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Pentagon wants to censor Wikileaks
THE US MILITARY is demanding that Wikileaks remove all documents that expose it killing thousands of innocent women and children in Afghanistan and carrying out ex-judicial killings on behalf of local warlords.
According to Reuters, the Associated Press and the Sydney Morning Herald, the Pentagon has demanded that Wikileaks no longer publish any additional documents that show it in a bad light and hand over 15,000 secret Afghan war records that it has not yet published.
Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said that not embarrassing the US military was "doing the right thing" and he hoped Wikileaks would "honour our demands".
It said it owned all the documents and all the classified material in Wikileaks' possession were the property of the US government.
We don't think the Pentagon should hold its breath. In a Twitter message, Wikileaks called the comments "obnoxious" and a "formal threat against Wikileaks".
The US Defense Department said the leak, one of the largest in US military history, put US troops and Afghan informers at risk and Wikileaks might already have blood on its hands.
This was rather rich because the United States and its military-industrial complex centered in the Pentagon have the blood of uncounted millions of people on their hands over the last 65 years and counting.
However, asked what the Pentagon would do next, Morrell told the AP that it was up to the FBI and Justice Department to decide how to proceed.
"If doing the right thing is not good enough for them [Wikileaks], then we will figure out what other alternatives we have to compel them to do the right thing," he added.
Of course the right thing to the US government is always whatever the US military says is the right thing, and as the Wikileaks documents that have recently been released show in brutal detail, the US military has an unusual interpretation of what is 'right'. µ
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In my opinion, the closest thing to Nazi Germany in the Western World is the USA.
No offense to Americans, I'm only aiming at the US government here.
The war in Iraq, as we know, was made on a bunch of lies. 100k civilians killed nonetheless.
The patriot act, guantanamo, torture... But that is just the tip of the iceberg.
The scary things are the things that occur in secret, the things that the public can not oversee.
Things done by the government and for which the government is not accountable.
Secret trials and deportations. Courts secretly deciding whether or not it is allowed to tap someone's phone line.
And the option for agencies like the Secret Service and the CIA to submit undisclosed evidence in court.
They can tell a judge "we have a video showing the accused shooting the victim, but we can't show it because it's classified" and this is held as evidence.
I'm sure there are procedures to prevent abuse in all those secret proceedings, but the public does not know if the safety procedures are really efficient.
The public also never knows if "secret evidence" is real or a fabrication.
It could be decades before it is revealed to the public that a judge authorized taping somebody's phone. By then, if this authorization was not legitimate, it does not matter and nobody really cares anymore (would you care if you learned that in 1960 the CIA spied on an innocent man? I doubt it and neither would I care either).
I can understand some secrecy as being necessary, but I think right now there is way too much secrecy. The public has 0 information, and the people behind and in charge of keeping things secret are not held accountable for mistakes they might make.
The USA also has a very strict legal system, where punishment and revenge seems to be the purpose (many western countries focus more on protecting society and rehabilitating criminals than punishing).
Punishment is also more severe on average than in other Western countries.
As an example of how strict the justice system is, think of the case of Matthew White (google it).
Secret proceedings, government immune to accountability, excessively strict justice, waging illegal wars and excessive interference in the domestic matters of foreign countries...
The USA, due to the actions of its government, is probably the western country that is the closest to Nazi Germany today.
It may not be as bad as actual Nazi Germany, but it's close enough to be a matter of concern.
And at the moment it is growing closer to Nazi Germany every day.
I hope things will change over there. In the meantime, I think Wikileaks will balance out the abuse of the government of the USA. (I don't meant to say the US government is the only bad government, but as a European I do find the situation with the USA domestically and globally quite scary).
If the USA is at a point where a single bullet fired by a US soldier in Iraq has to be classified, then perhaps the USA should pull out of foreign matters a little bit.
Thanks to Wikileaks, the US authorities may have to think twice before playing god with the world from now on.
your application to work in the the FEMA Concentration Camp has been successful.
Please report to head office where you will be tattooed with a unique barcode number on the forehead. then you will be equipped with a cattleprod and fed steriods for rage management
i dont know what all the fuss is about
its perfectly normal behaviour for a fascist state
if you dont like it, overthrow them!
If only the U.S. had only rolled up into an isolationist armadillo after their tiny contributions in WW2.
The rest of the world would be a much better place if the U.S. had left the rest of the world to the tender mercies of the USSR and China and...
It's quite shocking. How relaxed, determined and unphased the soldiers are about killing the innocent people stood talking in the street.
And then when their friends try to lift the dead and injured into a van the helipcopter gunship opens fire and shoots children with the men.
Worth watching and listening too.
The Pentagon are asking for a cover up of the truth. Why? Because the public will not back their murder of innocent people.
Americans are just like everyone else.
The US leadership has some very dangerous elements, just like other countries. The problem is that there is only 1 superpower and that power is going unchecked.
I like American people, it's murderers and thieves I don't like. I also don't like people who try to cover up murder, like that Pentagon dude "Geoff Morrell".
The world would be a better place if they just practiced capitalism on those peoples of other countries. Pay them a fair price for their oil, gas, minerals and we will have peace and economic harmony.
The only people who will suffer are those make a living out of weapons, mass murder etc.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Can you read and understand a simple english construction of a sentence? No? Then, you believe in censorship, secrets, and a need to know(voters need to know everything in a republic). Are you to live ignorant of facts? Do you want to be spoon fed, or not to be?
There is no freedom in America, only an illusion of your need not to know.
Goodluck to you all.
"The US Defense Department said the leak, one of the largest in US military history, put US troops and Afghan informers at risk and Wikileaks might already have blood on its hands."
And the murderers that ordered the missions that killed innocent people are trying cover up their activities and say wiki is to blame???? if they didn't commit the crimes there would be nothing TO leak.
Yes there are criminals in our government, it's a constant battle to get rid of them (same for all governments). Unfortunetly they have the upper hand right now. The only chance I think we really have, is that they get old and die. I hope the trators get what they desirve sooner than later. I was so happy to see Dick C having heart issues, I hope he suffers in pain the rest of his evil life.
"And the wars that are fought are always with the intent of the greater good."
Yeah, right.
That's why we invaded Iraq, a country which threatened nobody and had nothing to do with 9/11 - but which had ample oil not under western hegemony.
That's why we expanded the Afghanistan mission from clearing out Al Qaeda into nation building - strategic Afghanistan where we've been trying to get a gas pipeline across for over 15 years - and ignored the real strategic threat in Pakistan.
That's why we allow Israel to blow up Palestinians and Lebanese to their heart's content, but ignore those people's calls for justice under U.N. resolutions.
That's why we threaten nearly nuclear armed Iran with war, yet allow India and Pakistan off the hook, while calling out Iran on supporting terrorism at the same time ignoring that the Saudis are actually the ones who support the terror groups which primarily target western interests. Those darn Saudis with their oil.
This nation used to be a great one, but we have completely lost our moral compass.
I can't believe the ignorance I'm reading here. First off releasing documents that are not yours is illegal regardless of the content. Second whether or not the US committed the offenses this article claims or not by putting these documents out there Wikileaks is only causing more death. As for all of the commenters that say the US is a dictatorship or is war happy, why don't you look at the deffinition of dictatorship. The US has 1 president, 1 VP, 104 senators, and a few hundred representatives, along with a 9 person supreme court. All of which are in the position to "dictate" the course of that country. And if you think they are war happy why don't you look at all the humanitarian missions that the US carries out, there are far more of them than there are wars. And the wars that are fought are always with the intent of the greater good. Unless you are going to educate yourselves on all the facts then don't talk. People like you and Wikileaks are whats wrong with this world.
Any time you hear the phrase "collateral damages" you can be assured it means 10,000 civilians wiped out. Itemizing this, you probably won't get those millions but, if you also take into account the deaths caused by capitalism, another one of those obscure words, you'll get those millions.
For the record, I'm all for capitalism and have nothing against killing weak civilians but, I do take affront at lying politicians hiding behind obscure phrases. I'd also be hard pressed to say guilty on a jury for anything at all on account of the patriot act and the criminal ways the feds tromp on my liberties in their gathering of evidence.
"This was rather rich because the United States and its military-industrial complex centered in the Pentagon have the blood of uncounted millions of people on their hands over the last 65 years and counting."
Why stop at 1945? Why did we waste American lives saving the weak-kneed British? I would gladly flush the cesspool that England has become to bring back one US soldier killed too young in WWII.
For those that have alot to say about America not having dicks and whatnot. Grows some. You are little children crying on your mums tit. If you only had the bollucks and stood for something other than the government feeding you (I mean the taxpayer) then you could open your mouth until then go back to school and get your A levels in history you scabbies.
We (along with the Brits) overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran in 1953 and installed the Shah - ultimately the people revolted and it went Islamic.
Our CIA recruited a guy named Saddam Hussein in 1959 as an assassin and eventually succeeded in supporting his rise to power along with Baathists in Syria.
We built a financing and support network for the Afghan resistance in the 1980's which ultimately led to the emergence of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, not to mention the emergence of militant Islamic groups and schools financed by the Saudis all over the world.
We goaded our old friend Saddam into a bloody war with Iran, then tricked him into believing we wouldn't punish him for invading Kuwait.
We were so obsessed with making a pipeline deal with the Taliban that we decided to ignore evidence they were planning to hit us.
We invaded Iraq instead of punishing the countries that supported Al Qaeda - Saudi Arabia, UAE, Pakistan.
When you get down to it, we're a pack of greedy, savage morons.
Now the Pentagon has specified an "enemy" and calls for censorship -- of course, the war is not against Wikileaks, but against *our* rights to know what our public *servants* are doing. It's not out of the question that the Pentagon quite literally created this enemy with its own (selected) documents.
The more one looks into the alleged Manning leak, the more questions arise. Manning seems quite careless, and somehow went directly to "former hacker" Lamo and confessed all via emails. It seems likely that Lamo is working with the feds to avoid prosecution for prior crimes, and in any case, he did go right to them.
Then there's the content of the "leak". As I've mentioned here, besides the crimes, the thrust seems to be that Afghanistan is lost and we must chase the "Taliban" into Pakistan and Iran, fitting what seems to be current plans. And Osama Bin Laden is resurrected in his "Goldstein" role, despite a lack of activity for 9 years and being thought dead.
Also, the media hoopla is this "blood on" Wilileaks hands notion, reversing facts so that actual war criminals are forgotten if not absolved.
In any case, looks like Wikileaks will be used as pretext for more control of the net. There's a bill in "Congress" (it no longer represents We The People but is really a corporate round-table) for effectively allowing journalism only by permission, and effectively outlawing Wikileaks.
So who benefits? Far from being a problem, Wikileaks is a multi-faceted "win" for the usual suspects.
if only the yanks had the weapons to stand up to their fascist dictatorship government....
wait a minute - they do!
maybe they dont have balls....
has demonstrated time and time again that is unworthy of denominations like free, open and democratic. It's a fascist military dictatorship unable to own up to its own actions, much like Italy only with a lot more innocent blood on its hands. As for the americans killed due to being exposed by wikileaks they've surely owned the right to the death penalty anyway so good riddance. The US - a cheap nation of war criminals who wouldn't recognise justice if it bit their dicks off. And what dicks anyway? They're all scared little ladies hiding in the dark with denial turned up to 11.
this has been played out with a plan.
TV and public news have been censored after vietnam but the internet has not been yet as proved.
i suspect the recent "meating" wikileaks had to pentagon was to show what juicy stuff they still got inside the encrypted Insurance file 1.4 GB
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Afghan_War_Diary,_2004-2010
to be exposed to public if any tragic accidents or blindfolded orange dressed vacations festival would soon occur.
Quote: "Now “Wiki-Leaks” is busy selling phony bin Laden* stories, having the long dead Osama humiliating the CIA by running around villages in Afghanistan selling vacuum cleaners.
What is our “leak” site really about?
This is a dead news cycle. The World Cup is over, lots of people on holiday and no major stories. Only in a dead news period like this, as Oliver Stone pointed out, could the Israeli controlled media dump a pile of lame rumors mixed in with box loads of chickenfeed, passing it off as the story of the century." - [end quote]
The full story is at Url.: http://forpressfound.livejournal.com/50309.html
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the rogue american government has been war-happy since the end of ww2
they also individually gain lots of financial profit from the misery they cause
unmitigated evil
They are counting Korea, Honduras, Columbia, Iran, Panama, and every other nation we overthrew or attempted to overthrow.
The cat's already out of the bag, so the battlefield has shifted to damage control and public relations, especially in light of what measures the US authorities will now undertake against the site and it's employees.
Just to be particular, can you itemise the statement "blood of uncounted millions of people on [the Pentagon's] hands", please?
I suppose this can be either (a) combatants and/or civilians killed in U.S. military actions or (b) people whose death came about partly because of U.S. actions, incluing altering a regional balance of power, or starting a fight and then going home.
And of course anyone can name Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam, but what are the other major American killing fields that we forget about? And I think there's breathta+ingly vast military aid from the U.S. to Israel, but I'm not sure whether that counts as Pentagon, and as plus or minus.