Problems with 40nm

Blake what a duche, you are such a nvidia fanboy.

yes it's in short supply, and the card does exist and has been bench marked but if I can't get a hold of one because of stock shortage it's just as good as not existing. I can't buy one and I want one, week after week delays and now the price is going up. Ya it's a better card then anything nvidia has but I can't get a hold of one. I have been trying and I am still waiting with no answer when it will be shipped.

Everyone expects the new generation of cards to be faster. To think nvidia will be slower then ati's offering? That would be foolish. They had more time to work on it. Same way everyone knew 5000 series would be faster then anything nvidia has.

In the end who cares about ati and nvidia it's who has the fastest card with the best price at the time you want to buy.

Hopefully Nvidia didn't have all it's egg in one basket and rely totally on TSMC. There are other foundries that Nvidia mentioned earlier with partnerships i.e. GloFo and Chartered???

So you have a choice of ordering cards that are in short supply, but exist in real life, have been bench tested by multiple reputable sites and have satisfied owners in the real world, OR you can pre-order a HIGH END ONLY card that hasn't been built yet, is unlikely to arrive before christmas (indeed worst case it may be delayed into Q2 next year) and is built on the same process that is causing the above shortage?

Tricky choice that, isn't it?

for everyone. Poor yields, high prices. paper launches, poor channel supply. delays delays delays. CRAP

Hey Nathen with limited stock of the 5000 series if they didn't sell out they would be in trouble. I don't think your store had 100 cards of 5000 series, I bet just a few of each.

AMD has the market to themselves? Are you kidding me this is almost as bad as a paper launch. You can't even buy the card if you want it and retailers have no idea when it will be in stock. They will gain nothing unless they can start shipping out tons of cards quickly.

See nvidia screws up again. When will they learn ATI/AMD would never have done such a crapy thing. I'm surprised they are not bankrupt.

To say Nvidia is currently desperate is an euphemism:

Yes, the yield of Fermi is 2%. Yes, Fermi's die is 80% larger than ATI's Cypress. Yes, the whole GT200 series (Save the 295) as been EOLed coz they can't compete on price, performance and feature. Yes, Nvidia WON'T make it for Christmas, especially with current TSMC problem. As a matter of fact, it's practically impossible Nvidia won't need a second or even a third respin of their 40NM process that tapped for the first time just weeks ago, which mean no Fermi before at least February/March, or as far away as April/May 2010!! (Some even speculate later than June...) Yes, the Fermi architecture is MUCH more focused on the HPC market than the gaming one. That's a very risky bet on Nvidia part since the GPGPU HPC market is still non-existent.

Now, what Nvidia have going for them?

70% installed base? But that's the past and present, not a guarantee for the future. A catastrophic fake Fermi "launch"? Only an unconvincing video showing some numbers, with a really bad moke-up and no real hardware crunching those numbers in real time? 2 failing non standard API, Physx and CUDA. One supporting only 10 games out of which 8 are really bad and the other locking their foolish early adopters that now need to invest even more money to be compliant with OpenCl standard programing environment.

Do I need to mention Nvidia very bad attitude and rapidly growing enemy list in the industry in the past few years?

Nvidia is a fucking joke right now and to be honest, it's very sad. We need at least 2 healthy competitor to make the industry progress and keep the price low.

Jen-Hsun Huang need to go, period.

NOTE: And for the utterly stupid saying ATI rolled out 40NM to early, go read some history book instead of insulting everybody else intelligence. ATI 40nm has been ready since Q1 2009. They had PLENTY of time to refine their process and even lunched with time to spare to secure all purchase (at the very least the first 3 to 6 months!!) associated with Win7 launch and capitalizing on the Christmas rush. Brilliant move and strategy from ATI to checkmate Nvidia.

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For those who think that the problem affects ATi more than nV I have bad news:

Cypress die size: 293mm2
GT300 die size: 530mm2

Not counting on various reports that go from worrisome to abysmal on the Gt300 specific yields, any TSMC manufacturing problem will affect nV significantly more than ATi just on die size alone.

And also the tiny detail of the 5800 series being so successful as to being practically sold out, while whatever comes out from nV will have lower numbers/availability and higher prices.

Nope, while the problem bothers both firms, nV has more to lose than ATi on this one.

PURPOSELY holding out and waiting. The may have been SMART for continuing the lifecycle of the DX10 stuff longer, but 40nm is not a DX10/DX11 argument. 40nm allows dx10parts to be mfg'd for less, to consume less power, etc.

I think that nV was FORTUNATE that this delay occured, because it effectively ceases any momentum ATI COULD have gained by jumping out ahead in DX11.

BUT THEN AGAIN, without very many DX11 titles (how many are there, two and a benchmark?) This 40nm setback may not change much.

Why does news like this ( if you call this news ) always bring out the stupity in people.
...@Nebukadnezzah
Do you ever sit back and then look at what you post to get a general idea of how it looks ? Your remarks just come across as some childish kid that really doesnt know much expect how to turn/off his Xbox.
I work for a local PC shop and can tell you guys stright up that ATI's new 5000 series GPU have all sold out by the 2nd week we got the cards , ALL OF THEM.
We have some 4800 series and many of Nvidia 200's series.
While the output of ATI's new cards might not be up to there liking , the fact remains that they are selling out faster then we could have thought.
Nvidia seems like they will be missing the Xmas season and that is a major blow to them , I hope it is not the case. You can't ever hope to make up those lost sales at Xmas.

"This was to be expected. AMD rolled out 40nm too early. nVidia was smart to hold back and wait while building a better chip. Fermi will probably drive AMD to backruptcy when it hits the shelfs."

Clear proof as to why nvidia fanboys are brainless morons, clearly incapable of understanding just how the world works.

Good luck - if nVidia's card is as good as you're pretending it's going to be - actually paying a decent price for it.

I somehow think AMD will be quite safe. Thankfully the world doesn't seem to be completely full of idiotc brainless fanboys like yourself.

Otherwise the world would be in a shit load of trouble.

"This was to be expected. AMD rolled out 40nm too early. nVidia was smart to hold back and wait while building a better chip. Fermi will probably drive AMD to bankruptcy when it hits the shelfs."

You don't see the outside much do you. I am a current Nvidia owner but I understand this much. If 40% yields are all they can make and that is not enough to supply ATI, Then what is Nvidia going to do for chips if ATI is eating up all the yield %. So if they dedicate 10% of the 40 for Nvidia you can see where Im giong with this , Nvidia is going to be pushed behind ATI simply because the company making the chips cannot make enough for one company, so one of the companies is going to get held back, guess which one it is ?? So Yeilds get better lets say 60% , guess what, ATI is going to need 40 at least, if not 50, then Nvidia is still held back due to restraints. The Graphics card market fell through the basement for Nvidia, ATI gained a % or 2, Nvidia fell 20%ish. Intel gained the rest in discrete graphics. That means Nvidia is hurting in every area except this one, and they are hurting in it also, just not as much. So they are trying to make new areas with the Tegra ect... Nvidia is hurting, we all know it, Fan boy or not.

Nothing like releasing a product and making me wait forever. Amazon still has them out of stock. Newegg had none and jacked up the prices which is why I went amazon. This won't hurt NV much. I'm after a 5850, not sure of what other models are short too. But I've been waiting for 2 weeks already. They said they'd email me when they had a due date. Nothing yet. XFX 5850. If you have nothing to sell, you're enemy isn't losing any of it's sales. This is just what the doctor ordered for the late GT300. Merry xmas Nvidia and DAMN you ATI...LOL. Just give me my card man... :)

nVidia was smart to hold back? You HAVE to be kidding. nVidia DESPERATELY want a DX11 part to compete with against ATI/AMD, but initial yields on their Fermi chip were just horrible (less than 2%, never mind 40%). Until they get things sorted then ATI have the market to themselves with their mainstream 5700 and performance 5800 series parts.

If TMSC can't make enough 40nm parts for ATI to fill demand then this gives nVidia a small break but it doesn't look like nVidia are going to be seriously back in the game this side of Christmas.

This was to be expected. AMD rolled out 40nm too early. nVidia was smart to hold back and wait while building a better chip. Fermi will probably drive AMD to backruptcy when it hits the shelfs.