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Opera stands behind Adobe
ALTERNATIVE BROWSER OUTFIT Opera has come out in support of Adobe in its war with Apple over Flash.
The firm, which has seen its thunder stolen by Google's Chrome browser in recent months, told Techradar that a lot of content "is dependant" on Adobe's Flash technology and that removing support for it will result in not having "today's Internet".
However, the firm decided to temper its support for Adobe by saying that the future is "open web standards". Not happy with merely pointing out the closed nature of Flash, the Opera spokesman had a go at Flash by saying that any device that ran the software could be used to "cook an egg" due to its hefty resource usage.
Although Opera stunned the world when it managed to get its browser past Apple's censors and onto its App Store, on the desktop it has been overshadowed by Google's Chrome browser, which has seen impressive take up and speed improvements. However fortunes might change for the firm, since Microsoft has announced that it will not make upgrades to its Internet Explorer 9 browser available for Windows XP.
In a blatant bid to force users into forking out for Windows 7 by withholding further upgrades to Internet Exploder, the Vole might in turn give away IE market share to rivals such as Firefox, Opera and Chrome.
IE 9 will be Microsoft's first web browser version to support HTML5, which will mean decreasing dependence on proprietary technologies such as Flash. The more capable and secure alternative web browsers have already pledged support for the next HTML standard, meaning that Windows XP users who decide to use one of the many alternatives could end up with fewer security vulnerabilities thanks to Microsoft's withdrawal of IE upgrades. µ
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HTML5 will get better very quickly, while Flash won’t. This is because there is competition between different providers of HTML5-based browsers, but there is only a single realistic source—Adobe—for a Flash player.
Look at what happened to JavaScript—who would have thought it could have improved to be comparable in speed to proper compiled code? And all it took was competition between browser vendors to do it. The same will happen to HTML5.
You're a bit of a flat-earther.
HTML5 IDEs are on their way, relax. Flash has more than a decade of history, HTML5 is new. Have patience.
Flash isn't quicker than modern browsers (not including Firefox in its current form - Perhaps Mozilla 2.x?) for most things, and for the rest it's still early days. Browsers are going to continue to get faster.
A lot of companies have a vested interest in getting rid of Flash, just as they had to see IE's market share reduced. It will happen.
The <canvas element provides the potential for magnificent things that equal anything Flash is capable of. Some demo pages already exist on Opera and Apple web pages.
The irony of it all will be that this industry-wide drive to drop Flash and move to open standards is one big con to simply gain power. No one wants to hand code a HTML5 website complicated enough to do what Flash can, and that's the secret of their power. HTML5 IDEs will soon spring up that give you all the GUI goodness to create your W3C apps just as quickly as Flash. The standards might be open, but everyone's going to be tied well into IDEs that are controlled by big companies like Apple and eventually even Adobe.
You'll simply drag and drop to create a highly complicated <canvas element with an MP4 video fed into it that lets the user draw all over it and then save the results locally. It will contain a sea of Javascript, CSS and HTML5, but it'll all be generated automatically by the IDE, just like those horrible bloated SWFs that Flash's IDE makes every time you want to do the most simple task. Speed will, frankly, be the same. Flash is just fancy pre-compiled Javascript, really. JIT Javascript runtimes and other tricks mean there will be no speed loss for HTML5. if anything, HTML5 will be faster because it's all new, and there's a drive for speed from the very first lines of code. Flash is old and bloated, and it will take a very long time before Adobe completely rewrite it to make it more efficient without breaking old SWFs.
half the people still using XP are probably still using IE6 anyway.
HTML5 can't perform as fast as Flash. HTML5 requires extra programming work to work across various web browsers; Flash is cross-browser compatible. There are no solid tools or integrated development environments for HTML5; Flash has an advanced IDE that makes development a breeze. HTML5 does not support vector-line graphic animations; Flash supports this and animations look great in any resized resolution. HTML5 is poorly documented; Flash is highly documented, includes direct support from profressionals all over the web and Adobe. Flash programmers are highly in demand and get paid well for creating Flash graphic animations, ads, games, and applications; HTML5 programmers? huh...not high in demand at all or very popular.
Bottom line is...HTML5 will sink; Flash will continue to dominate the internet and will soon be available on ALL smartphones except for iPhone (and iPad). tsk-tsk.
This article just took away the few hopes I had on Opera.
It's sad to see the terms "free" and "Internet" coming apart day by day.
MS is pushing OS upgrades as it has nothing to do with the OS and everything to do with the GPU you are using.
Vista and Windows 7 both require higher level of graphics rendering (3D cards) and I don't know of many (if any at all) that do not have video accelerators within the GPU (except Intels older chipset graphics).
With the GPU Video acceleration BOTH H264 AND Adobe Flash are accelerated unless the Flash file is very old.
I don't know where Opera gets off saying trash like that unless they don't know how to code. Oh Yeah, Opera has a "remote run code" vulnerability in it right now...never mind.
For now I'll be kind and imagine Latif is an actual "independent" person and not a Ferret sock puppet. Only a complete Ferret arsekisser could possibly take a statement that claimed that you could cook eggs on a device playing Flash and say that it was pro-Adobe.
If you actually read the Opera statement it's not very pro-Flash at all. The only thing they say that could be construed as pro-Flash is "it's part of today's internet". This is merely an indication of it's current popularity and if you read between the lines they don't seem to think it will be such a big part of tomorrow's internet.
If you are still not sure of the difference,
FLV is only for the display of video...
SWF is NOT just the stuff that make those complex moving ads possible, but it also makes it easier & prettier to use many kind of forms, and organisation inside webpages...
So until we(your gran or mum!!) get a simple way of selecting what to stop, where, we are stuck..
It took ages for the new version of flash to be used for its *proper* purpose - the publicity demos were fantastic - but all great hopes were dashed when the advertisers got it going, breaking through all old prevention measures... damned shame that such artistic potential has been abused, meaning no-one wants it now... I stand ready to see how HTML5 et al will be abused by the advertisers.....
from the article I can't really tell that 'opera stands behind adobe' - also if you check other online mags the title is that completely different, more like opere joins ms and apple
Not if devellopers keep using it! The switch to alternatives, even if better and cheaper, has never been assured in the software field. There's too much overhead cost in learning new tools, besides the interia of, and active opposition of entrenched interests.
I'm *definitely* not for keeping Flash, wish it would DIE, but unless there's some actual compulsion to switch, it's going to be a while before it's gone.