Shuttleworth praises Windows 7

No wonder the people at microsoft think that their ms operating system works better than other operating systems! try google'ing "DSDT intel microsoft"

.it seems that most of the modern bios' are compiled using the microsoft non-fully compliant ACPI compiler?.it "appears" that it only checks for errors in the "microsoft operating system section" of the "DSDT table" and leaves errors in the "other operating system(osx & linux)section"of the DSDT table.Therefore APCI in mswindows works well.the rest of us have ACPI errors ie sleep/hibernate/cpufans/overheating/cookedcpu/random_reboots/no_sensors not working.etc.
help yourself and do some google'ing on this problem.it appears to have been going on for years?
what do you think ?

Yes, Linux is very much ready for prime time. I've watched the industry for 25+ years now and Linux is way past prime time capabilities. It is a highly configurable, highly stable, elegantly designed, technically superior, full featured, and totally freely available OS that puts to shame many OSes of the recent past and even present.

Anyone claiming Linux is not ready for prime time is a shill of some other organization and/or they have absolutely never used it over the long haul.

On netbooks anyone saying there are issues with drivers are totally and utterly bonkers. Netbooks have had support for all their hardware from the get go, as most of the netbook manufacturers were incorporating Linux before they released Windows versions.

What can be said to have caused the decline was that Microsoft's monopoly forces influenced manufacturers with inexpensive XP. People were more familiar with XP than Linux. If the manufacturers spent more time educating the public there would have been less of an impact with XP and more of a general consensus on how good Linux actually is.

What Microsoft did was after releasing Vista they claimed that there were no more product keys for XP due to how long XP had been out there. When manufacturers began incorporating Linux Microsoft miraculously managed to come up with more of those product keys. They were using the excuse of a lack of product keys as a way to force manufacturers to incorporate only Vista into their offerings. Frankly, that should be looked at by the authorities and deemed anti-competitive (since Microsoft is known to use those types of tactics in the past and those types of tactics resulted in them becoming a criminally convicted predatory monopolist.)

You know, if you haven't actually used Linux for a long duration (taken the time to learn it and to accept that it is not a Windows clone), then you have no right to speak. If you are just reiterating what the other shills are saying you are utterly incompetent.

Everyone should be happy that there's a competitor that can influence the market; Linux certainly does that. Linux will begin a steady and firm march into homes as soon as the Microsoft shills and fanboys learn become adults and look upon competition as a good thing. I often wonder how these people can continue their flatulence of the mouth as they have. It's really a sad thing to see these people spewing forth without showing any credible reasoning behind what they say, yet it continues on.

I have used Linux for quite a while now, although not as my main PC simply due to the fact many Windows games do not work.

Yes WIFI is a bit of a tricky area, a lot of cards specifically Atheros ones do work out of the box. So if you are looking for a wifi card make sure to buy one that works. If not then just use the Windows NDIS drivers with ndis wrapper.

ATi (AMD) and nvidia driver although not as good as the windows versions are getting better. I agree that is not really usable though (specificity ATI).

I don;t really understand what else you need, if it wasn;t for the gaming aspect I would be running linux as my desktop OS right now. I still used Linux as a network server though sharing drives and net connection, something that windows is simply not good at out of the box.

My home system runs on XP because I built it when I enjoyed games a lot.

My mother's laptop has both XP and Ubuntu, and I always boot on Ubuntu when I'm using it. Ubuntu boots faster and does everything I need - Firefox, e-mail, Youtube, music, DVDs, spreadsheets.. It could be that the XP install is dirty/bloated by misuse, but I've been given a great opportunity to discover Ubuntu and I honestly wish everyone had that chance. If you won't be needing sophisticated games, Ubuntu does the job and can even be booted off a CD!

Enjoy both of the worlds!
Cheers

When reading comments, re: Windows vs. Linux, it may be useful to consider what may be influencing the poster to write what he/she wrote:

- Microsoft is a multi-billion dollar company which has a fat wallet and historically has been shown to pay individuals to post pro-Microsoft statements on sites like these.

- Linux is usually free, and Linux companies earn a modest income via commercial support contracts (and do not have the budget to grease palms and pay people to post comments).

So, if someone takes the time to recommend Linux, this is most likely because they have had good experiences with it and want to help others out (saving money, having a secure computer, and so on). If someone takes the time to recommend Windows, it could be because they are being paid to do so, or that they have vested interests in keeping high-maintenance Windows systems in the majority (eg, MCSE IT service companies that make money from patching, virus removal, Windows maintenance, and so on).

Having said that, Windows will not "just work" on hardware, it needs drivers (graphics, wireless, network, sound, and so on). You need to load these drivers and check out if they are operating correctly, which is work. Linux has "most" drivers for common hardware built-in. Cannonical (or Novell) makes it very easy to load any other drivers you require from their repositories. If you need help doing this, their help forums and Wikis are always there to help you (again, mostly run by people who are unpaid and just want to help you out, in other words, nice people). Microsoft also supplies some free support (via paid employees), or for more difficult problems (such as network and domain/server issues) you can pay them $259 per call during business hours (or $515 per call after hours...http://support.microsoft.com/gp/Advancedef/)(or buy an expensive support contract from them).

I am sure there are many people working for Microsoft support that really like their jobs, but I like the idea of people helping each not just because they are being paid to do it (or posting comments for the same reason). That's why I and my extended family have happily used Linux as our primary operating system for desktop and notebook use for the last eight years, and why I choose to freely help others save money and have more secure, faster systems. Sure, there is a learning curve when switching from XP to either Linux or Win7, but only the Linux curve sets you free from constant financial obligations, security problems, and subjugation to the rich people running Microsoft (which already has quite enough money, IMHO).

I tried Ubuntu 9.10 on my netbook and instantly I had no sound! Also, FireFox needed a flash player add-in which downloaded and corrupted on install. Plus Ubuntu Netbook Remix looks like crap. Don't fall for this linux propaganda. I installed Windows 7 (I have 2 hard drives)and everything works great! Sure you pay for it, but if Linux worked well, I wouldn't mind paying for it as well. Of course, if you want to pay too much for linux, you can always buy a Mac.

Sorry, no, it doesn't "just work". For example: it doesn't "just work" with wireless adapters. Go here

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported

and look at all the "No" indicators for "Works out of the Box".

This is NOT to say that Windows has no problems; it does. But all the BS hype about Linux "just working" is at best a lie and at worst deceptive advertising.

Those that frequent this type site are generally much more "into" computers and can do a much better job of making any OS work the way they want it to. But the success of any "commercial" venture (and never fool yourself that Linux et al doesn't want to be a commercial venture)is it's success in the market place.

Like it or not, Linux as a desktop OS is a dismal failure and a very distant "also ran" behind, and compared to, Microsoft Windows 90%+ worldwide adoption. You can argue it's technical merits all you want to, but until such time Linux actually mounts a successful challenge to Microsoft's dominance and actually becomes a serious threat it's status in the world of OS adoption will remain insignificant. Linux is nothing more than a horse fly to Microsoft buzzing around all the time, biting every now and then, and causing minor local skin irritation. To unseat Microsoft, Linux needs to ditch the pitiful, sitting down and cowering, monkey grinning, already beaten Penguin. Penguins just don't survive, or thrive, in a world of Microsoft bears.

I've been using it for a few months now and it seems pretty good on the desktop of several PCs and several laptops. I haven't found any driver issues and I haven't had to use the command line. OpenOffice more than adequately serves my needs. If I weer a huge PC games fan I don't think I'd go for Ubuntu but for most other things I will stick with it.

On the contrary I have found driver issues with XP, which since the latest SP won't allow me to install my printer drivers. Overall XP isn't too bad (although it has just started locking up for some seconds when I open explorer, don't know why and it doesn't always do it), but I'm not willing to pay to go to Win7, I just can't see anything there I'd want to pay for.

I'll agree with your comment to the other guy about using linux for "powerful things". That comment is the result of ignorance.

I will disagree with your "It just works" statement about Ubuntu. I had weeks of nightmares trying to get first an Nvidia driver to work, then an ATI driver. It's the biggest reason I went back to Debian. I know Ubuntu is based on Debian, but I didn't have any issues with getting the drivers to work. To each his own.

Ubuntu in my opinion is like no other Linux distro, it just works. Graphic driver? Codecs for some website video? Flash plugin? Wi-Fi? All of it just works and to be onest some things - like codecs are easier to install than on Windows. In Windows first you have to find them on the Internet, in Ubuntu it is just "Click ok to install missing codecs".

Of course there is a problem of various devices for which driver and software support from manufacturer is missing - Still cameras, mobile phones, media players like ipod touch, creative Zen etc... This problem was with us forever and just don't want to go away :) But all this is up to the manufacturers - Canon, Apple, Logitech, Creative etc...

I'm using Linux already for about 10 years. I was using Mandrake, Suse, Fedora... and in desktop area there was always tons of problems. But now I think Linux is almost ready for desktop use, my wife uses it on her notebook :) And She is happy with it, well she was used to Windows so conversion was a bit painful but now She likes it a lot.

And for the "powerful things" ... no comment :) Never heard about supercomputers and clusters running on Linux ? :) I personally do all web application development on Ubuntu, it is just so easier with Linux console and all the tools available. Windows is only in VirtualBox for checking how the pages look in IE and Safari, and for iTunes ;)

Not surprising that Shuttleworth praises Windows 7, since most of the employees of Canonical use Windows to do their jobs anyway. Linux is really only for those people who do not need to be able to do powerful things with their computers.

I am a tech in a large computer store. (NOT Best Buy) Like a lot of retailers, we are selling a lot of netbooks right now. At one time we had a 50/50 mix of XP/Linux netbooks. However, we now only have one Linux model. The reason was simple. Too many returns of Linux netbooks when the users found they had to learn a new OS and had to find new software for the things they did. Many ppl found the task daunting and were unwilling to spend the time learning. I suspect this is the biggest reason by far for the loss of linux market share to XP on netbooks.

Currently I am dual booting between Win7 and Debian. I like both and both have their uses and both have their headaches.

I do find it funny that Linux ppl accuse Windows of being bloated and my few Unix only friends say the same about Linux.

I use Linux mainly stick with Fedora for some computers, and windows on others.
Windows has better hardware support in terms of drivers, and usability.
Linux on the other hand is good over all, snappy on older hardware, just lacks some essential items to go main stream.
For one, there is no system restore option, in case you made a Video driver change or installed some bad software, no way to revert back to a knowing good state of the OS.
Another thing with Linux distros, is networking,with windows PC's, sure it works, but you need to spend a lot more time to setup in order to get it to work right.

Also installing packages,Besides the ones listed from the Distro sources, a users need to check which distro you have mainly Debian or Fedora, if not you need to do a lot of typing to get you app installed, that surely complicates thing for your typical user.

I'm not Linux expert, but I do like the OS, and wish they had something similar to Windows system restore, this would be the main item for me to make the switch to Linux more comfortable.

I think a lot of people aren't familiar enough with Linux, so they shy away from it. Once you get to know it and use it, and see how it works, you will realize it's quite simple. I've used Windows and Linux for over 12 years, and Linux has a much more simple design, whereas Windows is bloated. I think this can account for why Linux is so stable, while Windows is so over bloated that it runs slower and have far more problems overall.

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For months I've tried to explore the possibility of going with Linux, but it seems the lack of proper drivers makes the transition difficult. I can't believe Linux supporters say the beauty of Linux is that you don't depend on the hardware manufacturer to release new drivers. Really? So if I go with Linux, I depend on who?

Ask anyone, and they'll tell you, Linux is only for people who are into computers. Seriously. And even those quite experienced with computers can easily feel shitty with Linux. It just isn't worth the trouble. I'll stick with XP, thank you.

He forgot to mention that Microsoft was relaxing their rules and starting to let netbooks use Win 7 Premium.
If its anything like 9.4 was, none of the enhancements work with it, They just cause it to be really unstable.
I would wait till all the addon's you like are updated to work with the new release. a lot of the 8.XX Themes ect did not work with 9.XX and it was really hard to find things that worked with 9.XX.
But if you like a plain OS then I guess it will work for you. I had to reinstall Ubuntu 3 times just to make sure it wasn't something wrong with the install.
So far Ubuntu is not going to be joining Win 7 on my computers.

There is no problem with CPU,
but there are at least 3 chipsets for Atom (not to mention VIA). But this is not the main problem.
The differences are in wireless modules (Wi-Fi, BT and 3G modules), web cams, and other "peripherals" like touchpads.
It had nothing with the "people" will, but purely MS PR and the pressure on retailers and OEMs. Dell is good example for the "will" since 1/3 of their netbooks shipped with Ubuntu and there was NO difference in return rates between XP and Ubuntu machines.

Given that almost all netbooks are running on the exact same hardware, I really don't think lack of drivers could be the reason Linux lost ground to XP in the netbook market. Once you have drivers for one, you pretty much have drivers for them all. It probably had a whole lot more to do with most people wanting to actually use the same programs they're already using on their desktops/notebooks. That situation, of course, won't change at all with the release of Ubuntu 9.10.