Wikileaks gets booted off Amazon

No surprise there then eh, America policing the world again. It's about time somebody made the public aware of the crap that goes on under the tables of power.

Wikileaks should just find itself another provider, i'm sure the Russians wouldn't mind hosting it LOL ;)

Secrets allow gov't to implement tyranny.

These *cables* aren't in any way *necessarily* secret, and are in many ways trivial.

In any case, the cables are totally eclipsed by the daily fact that US (and UK) gov't are still -- after twice as long as WW2 -- murdering innocent people in their own countries, after invasions based on lies, solely for empire and the benefit of military-industrial complex.

If you aren't "naive", then you're to some degree complicit in those murders, and defending the murderers.

Perhaps what goes around comes around? I'm hoping Wiki pays dearly for there evil ways which have endangered the lives of many.

Youre missing the point. Politicians and administrators are elected and paid *by us* to act *on our behalf*.

If they are allowed to keep secrets from us, then how do we know that they are doing their job efficiently and effectively? How do we know that they have not given in to the many moral hazards associated with their positions?

This is not a debate about a bit of playground tittle-tattle, it is about official public policy. And it *should* be in the public domain.

Or, to turn their own words around against them: what are they afraid of if they have nothing to hide?

You're very naive. If every "secret" or bit of discretionary information were shared with the rest of the world by a friend of yours, would you share any "private" information with that friend anymore? The promise of secrecy allows individuals to speak more candidly about topics, especially when certain opinions and information is not meant for certain parties to hear. Often the promise of secrecy allows parties to show perceived "weakness", compromise, negotiation, and understanding, where it may be inappropriate in a public situation.

You speak of transparency as if leaks are a means to that end, but the result may very well be just the opposite: where the formerly communicating parties only operate through public channels where "national" and political pride is well maintained. Do you think North Korea will ever allow its leaders to lose face for negotiations, or for that matter the US? Russia? China? Any leader?

Are you a real, independent, thinking individual?

Or a parrobot (parrot+robot) of a now artifice, imperial, oligarchical agenda?

Boycott Amazon this Xmas? No need for me, I use Best Buy!

US taxpayers paid for that information and they have a right to read it. It should never have been secret in the first place, it is not strategically sensitive. This furore is all about pride.

The US has made a series of mistakes related to pride. GWB wouldnt go to the UN because he was too darn proud and his toady little chum TB was too much of a weasel to tell him to do the right thing. The US still haven't apologised for IR655 which would be the thing to do if it was an accident. They could have saved everyone a lot of trouble if they had done so in a timely and a civil manner, but no they are too proud..

Pride is unecessary when you are the de facto greatest single national power in the world and this mistake has cost the USA dear even though it was a lesson they didnt mind teaching the fading British empire after the end of WW2.

This Wikileaks phenomenon is a chance to put things back on track.

Transparency allows no room for pride and though uncomfortable in the short term, it is the peaceful way forwards for world peace.

If you can see that we need to go beyond national pride or be destroyed by it, then you can surely understand why IMHO Wikileaks is our friend.

Typical. Makes me sick.

@LPF they closed it 'under pressure' from the gesta..oops, I mean homeland security, and not under mandate by law, that should tell you something and is quite significant.

Also about those emails, we already know they are all read by the same 'officials' who shout 'oh our poor privacy' already, don't you? Been living under a rock in a coma have you?

Furthermore the government are public officials, their e-mails are actually required by law (in the US) to be logged and recorded and accountable since they are documents that fall under the public property seeing they work for the people.
So no you cannot compare personal communication with communication for public office work to try to argue a weak point (on behalf of exposed corrupt bastards I might add).

If it is illegal under the law for amazon to host then a legal summons should be the one making them stop service, and not some immoral phonecall from a nutter in homeland security, that's not what a democracy (or even a republic)is about.

The documents were leaked.

The point is if you want to get into technicalities, the documents were not stolen by Wikileaks, they were given to Wikileaks. So in this case Wikileaks act exactly like a reporter (only a much better one that actually does it's job) nothing more.
If you want to talk about stealing, treason etc, then find and blame whoever gave the documents to Wikileaks.

Yes, there is justification for the publications. It makes people aware of how rotten is out economic and political system.
It gives people hope that some day this system may very well collapse for a better one to come. It shows how week all these figures that we see on TV really are.

When I send an e-mail, I don't decide for the fate of millions of people. If I did, the content of my e-mail should be in the public domain.

Oh, and calling Julian a retard just shows how smart you are. Check out what the guy has accomplished, let me know if could do half of it.

Its got nothing to do with censorship, wikileaks is pubishings details of cables that had beens stolen from the US gorvernment. Not to expose curruption but to cause problems for the US and its allies.

Unless of course you can jusitfy the publication of what the Bank of England government said in a private email to someone else on his assessment of the financial experience of the incoming government as exposing some sort of curruption.

This is tawdy Sh*t stirring and we all know it. If there was some conspriacy to expose thne expose it, but how is trying to set back diplomactic relations for various parts of the world fighting curruption?

Also I wonder if you would be so happy, is some retard nicked all your emails and then decided to leak them drip feed style all over the net just for the hell of it.

Please Boycott Amazon this Christmas.

They removed the Wikileaks website. Not only the leaked cables but the whole site. This is not even legal. A (former) Bookshop should respect freedom of speech more than that.