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Chrome on the Mac is too slow

Sergey Brin moans
Friday, 23 October 2009, 12:22

GOOGLE CO-FOUNDER Sergey Brin is disappointed that it has been so difficult to get Chrome running on Apple's Mac hardware.

Apparently Brin has Chrome on his Mac but it is only an early developer version and more unstable than he would like.

As he told Digital Beat, the only way you can install Chrome on a Mac is by visiting a page that warns you not to download Chrome for Mac.

Brin said that the timing of the Mac release has been one of the disappointments of the Chrome project, though otherwise developing a Mac version of Chrome has been personaly satisfying for him.

He said that if he had his way Chrome for Mac would be available in a public beta right now, and in fact would have launched at the same time as the PC version.

Strangely Brin did not say what was responsible for the the delay. We would not have thought that getting Chrome to run on a Mac would be much different from making it run on a PC. µ

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Inquirer Fiction

Fiction. The pre-beta version available today (23/10) is at least as fast as Safari 4 and Snow Leopard, on my iMac. Well done, Google -stable, minimalist design, great potential. Labai labai gerai!

posted by : Dobilas Allanas, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
The reason behind all of this hatred

I can guarantee there is a possibilty this DID happen

A long time ago in a bedsit not so far away....

Girlfriend: Nick, can you come here for a minute
Nick: 1 minute my love!
GF: Nick, put the Clearasil down, we need to talk
Nick: Cooooo-mmmm-ing!!!
Nick: Yes my sweatheart!
GF: Look, I don't think it's working
Nick: What? Vista? Course it is, it's great!
GF: No, I mean us
Nick: I don't understand my ickle bunny wabbit
GF: Nick, there's someone else
Nick: WHAT?
GF: I mean we're splitting up
Nick: After all this time, everything I've done for you?
GF: Look, Nick, I do apprecia...
Nick: You were the first fresher here to have your device drivers loaded into High Memory
GF: I know, and I thank you for tha...
Nick: I instigated a backup routine onto Zip disks when you were out having fun!
GF: I know...
Nick: Who recovered all of your files after that virus got on your PC!!! You even infected me!
GF: I know I did, but let's stick to computers
Nick: Who taught you about HKEY LOCAL MACHINE????
GF: Look, we will always have our memories but it's time to move on, we can't go back in a Time Machine or lock outselves in a Time Capsule or something
Nick: WHO'S GOING TO DO THESE THINGS FOR YOU NOW THEN?
GF: Nick, I don't need to, I've bought a Mac.
Nick: A MAC!!!! NOOOOOO!

This, my friends, is exactly how it may have happened. The rest, as they say, is history.

posted by : Me, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
Easy to guess why

Chrome source is all c++.
They certainly had to rebind everything to crappy objective-c and Cocoa drives me nuts.
Why on earth do you think Adove did not releas a 64-bit version of Photoshop for Mac Os X ?

posted by : reder, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
@reder

Adobe CS5 will be 64bit for Mac OS laddy, the reason it is not now is because they wrote in in carbon and not cocoa in the first place.

posted by : Jeri, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
64bit!

Same reason firefox 64bit still sucks/is non existent.

Chrome V8 engine doesn't run in 64bit properly. So they are probably having extensive trouble porting to MAC OS X.

posted by : dudeman, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
@Dobilas

You might have tried reading the whole story and not just the headline. He's upset that a release version for Mac is taking such a long time to develop. For once Nick isn't Apple bashing, a refreshing change I have to say.

I'm also mystified as to why it's taking so long. Chrome is, at its heart, a Webkit browser. Webkit is developed and maintained by... Apple. That Google can't port Apple code to an Apple platform certainly says something.

posted by : Gordon, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
Faildobe

The reason why there's no 64bit Photoshop for OS X is simple:

Everything Adobe touches fails. Hard.

Remember Flash? That crappy, badly-integrated, sluggish, security-impaired video-plugin? They're marketing that as an application platform now. THEY BUILT PHOTOSHOP'S UI IN IT! WTF?!

I wish someone would calculate how much co2s could be saved if flash wasn't such a cpu-hogginh piece of shit.

posted by : riDDi, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
@riDDi

I think you need to read some computer software history, dude.
Flash had nothing to do with video until recently.
It was designed as an UI platform since the beginning and afterwards it got video support.

posted by : Alex, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
Where is it for Linux?

I signed up for a auto notification for Chrome when it is ready to download for Linux. Would love to give it a try.
I really liked Safari when I had a Mac. Private browsing and all that stuff.

posted by : Regulas, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
hahahaha

Me, whoever you are, you are hilarious!

posted by : RU, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
Chrome for Linux

@Regulas
I'm posting this from the dev version of Chrome on Linux. You can get the dev version of Chrome for windows, mac or linux from:
http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel

Release notes are here
http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/

It's generally very stable and noticably faster than firefox.

posted by : ik, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
Photoshop UI in Flash

if Adobe are switching to their own Flash to create the GUI for their creative apps, that'll be a blow to Opera. It'll affect revenues too.

posted by : Harry Lamb, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
Not slow, just Unstable

I've been using up to date Chrome on OSX for a while now, it's easily the most unstable browser out of Safari, Firefox and Chrome. It feels a bit faster than Safari, but I usually avoid using it because the frequency it crashes. Been disappointing so far, it's definitely not public ready.

posted by : Jack, 23 October 2009 Complain about this comment
@Alex

Name me a site that is not an overblown self-praise for some artist and uses Flash for something that is not video.

Flash is nothing more than a crappy video player that's only being used because of a lack of alternatives.

And where did you get this BS of Flash being designed as a UI platform? I remember working with Flash 4 and Actionscript was in many ways inferior to even Javascript, let alone any mature language.

Flash started as a plugin for vector graphics and Adobe made it their UI platform. Congrats on building a second GTK!
The difference is that Flash is non-native crap everywhere.

posted by : riDDi, 24 October 2009 Complain about this comment
unstable not slow.

as per jack's comments, its not slow. Easily on par with Safari and probably faster than firefox. It is extremely unstable, it can go from being fairly sleek to being a resource hog in seconds. Personally I really love chrome's ui, but its not public ready at all.

posted by : ufoolme, 24 October 2009 Complain about this comment
Smarter commenters, please

i "Why on earth do you think Adove did not releas a 64-bit version of Photoshop for Mac Os X ?" /i

Because Apple only relatively recently decided not to make a 64-bit version of Carbon, and PS is still Carbon (not Cocoa). Adobe need to get with the program in this respect.

posted by : DF, 24 October 2009 Complain about this comment
@DF

Your definition of "relatively recently" is "over two years ago"? Apple told the world back in June 2007 that the Carbon UI libraries wouldn't get 64 bit versions.

Cocoa isn't horribly difficult to program, but it's philosophically quite different to Carbon and requires a major re-write to port between the two.

Chrome on the other hand didn't have a Mac UI to start with, they needed to start from scratch, and the WebKit rendering engine on which it is based started life on the Mac (and is still the core of Safari) so Google don't have a good excuse.

posted by : Steve T, 25 October 2009 Complain about this comment
@ Steve T.

"Your definition of "relatively recently" is "over two years ago"? Apple told the world back in June 2007 that the Carbon UI libraries wouldn't get 64 bit versions.
Cocoa isn't horribly difficult to program, but it's philosophically quite different to Carbon and requires a major re-write to port between the two."

Given the tangles mess of code that Photoshop undoubtedly is by this time, I chose my 'relatively' on purpose. If Apple deserve bricks thrown at them for anything, it's this kind of developer-unfriendly behaviour - they had previously told Dog + World that 64-bit Carbon was coming.

Re: Chrome. I'll be the first to admit that the doings of Google's OS-in-the-browser haven't commanded my attention for every waking moment, but I believe that there's other more likely culprits than WebKit for Chrome being slow on Mac - one which springs immediately to mind is that Google have their own Javascript engine, do they not?

posted by : DF, 25 October 2009 Complain about this comment
Chrome on Mac so slow ?.

Come one Google. Your developers are NOT GOOD enough!. Thats simple. How come the Firefox and Webkit people with way less resources than Google can do such a fabulous job at their browsers ?.

Get more talented people! You got dead-woods that are not up to standard sorry, they should not be working on Mac projects, if they cannot exploit the underpinings of the OS.

Just look at how fast the FreeBSD people got GCD working in their OS. One month!. Isn't that amazing for kernel level integration ???.

posted by : FrankieTeo, 26 October 2009 Complain about this comment
webkit ?

The horrible overpriced fruity gadget maker stole it from the KDE team.

Open sourcerers are so happy to fight M$ that they empower another (still worse) evil empire.

posted by : reder, 28 October 2009 Complain about this comment
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