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Nvidia's Fermi is delayed
NVIDIA HAS CONFIRMED that its already much-maligned Fermi GPU based graphics cards won't be seeing the light of day in 2009.
Nvidia will include Fermi-based GPUs in three different product lines - GeForce, Quadro and Tesla - in the first quarter of fiscal 2011 (January 26-April 26, 2010), said Jen-Hsun Huang, Nvidia's CEO, during a conference call with financial analysts, reports Digitimes.
Obviously this means that Nvidia will ship its new products based on the Fermi GPU range in 2010, instead of near the end of 2009 as originally planned.
This comes after Charlie Demerjian's sources confirmed Fermi's A2 revision had only just finally taped out - which if true meant that real world silicon wouldn't ship in 2009.
Considering that multiple sources are toeing the same line, it appears that Nvidia fans won't be seeing Fermi this side of Christmas. In fact, we tend to doubt they'll see graphics cards at retail before May.
A small ray of light for Nvidia comes in the form of apparent difficulties with TSMC's 40nm process - the same process currently producing GPUs on behalf of AMD.
It seems that AMD might not be able to take full advantage of Nvidia's delay, having to cope with delays in shipping its new 40nm-based Radeon HD5800 series. µ
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I'll admit my comments aren't directly related to the article, but anyway fanboys are great comedy relief!
People, it's a piece of electronics. You're not married to the thing. When ATI has the better product IMO, I'll buy that. When NVidia does IMO, I'll buy Nvidia. If a third manufacturer came out with a new novel product..guess what, I'd at least give it a look.
Anyway, you fanboys are wonderful comedy relief. If someone posts "ATI IS CRAP!" or "NVIDIA SUCKS!" they didn't kill your mom, they didn't kick your favorite puppy across the floor, they didn't spit on your girlfriend. So why does it upset you if they make a comment about a piece of electronics?
But thanks for being so devoted to well..a thing. :) Something that can't show any love or devotion back. :P
i love the mainstream card market these days, who doesnt?
but arma2 demands better than a 4870 to max out the pretty pretty settings, and thats not even at 1920x1080.
I am forced to wait patiently for a DX11 Nv card, while many find ATI cards the better deal and the better bang for the buck, I can't do without the one feauture the NV product has over the ATI product and that Stereo 3D (Thier 3D Vision Product), FOR ME that's what counts for my better bang for my buck. ATI can make a Video card that's 2X times better than what NV has to offer at the moment, but until they have a built in S3D functionality I will be forced to stick with my Nvidia products.
because 99.9% of the games out there run absolutely perfect on the current gen nvidia cards and the last gen ATI cards. Unless you are running some stupid resolution or three monitors it just doesn't make sense right now to break the bank on a high end video card. So Nvidia doesn't really care about the fanboys right now and are getting their ducks in a row with Tegra, Tesla and Fermi.
The high end market is dead, long live the mainstream.
@ Hefty: Please keep it clean - this is a (twisted)family forum
@ Dr Kirk: Surely it's only cheating if you get caught
@ Chris Evenden: if I were nVidia, I would start to tell people that 'just testing graphics' is 'wrong' and that journalists should test 'graphics with physics' - to try and find a 'test' where I could win
Overall, this should be a fun few months :~)
this sucks. nvidia dominates the high end, and has forever, has better drivers, and you can reliably force AA and AF in games (nhancer).
nvidia dominates for PC gaming.
sure nvidia pretty much killed dx10, but...
ati drivers just fucking suck: catalyst 9.9 is more responsive than 9.10 with my 4870 (same spiel when i had an x1950 pro - older drivers were better), my 4870 has vram fragmentation issues in arma2 which yields horrible artifacting; when installing new ati drivers under win xp i have to go through this BS: i uninstall my existing ati drivers manually, restart in safe mode, use driver cleaner pro to remove extra crap, manually delete an extra copy of the drivers in C:\ATI\Support, restart, install the new drivers, restart again, and then am done. and sometimes, the ati control panel mysteriously deletes itself.
i cant force AA or AF in games with an ATI card. :(
my old x1950pro didnt specify i needed a very strong PSU 12v rail, so id get weird errors.
ATI customer support was a wet turd of a joke and in no way helped.
with nvidia cards, i install the new drivers, and AM DONE. no deleting old drivers, even no restarting!!!
most importantly though, everything works properly and i can force AA and AF.
the 4870 might be the last ATI card i ever get.
tessellation is awesome, but damn, drivers....drivers...
take your time nvidia, make it right.
NO one likes nvidia, it's a crappy company I'm surprised it is still around. Where are you nvidia fanboys scared to show your face? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH
Have to say that I have never heard the graphics market summed up so precisely.
Not like back in my day, when a simple doubling of the pipelines was enough to give you global domination.
These days, you need to dominate the benchmark. Once you have that under control, the rest will follow.
Even if it means embedding special code into products like Batman. You get the win any which way you can.
Problem is that if you show this kind of 'background work' to the public, they simply think you're cheating.
What's a doctor to do?
"You're all missing the point.
Graphics/games etc is like an oil tanker.
Loves a big load and a clear direction. Might be slow to start, but once underway - a bugger to stop.
All the time that Jen Hsun and Co were passing round the 'A1-super-glued-together-silicon' examples of what Fermi WILL be like in x months time...
...Ruby's Developer Relations team will have been handing out the final silicon like there's no tomorrow.
That silicon will be used to help create 'final code' for multiple games.
Developers want those games on the shelves AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, because they are haemoraghing money like there's no tomorrow and need games to launch
If ALL of the main games launch early with strong/positive influence from AMD... then that will ensure that ALL of the benchmarks are fair... and how can nVidia possibly win in such an environment ?
Now THAT's the question"
Said Chris Evenden
As you Dear Leader, I pledge you to wait confidently, that as soon we figure out how to make it, you will be blessed with our late, overpriced and underperforming mammoth.
Mainstream and value segments, you might want to sit down a little bit, perhaps for a year or so...
GloFo doesn't have an 40nm process yet, but if I ask, they will make it work instantly too.
Keep waiting and save you pennies!
Thas been old for along time/
But about drashek, makes good points half the time. But i could have sworn he was beeing moderated.
Yup Nvidia sucks. Still waiting for my 5870 to ship. I've been waiting 2 weeks already wtf where is it. They said it's back ordered I bet nvidia is causing this!
...when you start to understand what Drashek is writing about!
Seriously. I'm weirding out right now!
Every Wonder what Happens when Make ALL Articles Up. sometimes Manufacturers Get angered. heres Example:
HD 5870X2 (HD 5970) running at stock speeds
—-Editor’s Note: These benchmarks of an unreleased engineering sample have been removed at AMD’s request and are not at all representative of final hardware’s performance. AMD was quick to let Ultee' know that the board, the drivers and the BIOS are not finalized. Also, please note that according to AMD, the following leaked pictures are not the final card as this is an engineering sample.
Here Engineering Is Spelled Imagineering.
drashek theSORROWFUL.
newest article out today yet upon close inspection, that Rag Muffin took date 10-11-2009 & reissued exact samearticle as 2009 11-10 or ?todays date. never trust anyone. Anyway beleive facts are correct & nvidia fermi Is News today, just article bit stale& repackaged.
Shaharraee' Hey Blame Myans, Its ALL Gonna end anyway.
drashek
It is nice to see INQ to give Charlie a credit for reporting first and long time ago. As for Charlie's haters, grow up, it is not about fanboism, it is about digging up the facts and truth. Charlie seems to thrive on digging and he has good sources, balls and brains and that is why we adore him :)
lol.
Drasheks two links contain the exact same story, word for word, plus it's way over a month old and as such, out of date. Pull your socks up matey. And also, please, stop using babelfish or whatever to translate your weird moon language.
About the "correct" marketing strategy, should've AMD pulled a nVidia and price their 5800 series at outrageously high prices? ;-)
BTW, check this out:
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16351/1/
Apparently Dear Leader is an Apple convert, perhaps all nVidia fanbois should become Apple users now?
^__^
You're all missing the point.
Graphics/games etc is like an oil tanker.
Loves a big load and a clear direction. Might be slow to start, but once underway - a bugger to stop.
All the time that Jen Hsun and Co were passing round the 'A1-super-glued-together-silicon' examples of what Fermi WILL be like in x months time...
...Ruby's Developer Relations team will have been handing out the final silicon like there's no tomorrow.
That silicon will be used to help create 'final code' for multiple games.
Developers want those games on the shelves AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, because they are haemoraghing money like there's no tomorrow and need games to launch
If ALL of the main games launch early with strong/positive influence from AMD... then that will ensure that ALL of the benchmarks are fair... and how can nVidia possibly win in such an environment ?
Now THAT's the question.
Today Nvidia gave few More Facts Out here:
http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7362 or Here:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-fermi--arriving-in-q1-%202010/7786.html?doc=7786
Plus ATI did 5850 today. Its Nice Two Step, yet Bit of slouch For Bucks....
drashek
"Means nothing. What's the profit?"
$107M+
I agree. But it's a marketing issue regardless as it impacts on ATI sales. The shortcomings in the manufacturing process should have been known about. I believe the yields are 60% which is too low for the demand. ATI should have fully investigated Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company's probability of manufacturing on a large scale with higher yields.
I know NV are tied to them too so Fermi will suffer as long as ATI are. Apparently it's Intel's fault (i read this somewhere else :P)
The reason that there is a shortage of ATI cards is mainly that TSMC can't make enough. They just can't seem to get their 40nm process yields up, and 32nm is looking even worse. This isn't a marketing problem, it's a manufacturing problem. ATI is already selling all the cards that TSMC can manufacture.
ATI will switch to Global Foundries as soon as it can, but until then it has to deal with TSMC's problems.
Also, while nVidia doesn't particularly like Global Foundries, due to their close ties with AMD, they may also have no choice but to switch over if TSMC can't get their act together.
I knew it would come to this. To fanboys of both sides STFU. In what is the cutting edge of tech development (40nm process and Fermi's architecture)there are bound to be problems. To ATI fannies - ATI screwed up royally with it's marketing. How many 5800's can you find online for sale? None in stock. Shoddy shoddy shoddy planning. To the NV fannies - Fermi is much delayed and NV miscalculated the red camp's product. The 5800 will, i believe, be trounced by the Fermi design but at what cost to the consumer? And besides, the 5800's ARE excellent products. Both sides can sit back and chill, ATI win for now and we'll see what happens when Fermi comes out. My guess? Once 40nm is stabilised, the 5800's drop i price to make Fermi a powerfully impressive white elephant.
Means nothing. What's the profit?
"they have failed to execute on 2 generations, they pissed off a lot of their partners with bump gate, and the economy continues to destroy the high end video card market."
Wow, strange, q3 2009 NVDA reported revenue of $903.2 million, up 16.0% from the previous quarter. The core GPU business showed strength in this quarter, up almost 25.0% sequentially. In this segment, desktop and notebook GPU segments were up 19% and over 41%, respectively, quarter over quarter. What about AMD/ATI?
Nvidia is in very bad straights right now. They are attempting to compete against two CPU platform companies, they have failed to execute on 2 generations, they pissed off a lot of their partners with bump gate, and the economy continues to destroy the high end video card market.
The new Zune doesn't look like it is setting the world on fire.
Their best hope is to be bought by a big player at this point.
I think you'll find that your puppy is crying because JHH hacksawed its a*se off and screwed woodscrews into its head ;o)
Awww, don't get mad bublil. Charlie was right all along and to cover your little ego you try and bash him. Do not hate the messenger, and please get over yourself.
I have a sad puppy right here that cries for every day Fermi is delayed. Please think of the puppy.
I've added Semi Accurate on my favs .. nothing quite like some home truths to really ruffle some nVidian fanboi's feathers.
Too often i hear .. "oh dont buy the ATI5850 as Fermi is gonna wipe the floor with it" .. aha .. and when is that gonna be?
as usual, ATI trolls start this "charlie said this", "charlie said that" parade. like who cares?
every monkey can spam rumors.
when these become false, then "its was just a rumor", but when it eventually appears to be true, then your pathetic messiah "charlie said" is mentioned everywhere.
Charlie said this was going to happen back in the Summer, and faced the ridicule of the tech press. Now everyone is confirming his story.