords and willing Sonyfag subjects/zombies with nothing more than mush for a brain?
there are many bad corporations and powerful groups out there. they bankrupted the united states. when will people learn that many corporations and sony are just evil. anonymous is trying to defend the rights of everybody.
think bigger picture here people! these demonized hackers are trying to protect us from being screwed more in the future.
Why aren't you mad at Sony, you fuck1ng cunts?
Also - PSN s not a valid target anymore - so again - GET MAD AT SONY YOU TWATS!
Wow - never seen so many comments on an Inq article before. Sony must hire a veritable army of full time astroturfers. :)
all you hackers need to get lives you morons. i have a ps3 and this isnt attacking sony! fucking dumb asses. do die in hell! you guys take it too far! go fuck yourselves. Lmao im violent
It is amusing how so many of you do not understand why this was done, why it is wrong of Sony. Maybe it may help you all to know that Anonymous did not attack the PSNetwork, only the Playstation Site and the Playstation Store were targeted, these are seperate to the PSNetwork. We, unlike the people who run the country, would never attack the people we fight for, we are not like the people who run the country, we do not believe in war or in killing civilians, this is a comparison to the PSN users. (Sony would be the people in charge, and the users of the PSN the civilians). The people we fight for are the people who use the PSN, as a result of the attacks against Sony's web site, it is believed that Sony retaliated against Anonymous by shutting down PSN servers in an attempt to discredit Anonymous' actions in the eyes of the people they fight for. This is most likely why the main feature of the reports by the leading news companies was regarding the issues caused to PSN and how it affected the online users, I wonder how much Sony paid for this coverage. If you are to blind to see what is really happening here then so fool you. We will not forgive, we will not forget, united as one, divided by zero, expect us.
One good thing to come out of this is some people have actually communicated and even read something. Sony are shits and if you are that dependent on them it should tell you something about the quality of your life.
Going after family members, whats the big deal, they are never violent and just mess with peoples sites so what the big deal if some Sony executives kids get their computer virused?
First up not endorsing anonymous actions. Still everyone is over the top on these guys are evil, did anyone bother to read the whole story (not on INQ). The reason there's an off shot going after families is because Sony security was supposedly shaking down GEOHOT's family. His family members were being ambushed and threatened (I presume with legalities couldn't find specifics). Again doesn't make what anonymous did right, but we can't let Sony off the hook so easy either. This isn't them just protecting their product when you bring someone else family into the equation you're being just as messed up and deserve something in return, preferably jail time (which of course will never happen).
It is amusing how so many of you do not understand why this was done, why it is wrong of Sony. Maybe it may help you all to know that Anonymous did not attack the PSNetwork, only the Playstation Site and the Playstation Store were targeted, these are seperate to the PSNetwork. We, unlike the people who run the country, would never attack the people we fight for, we are not like the people who run the country, we do not belive in war or in killing civilians, this is a comparison to the PSN users. (Sony would be the people in charge, and the users of the PSN the civilians). The people we fight for are the people who use the PSN, as a result of the attacks against Sony's web site, it is belived that Sony retaliated against Anonymous by shutting down PSN servers in an attempt to discredit Anonymous' actions in the eyes of the people they fight for. This is most likely why the main feature of the reports by the leading news companies was regarding the issues caused to PSN and how it affected the online users, I wonder how much Sony paid for this coverage. If you are to blind to see what is really happening here then so fool you. We will not forgive, we will not forget, united as one, divided by zero, expect us.
Some of the things hackers have done like this make me laugh... but this? ok, bad timing. Some of these Japanese folks being targeted have more important things to worry about now. Talk about adding insult to injury!
I’d like to add how safe are the employees and their families, not very according to www.confusedthoughts.com considering social network sties, people like to brag about themselves.
check out http://www.linkedin.com/company/sony-computer-entertainment-america
Look at the number of comments on the story, completely out of proportion...
Hey, Inq, can we have the IPs of the posters, I want to see that Sony subnet in full!
I just want to call out the fact that half of the commenters on this article that want "anonymous to burn" and what not, that they post as anonymous names themselves. Way to be a hypocrite guys. You've just joined the legion you hate.
I'm amazed at all the bunched panties over this whole thing. All your bitching is fighting Anonymous' battle for them.
I'm honestly surprised that people don't seem to think that this is what they want. And that people are sympathetic to Sony.
(I own a PS3 and love Sony products, but seriously, this whole thing (removal of other OS, subsequent lawsuit) was a really stupid move on their part. And now they look like they don't know what they're doing when they can be attacked so easily...)
as you appear to simply put be an idiot allow me to deconstruction your argument because for the third time you have failed to read what i have written.
"You don't condone or support what they do yet you hacked what was it, a phone?"
my statments were that i do not support or condone anonymous's actions in reguards to threatening sony executives family members as for taking down the playstation network thumbs up to them because idiots like you get effected and have a bitch about how its un fair. and as for hacking my phone i am in full support of the home brew and development community as like i stated it is those devolopments that companies like apple, microsoft and even google look at and go oh shit we never thought of that lets integrate that into out next version of windows, mac-os or android.
"because it didn't do what you wanted it to do, that's funny with a touch of retardation."
Not only do i find this statement rich coming from a person who said they wanted to break my jaw. There are many features on mast hardware devices that arent fully utilized. android is a massive culprit for this and as such to enable the hardware to run at its full capacity i decided to hack it. calling me a retard for realizing these limitations to the standard operating system seems rather redundant considering you wont even have the attention span long enough to reach this sentence before having a bitch about how your playstation network is down again.
You are no better than them and if you were to get caught and hauled off I'd laugh at you the whole while you made that shameful walk to the car.
Actually if you had half a brain you would realise that android the operating system designed by google was made with people like me and holtz in mind. it allows us to manipulate what they have provided without any breach of terms and conditions. again i ask you to think and come back to me with a thought out statement.
If this guy really wanted to tamper with shit like this he should learn to get a degree and try to work with Sony or a company similar to practice and apply his interest and hobby.
this is how the computer virus originated because of the exact mentality. with the programming game such a compeditive field people would create virus's that exploited specific codes within an operating system. they got cought out and would turn around and say well if you want it fixed you would have to hire me. half of the employees that created your version of windows or your antivirus got their jobs in this mannor. why would a modification to the playstation 3 deny holtz this same level of merit?
These kind of people ruin games, Like Socom II after "Code9" came out it was pointless to play.
again you are talking about gamers like your self who chose to manipulate the game code ruining the experience for those who chose to play legit. again there is more to hacking than your stupid video games i myself am a gamer and i understand the frustration involved with it but im not stupid enough to base my entire argument based on experiences on an online game. after all on the box doesnt it stipulate game experience may change with online play.
As for anyone who doesn't like the way Sony does their Terms it's too damn bad - it's their product and if they want to change the ways their terms are they are allowed to do so. Don't buy their product if you don't like it.
again i bring up the point have you ever used a torrenting program or p2p download program like limewire/frostwire and alike. if you have you are breaking a federal law which is punishable by law. terms and conditions of usage however is not recognized as the law and what sony is attempting to do is make their terms and conditions punishable by law.
And good, I want you all to remember and not forget this, I'll keep it simple : Fuck all you Anonymous members. You're ruining something people spent their money on to enjoy during pass time.
may i remind you that holtz also spent money on his playstation so your not the only one difference is you dont have a massive orginisation up your ass for trying to modify it so that people could write their own games. again your attitude is proving to be that of a child not getting his own way i am in no way saying that anonymous threatening sony exec's familys is right in any way
however i do believe that they have every right to stand up for the very community that made computing and gaming the way it is today.
and again i stipulate that anonymous would be keyboard warriors like yourself standing up for what they believe in. you say you want to break my jaw but i know that in fact that you wouldnt if you saw me face to face. anonymous is the same they are trying to get to the sony execs by any means necessary they wouldnt cause harm to them but they are trying to get to their heads. the way the article makes them out to be some hackers on steroids when in fact they are just a bunch of nerds standing up for the right to be creative and use that creativity in conjunction to newer technology.
you make baffoonish remarks and act really tough but your attitude indicates that your opinions are that of a child. if your son was on the break of discovering the cure for cancer and the last component he needed was the processor out of a ps3 to calculate the formula and sony went to fuck him up the ass wouldnt you be pissed. this boy is somone's son and he is up against a super giant corporation that managed to win a case against nintendo another super power in the industry over the super nindendo fiasco despite sufficent evidence being provided by nintendo.
if i was in his shoes i would be praying for any support i could get.
These hackers need to go to prison and get raped until they die from blood loss.
If you really want Anonymous to stop, quit the whining and drawing attention to topics like these.
Anonymous is you, and whatever you do, you make us bigger.
"Few will have much sympathy for Sony after its treatment of Hotz and its attempts to suppress publicly available information and those who want to view it."
Ermmm WRONG. I think you'll find most of us gamers FULLY support Sony.
As a many as fallacies as you guys can lay, lets remember this concept with dealing with any authoritarian
Freedom vs Order vs Equality.
Now to use the Linux OS you are agreeing that Sony in no way will help you nor give you updates because you compromise two things: Order and Equality
Linux option was put out initially for the purpose off increased freedom, or programming, (inhibit creativity from gamer communities specifically) and also as another selling point for other consumers in mind, like the military because of the its microcell processing capability
But hackers took advantage of this way too far. Sony reacted accordingly because of jail broken psp's (courtesy of hackers), modded hackers playing online against eula abiding users (courtesy of hackers) and feared that eventually the ps3 network would be compromised courtesy of hackers.
At that point Equality was being compromised because hackers were able to further themselves. Numerous examples are seen throughout numerous online games on the ps3 where hackers cheat their way through games via mods.
With such inequality Order was then established with ps3 removing the linux option via update so users could not program any mod or malicious software that could compromise even balance gaming.
They built this machine with online gaming community in mind, so at one point freedom must be constricted to maintain order and equality just how Sony took the option out because things we're getting out of control. Its because of Sony's policing that hackers feel like their freedoms have been restricted.
REALIZE YOU DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO US THE LINUX OS BUT IF YOU USE YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN SONY'S NETWORK. So therefore, downgrade your system and play around. Agreeing to the EULA means your agreeing to the standard format of conduct that playstation users must abide to play online and that since PSN is moderated by Sony, they may change it as they see fit. Has the Ps3's purpose been compromised? No, they just want users, who choose to opt for the Linux software, to agree that sony does not endorse that in any way because its outside of their network and they cannot control it and shouldn't take responsibility because it is an open-source .
They also stated in the their disclaimers throughout each update they can change the rules to prevent piracy and cheating as they see fit by agreeing to that you are agreeing in that youre compromising the linux option but in that sony will let you conduct yourself amongst their domain. If you linux users are mad for not being with SCE's domain, make one yourself... it wasn't even advertised in the first place, Linux enthusiast were the ones who put it there out.
This whole lawsuit is completely ignorant. Inform yourselves people.
You can't stop this digital anarchy any more than you can stop Sony giving it to you up the arse (and asking for more!).
Go outside for a walk, talk to your family, visit the pub.
It's just video games, get over it.
Well all you babies can complain all you want about not being able to play on PSN the fact of the matter is that you are all saying Put these people in Jail. Why because half of you complaining probably have no life! Catching all the hackers out there is like saying "SONY go catch all the killers out there" Are you all that narrow visioned? Sony will protect their interests the best they can. You idiots need to find something else to complain about! Hackers are always going to be there. Try going out and having a life instead of complaining about things you have no control over! Congrats someone hacked PSN cry me a river build me a bridge and get over it! To me it just goes to show how vulnerable gaming networks are to hacking!
Thanks for calling us on our shit.
Altho still not cool to go after families b/c that's not just stealing property from a giant corporation (I'm sure you don't condone that, either).
You don't condone or support what they do yet you hacked what was it, a phone? because it didn't do what you wanted it to do, that's funny with a touch of retardation. You are no better than them and if you were to get caught and hauled off I'd laugh at you the whole while you made that shameful walk to the car. If this guy really wanted to tamper with shit like this he should learn to get a degree and try to work with Sony or a company similar to practice and apply his interest and hobby. These kind of people ruin games, Like Socom II after "Code9" came out it was pointless to play.
As for anyone who doesn't like the way Sony does their Terms it's too damn bad - it's their product and if they want to change the ways their terms are they are allowed to do so. Don't buy their product if you don't like it.
And good, I want you all to remember and not forget this, I'll keep it simple : Fuck all you Anonymous members. You're ruining something people spent their money on to enjoy during pass time.
XBOX owners...SERIUOSLY are you honestly laughing at the fact that we PS3 owners may have TEMPORARALY lost our network...but you suckers that have registered credit card details have had them STOLEN and SOLD off to criminals...i know what i would rather LOSE...whose laughing now??? Why pay for an unsecure service...one word....MUGS.....never mind enjoy the legal wrangle coming your way when the debt collectors come a knocking at your door pmsl
Good for anon! I had no idea Geohot was bothered by Sony. All of You who are negative towards hackers are not in favor of a free human consciousness, and you are who will not stand to survive when Kali yuga ends.
I remember earlier this year Anonymous had a mini "deul" with wikileaks. So MAYBE, Wikileaks can take another company as hostage. Watch out microsoft!
I just want to say good for this guys they have proved they can take playstation down.. it was fun.. but now get over it and let us play.. I'm sure the millions of PSN users are now pissed off like me.. I Just Want To Play!!
So V-... You wanted to crack Robs jaw? calm down superkeyboardhero, don't get too angry and bust through your clothing or anything.
Always remember, everything you say is seen by Anon, they never forgive, never forget.
Never forget that, because none of as are as cruel as all of us.
;)
You wanted to crack Robs jaw? calm down superkeyboardhero, don't get too angry and bust through your clothing or anything.
Always remember, everything you say is seen by Anon, they never forgive, never forget.
Never forget that, because none of as are as cruel as all of us.
;)
wow you want to crack my jaw. exactly the ignorance i spoke of in my response. if you had an attention span that lasted longer than that of a gold fish and finished reading what i had written you would understand that i was no in support of anonymous's actions and stated that they would merely be making threats behind a keyboard. they hold the same merit as your wanting to break my jaw.
in fact i was supporting holtz in regards to him attempting to create something different or new. the fact that what i wrote pissed you off actually pleases me as quite frankly i think you are immature and are looking at it as he broke my playstation and im assuming your to old to cry to your mother so you are having a bitch here.
Geohotz did nothing illegal. What anonymous is doing is certainly wrong, but so is a corporation that is trying to rewrite law and is going after individuals in line with its policy.
People buying sony equipment are paying and supporting that activity.
The core here is that sony made errors in the security on the device, and the device is owned by the user and they can do what they want with it. Anyone can do what they want with a PS3 - and sony can always cancel services if they want on the device.
Sony have been so wrong in PS3 forever, that I am personally glad the rootkitting evil buggers are being given a lesson. Could not happen to a nicer company.
I got about halfway through your article before I found it uninteresting and wanting to crack your jaw. These Anonymous pricks got to go, if you want to go with them by all means be their butt-buddy in prison and watch their asses for them so big bubba doesn't violate it. The stories behind hackers and what they do blah blah blah. No one fucking cares - if you're hacking for good, bad whatever the case is and if it's against the law and you're tampering with it anyways you deserve what's coming for you regardless of how you try to word it. It's CRIMINAL and what they're doing now is the same thing with a touch of terrorism in it since they're going after families of the corporate. Fuck these assclowns and anyone else who supports it.
Anonymous' time would be better spent coordinating the greatest legal minds in a defense of jail-breaking, not going after people's families.
The real issue here is that a teenager was given or bought a game system and used his brain to modify it to run his own software, liked you would do with any other computer, but Anonymous has gone too far in targetting families as retribution.
Ask yourselves though ...
What if Ford sued you for hundreds of millions of dollars if you bought Angel Eye headlights and explained to others on the web how to install them?
What if Toyota sued you for hundreds of millions of dollars if you upgraded your Prius to make it a plugin?
What if Exxon sued you for hundreds of millions of dollars if you modified your car to run on compressed air instead of gasoline?
People should be allowed to exercise their creativity, but Anonymous is fighting back in the wrong way.
having read through the comments and opinions left behind by the people who read this article i came to the conclusion that the people who are bitching about the playstation network (DDoS) attack are ignorant and have no real understanding of the situation.
back when the super nintendo was huge, nintendo wanted to increase its product's life so they turned to several cd manufacturers to produce an addon to the super nintendo system.
sony's design for this expansion was the one chosen. before production could occur sony releases the playstation one based on the design that nintendo had provided them essentially "hacking" there logos all over the original design.
this dispute was settled in court about 2 or so years ago and cost both companies millions.
how can you condone sony for having partaken in the act of theft to provide you with what you know as the playstation one.
if anyone knew anything about anonymous and what it stands for the going after the kids of sony representatives would be nothing more than a scare tactic. as you claim they are just kids. annomyous is simply putting forth that it is that hacking community that pushes strides in technological advancements.
as you are posting on the internet it is safe to assume that you are enjoying the benefit of using a computer. whether it be a mac or windows machine. both of these operating systems stole concepts for a GUI bases os from sun Microsystems and many of the features you enjoy and programs you use as a standard feature were originally implemented by these so call hackers. they looked at what they had and said i want it to be able to do this. and hence made it so.
how many of you have ever recieved a copy of a program or game from a friend and used a patched file to play it.
or downloaded an mp3
who is to say that piracy is ok but hacking is not considering hacking is essentially what made computing and technology what it is today.
i know that i personally hacked my android phone because it lacked the features that i require in the standard operating system. are you saying that i should be jailed for trying to improve functionality in my device.
how many of you have set a desktop wallpaper from an image you saved off the internet. as far as i am to understand that these images are property of the original creator of said image so you are partaking in the act of theft.
so if you have ever downloaded a pic online or downloaded a song or pirated software and faced a jail sentence for trying to improve the functionality or look and feel of your computer i think you would be singing in different tones.
and before you go on about how some of those points have nothing to do with hacking im am aware of this and yes they may very well be off topic but they were merely used to back up my opinions.
"I hope he goes to jail for ten years. Millions of people can't get on PSN right now, which is what they are wanting to do in their own free time. Typical kid behind a computer. He thinks he is invincible. I had a kid not older than 10 cuss me like noone else ever has. Send him to jail, please. JAIL JAIL JAIL"
i am sorry but you should get a hold of your kid your failure to do so only indicates your ineficency as a parent and the fact that you rely on your playstation as means of controlling your children. if you had bothered to read the article properly you would understand that holtz is being charged and these hackers are a completly different body.
redcell is possibly the only person who has made a statement and bothered to take into account the history and development of these systems and computers. as for you who are bitching that your playstation network is down suffer with it because quite frankly if you have nothing better to do than play playstation you need to get out more.
seriously shove your entertainment because if you were in the same position
im sure you would appreciate people fighting on your side.
XBOX360, PC and WII players are laughing their asses off :D
If you kids, ladies and gentlemen, want to stop anonymous.
Then voice it here. Take it up another step, and just report malice behavior to authorizes or Song, or any corporation in which you use websites.
Many of you know these people in anonymous, and you would never know it.
Use this tread to make as many comments, voicing you're outrage ladies and gentlemen.
Anonymous is starting to become bold, and think they can do whatever they want to people and their computers.
This is bad.
- M
IDGAF who was did who to what first. No ones rights are being infringed either so I really DGAF about any of this. Let me back on my system to play online. The guy hacks sony and they send the dogs after him what you expect? a global company and people make threats. Lots of balls on them but there is a reason why they are named anonymous because them, their families and all their friends would be bang in trouble just for that one stunt.
Net freedom is being able to log into the net without thumb scanning or eye scanning you just to get on like they plan to do with internet 3 or school laptops having cameras in them watching what children do day and night and if they do something bad the school snitches on them to their parents.
These guys aren't fighting for any of that though so I don't feel sorry for any of them. Wearing freaking V for vendetta masks is what REALLY pisses me off...what revolution are you fighting for? I mean seriously? do you even know what the word means? real issues out there and they wanna go after an entertainment company for what they did to some assclown who thinks it is fun to hack items for amusement and brag on the net about it...what a joke
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Please-stop-anonymous/216128225070434?ref=ts&sk=page_getting_started#!/pages/Please-stop-anonymous/216128225070434?sk=page_getting_started#!/profile.php?id=1725354387 join join join we need to stop them
If a new group of hackers could band together and name themselves "Incognito" to help search and hunt down these "Anonymous" bitches one by one. If so - allow me to be one of the people who goes in and drags these little no-good-for-nothing-douches out of their basements and into the sunlight while I stomp their face into the ground to release some built up tension before letting them get hauled off to prison. Damn..Wouldn't that be so nice.... Sigh.
"We are Incognito. "
"We will rape your legion. "
"Expect backdoor invasion. "
Now that's a group I could support.
Notice since Anonymous, programing skills are very limited, all they can do is DOS attacks.
Soon enough they will rat out their own organization, since all they are doing most of this stuff for is attention and fame like the same old Hollywood Drama queens seen daily in the news.
Thank you you pieces of shit anonymous for destroying my day. I took the day off to watch champions leaugue and play fifa but now you hijos de su puta madre have ruined it! Here's a fukin hyyyyperuppercut into your ass putos!
is this a hoax???
You complainers tied to your playstation and claiming it as your sole entertainment are sheep hooked on Sony's soma. I have one as well but if the playstation network is actually still down it won't bother me one bit. I have a brain, which affords me infinite opportunities to entertain myself.
I *bought* a Playstation. It is now mine. As in, no longer Sony's. If I want to replace the software inside or use the device for some other purpose, I should be able to that without fear of reprisal from the COMPANY I'VE ALREADY PAID.
If Sony doesn't want people using the Playstation 3 as a powerful computer, then they should spend their lawyer money on making the system more secure against modification, not scaring the public or trying to put a 17 year old budding genius in jail for utilizing his intellect.
If I jailbreak my own Playstation 3, it hurts no one. NO ONE.
You are all sheep hooked on Sony's soma. Wake up and use your brains.
Hey... I USE TO PLAY CALL OF DUTY online. NOW I CAN NOT PLAY NO MORE!!!... please fix this quikly or I gonna buy a XBOX360 tomorrow...!!!
this is some bull shit tey think they are standing up for the oppersed and the weak. HAHAHAHAHAHA! they are no better than that hacker prick. if you beack the lawl then u deserve to be punished for it.they say they are going to traget the familys of the exctives of sony then that makes them territst and cocksuckers.
Cant wait for the government to attack these A-holes. You idiots are not attacking Sony, you are attacking the consumers who purchased a product. You are attacking that little kid who finally got up enough money or was good enough to get a PS3 so he could play little big planet or play online without being held up by Microsoft just to play online. You are attacking the employees of Sony Japan who are rebuilding there homes and putting to rest there loved ones. This to me is sick. Shameful.
In the end you will get what is coming to you.
These fucking so called hackers need to fcking get a life nd stop pissing other people of for no reason. All i Wanted was to play some dam COD after my dam college exam nd now i cant. SONY get the network back nd wrking plzzz
Wow! these dudes are for REAL! I own a PS3, woke up this morning and thought, eh...must be routine maintenance...Hey Anonymous, can u at least let the innocent gamers go log in? Will CTR+ALT+DELETE solve this problem? lol.....oh well, time to turn on my Xbox : )
So who exactly are they protecting here?? This dude broke the law. Period! He was messing with private property and got caught, what's the problem? If I walk into that dudes house that he owns/mothers basement.. And decided to knock down a few walls and remove his family is that my right?? How dare Sony protect itself, how dare them... I hope this dude gets raped in prison so he too can feel violated....
Anonymous
You may have reason to be upset but that gives you no right to screw over millions of innocent psn users!
What goes around comes around....
"Little people..
People who hack and do things like this, don't ever think of the little people that they hurt. I have playstation to watch tv. My only tv. And with playstation down. NO TV! Not good, Not good....!"
^^Farenheit 451 anyone...
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I think making Sony listen is very robin hood / zorro but c'mon now... families? Wicked witch / borderline-terror
Good for them, Keep up the good work Anonymous, fight for whats right!
Its great that someone finally is standing up to Sony for screwing everyone over, although I can't say that I agree with them going after the families of the employees. Most of the "updates" that Sony has released to the public have been nothing short of a huge disappointment. Also, if you look into similar cases like the ipod jailbreaking and xbox jailbreaking you will find that this case is basically the exact same, except for the fact that geohotz never agreed to any contract, and therefore Sony has really no standing case against him in this aspect. I would say don't attack the families, but attack the crap out of the network until they agree to drop the case and allow the jailbreaks to emerge.
I can't play my black ops you peaces of s*%t!!!!! I swear on my life if I would ever see anyone from anonymous I would make them eat their f%$king keyboard!!!!! Beat the f%&k out of you with the monitor and stick the cable so far up your ass that u would bleed forever!!!!! Stupid f$-ks!!!!!
do these hacker morons realise by doing this they will only provoke sony to seek more severe punishments through LEGAL means not by using cowardly attacks on members of PSN? and as for "targeting members of the sony corporation" shouldnt that fall under some manner of threat and carry some jail time, personally i hope every single one of those hackers locked up
Cmon join, we need to stop this because they are stupid. I want to use my shit and they just ruined it big time
Come on!! I'm off today and I just want to play some Black Ops!! Geezzzz...
i hope these idiots all get sent down they aint hurting sony its the so called little people they are screwing over for doing stuff that they shouldnt have been doing in the first place you ask me they all need to grow up IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!
These guys are just thugs, plain & simple
You are a corporation and you step on people, you must wait for karmic consequences.
You may think going after Sony's executives families is a step too far, but what about sony harrasing individuals to stop something that's unavoidable.
You see the protests everywhere in the world? People are tired of being the floor people in power step on.
The internet is no exception to this battleground, Sony should have expected this when they started their witch hunt.
It's fair, it's happening, it's not going to stop...
i work hard and i mean a real job unlike these bastard computer hackers and im trying to get on socom to unwind from the good ol night shift but some twig boy computer hacker has it shut down. hollywood twig boys like this who think their badass should be locked up and learn what i like to call some cowboy education, i understand their reasons but mr geo hotz knowingly accepted the user agreement and sony has the right to do what they did, dont buy the product if you have a problem with the way it works. im pissed cause people pay good money for a ps3 and games and then some punk with a mustache beard gets angry and goes and ruins it for everyone. im sure sony will have it fixed soon. these anonymous guys run their mouth all over the internet but if iv learned anything its that the squeakiest wheel needs the most oil. im sure these kids are just all hat and no cattle
These absolute dick heads think that they are so good targeting sony whilst they do not see what they are actually doing. Unless this group is run by a bunch of complete and utter fucking imbosiles, they should be able to see that taking down PSN doesn't just affect Sony but it also affects the 100s of millions of people that go on PSN. These guys think that they are going to get support from the public and other PSN players whilst in actual fact we all think they are a bunch of retards that should stick to playing world of warcraft and worshiping the new computer that comes out from whatever fucking company apart from sony.
The only success you guys have is being complete assholes. No wait, that would be an insult to an actual asshole, I'll have to rethink the proper word for you arrogant pricks who think your cause is just. If you guys really want more support you all should find a gathering point and die in a massive fire.
The playstation network raised about £1,000,000 for the Japanese disaster. Fucking anonymous morons, if you want respect, show your faces, don't be anonymous. Pussies. See how well you fair in the real world. I guarantee they're too pussy to say who they are. String them up Sony! Good luck in nailing hotz, send him away for a long long time.
Anonymous you should all gather together and die in a fire. That would gain my support. <3
It is quite frustrating for those of us that have only playstation network for entertainment. They don't care about the public they just want to be self-centered jerks.
By going after "Geohot", Sony are simply trying to protect their livelihood, and the livelihoods of the companies that develop games for their console. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.
I can understand Anonymous views on this.. however personally attacking or targeting familys is not appropiate in my eyes. It would be like going after a soldiers family member because he/she is a soldier. They use the UN symbol behind this blank faces.. so one would have thought they would use common sense and just attack the psn or sony and the lawfirm.. As annoyed as I am that I cant play online.. I see there views..
Who did Sony step on? You're taking crap. Who cares about hotz' family? Not Sony, they're not going after them. But here we have sad, sad loners trying to go after Sony employee kids. It's pathetic. Anonymous have lost any respect they had, Sony are doing nothing wrong. If you created a product, and someone jeopardised it's success, would u sit back and take it? No. You would want to eliminate the cause of the problem, in this case that ugly moron hotz.
Arseholes, you think taking down the network will win you sympathy for your cause? WRONG WRONG WRONG ! why do I and Manu others have to have our enjoyment spoilt? Track 'em and hang 'em out to dry Sony !
The hackers have messed up BIG. This, of course, makes Sony look bad, but the hackers are supposed to be doing the things they do for consumer rights. However, they have turned everyone against them now and no is going to support them. A company like Sony will be able to solve this problem anyway, so really it is just a waste of time.
The term "Hacker" is a fairly broad term. By stringing up all "Hackers", you're also stringing up innocent people, like Security consultants, iPhone jailbreakers, android rooters, software designers, hardware designers, pretty much the entire computer industry. So to say something like that is somewhat narrow minded, and completely ignorant.
Because in reality, the whole of the computer user base can be divided in two: casual users and everything else. If you have ever modified a file for any reason to make something act or perform in a way that is different from the intended purpose, you're a hacker. Well geez, windows was never originally designed or intended to have customized desktops in the beginning editions. So if you've ever changed your background, you are benefiting from a developmental hack, and as such, are a hacker.
People are going to do what people are going to do. If it's not you they are after, what does it matter? If they have the ability to do what they (Anonymous) say, more power to them. Sony knew there would be backlash for this, so they reap what they sew.
These 'hackers' are so thick! I wasn't exactly in favour of Sony going after this hotz guy before, but now that these dicks are screwing with the systems of millions of people I really want Sony to nail this fool to the floor and go after all these little kids who are downloading the ddos software. As for going after individual families and innocent children, well now in my eyes they are the equivalents of paedophiles. I hope some serious investigations are done into this by organised crime teams. It's disgusting. Leave them in prison to rot. Let's see them try and hide behind their keyboard then.
Seriously? going after their family and Messing with peoples entertainment,over Geo's lawsuit. Didnt know geo has so many boyfriends. You guyz will get r@p3d by sony. Sony is doing a good job putting these lame hackerz away, and by the Ddos attacks seriously? what is this high school?
I agree, fuck this stupid group. That geohot deserves it, he was messing with something he shouldn't have. And now they bitch about the consequences, lol
I hope he goes to jail for ten years. Millions of people can't get on PSN right now, which is what they are wanting to do in their own free time. Typical kid behind a computer. He thinks he is invincible. I had a kid not older than 10 cuss me like noone else ever has. Send him to jail, please. JAIL JAIL JAIL
Hackers should be strung up by their fingers until they rot and fall off.
People who hack and do things like this, don't ever think of the little people that they hurt. I have playstation to watch tv. My only tv. And with playstation down. NO TV! Not good, Not good....!
lol