Adobe's Flash and AIR come to Google's Android OS

I've always appreciated flash, it did things that couldn't be done with html 1-4. It's deserves a place in history, but it's not dead yet.
HTML5 will probable become the new standard, but not yet. When all the browsers support it properly and CSS3, then we'll see a move; I'm not developing for it yet, just like I don't develop for mac's, it's still an insignificant part of the market...
KMan, interesting comparison, is it 'over the top' enough though? ;)

Something to consider though is Google made funds available for Adobe to develop a Linux version of Photoshop/CS. Being free would be asking too much, but still, pure awesomeness. An Android version could be interesting too.

The way Apple and Adobes relationship is going, there is a possibility we may not see new versions of anything
on Apple's platform, and without Adobe, there's not much left. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

One other thing. Remember Adobes competitor, Corel, if memory serves me, they got a wad of cash from Microsoft recently, as a thank-you for 'feeding them'. Bet there more to come in that story...

Or perhaps Microsoft should 'give' Corel Silverlight, to combat Adobes Flash, and sponsor a royal rumble of the graphic company for dominance of the Flashie webverse, until 'HTML5 is alive' that is.

Perhaps Google just like forcing Flash upon youtube viewers?

It would be easier to swallow this load of crap if Adobe took Flash more seriously than they do. And by that I mean, I think the quality of their coding is HORRIBLY reminiscent of Microsoft back in the Windows 98 era.

The first version of Flash I remember installing was 7, and since then that and ever newer version I've used has had too many (for my liking) hangs/crashes, it leaks memory, has insecure default settings that are hidden from the user. And does it even have a working 64bit binary yet?

A lot of people have grown tired of Adobe's BS (me obviously being one :D).

I despise it. I wish it never existed. There is one and only one reason Flash has gotten as far as it has, and that is because of browser limitations at the time (most of which html5 *can* address, but will take years to fully adopt).

With that said, it is absurd and arrogant to lock a platform down to prevent people from using Flash or other technologies. My negative view of Flash is irrelevant is an opinion, a choice. Any platform that literally prevents non-native technologies is a joke... Yes, iPhone is a joke. It's very unfortunate that Apple has the mindless following it does. I also think the iPhone itself is a GREAT product - But I refuse to give Apple any of my money, as Apple ideal's are the complete opposite of mine.

Steve Jobs is up there with other tyrants, like Hitler. Sure he hasn't caused deaths, but the principle is about forcing ones views on the rest of the world, which is disgusting and quite pathetic.

Not completely, but there's a similar issue in Linux, although flash under Firefox on Linux just seems to stop working when in fact when left alone it will complete.

Not the case with Safari + Flash + Mac OSX. And some Mac users seem to be completely uninterested in using a browser that will offer the function they like without crashing and instead ask for the web to be reworked to suit them.

If the Safari browser and HTML5 platform are open standards, ask them about the HTML5 <video tag codec support in Safari. Yeah, proprietary rubbish used instead of open standards format; screw you Jobs.

I want to correct a couple things here. For one, Mac's laptops and desktop browsers allow for Flash, Safari, Firefox, Chrome, etc.

It's the iPhone and iPad that don't allow for flash. If you buy a Mac, you get the whole web.

Crashing flash is nearly always a result of the developer of the animation or app, NOT flash itself. Rare exceptions exists though for sure.

Next, it's not about HTML5 vs Flash in terms of openness on these devices. It's a misleading argument. the iPad and iPhone system are not open, neither are the apps. They are closed source, platform dependent and require approval as well as a strict developer license gag order and exclusivity. Now THAT more closed than Flash.

Browsers should support HTML5 AND valuable plugins like Flash and others if they help extend the experience. Users should have a choice for what they want on the iPad. If the iPad did have stablity issues with Flash, then it should warn the user before installing it, not prevent it all together.

"Most people I know don't run [Flash] in their PCs" - classic. Another chump who got an iPhone for Christmas, ended up buying a Mac and now thinks he's seen the light. Fact is, a great deal of web content and interaction is driven by Flash because a great deal of computers support it. NOT supporting Flash means you don't get to see that content. And the idea Apple promotes 'non-closed standards' is the biggest running tech joke of the last few years.

I don't think theinquirer supports flash because apple doesn't. Fact is, if I owned a mac, I wouldn't be able to do things like watch flash on newsgrounds, many flash based video players on the internet or play many browser based games. Whether it's open sourced or not is not the issue, the fact that Steve Jobs has decided to make it impossible to port it onto the Apple ipad/phone shows a disconcerting amount of disrespect for a widely adopted format.

If he had a problem with it being buggy or a cpu hog, he could have settled these with adobe discreetly. As it is, he's shot his mouth off and made it impossible for adobe to code for the ipad/phone. This isn't a business decision, or to improve user-end experience, but an arbitrary vendetta against a company already attempting to tailor their product to apple's sub-standard hardware.

Why do you Linux-lovers at the Inq like Flash so much? It is closed-source and a proprietary standard, and on top of that it is buggy and insecure. Most people I know don't run it in their PCs.

I know! you like it because Apple doesn't!

Way to go, Nick Jr!