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Intel sues AMD
INTEL'S LEGAL EAGLES are suing AMD in America as part of its defence in an antitrust case it has already lost in Europe.
The AMD versus Intel antitrust fight is going for a rematch in the US courts and it appears that Chipzilla is getting mean right from the start.
It has asked a judge to throw the book at AMD for failing to retain documents in the case it filed against Intel in June of 2005.
Intel also asserts that AMD misrepresented its efforts and tried to hide its failures from the court and Intel.
In March of 2007 Intel moaned to the court that AMD had not kept documents in regards to the case. A court order to fix the problem was issued.
Chipzilla claims this effort has cost it tens of millions of dollars. It says that it delivered nearly two hundred million pages of documents to AMD in discovery.
But while AMD was telling the world plus dog that it had instituted an "exemplary" scheme for document retention, that any problems it had were "innocent and innocuous" and any data losses were "inconsequential", Intel is saying that this is far from the case.
An Intel spokesperson said that it had evidence that appears to show that AMD's "exemplary" scheme to retain documents was not even close.
"Intel has discovered a number of problems with AMD process, including certain executives and employees at AMD that failed to retain documents and emails. It also appears that AMD failed to begin retaining documents when it reasonably anticipated the litigation, something that is required by law," Chipzilla whinged (PDF) in a court filing.
It claims that AMD engaged in a secret scheme to selectively restore documents from backup tapes to analyze the scope of its retention failures, all the while denying to Intel and the court that it was doing so or that there ever was a problem. µ
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You sue them for the same amount of money.
Yes they fear AMD.
But they also fear the NVIDIA boogy-man who's also hidding in the closet.
Intel is suing them because in the European case AMD lost documents from the court case in the US in June 05. This is illegal. People need to stop whining and look at the facts.
Intels top lawyer left, but he was not head of the litigation department, he was not even really handleing this case.
Just to note, i did used to love AMD, my rigg at home still has an AMD in it. But AMD's current offering's are sub par to say the least. Nehalem is a much better product than anything AMD has.
All you people complaining are insane, Intel has done nothing greedy, the court case in Europe was a sham. They fined intel because they gave discounts based on the quantity of purchase, which is a standard practice. The EU skewed this to say that intel gave incentives to not purchase AMD, because if you buy more Intel u have to buy less AMD, since you only have a certain quota of CPU purchases to make. Which is insanity.
Most in their ire toward Intel are forgetting the critical point that AMD obtained these documents via court order. This makes everyone of these documents potential evidence for the court. Regardless of any other reason that makes any and all documents obtained via the court potential evidence for the court and must be preserved. AMD took that responsibility when they requested the documents via the court. They there for must preserve the documents or face the penalty. There are zero mitigating circumstances with this and they will have to pay the penalty.
That's quite a bit of miss-information there...Actually one cord of wood (4'x4'x8' tightly stacked) equals about 300 reams of paper. A ream of paper is normally about 500 pages. Most paper today is made from scraps and sawdust so saying how much paper 1 tree produces in quite a gray area. Most conservation sites state that one tree produces anywhere from 16-22 reams of paper but that is highly dependent on the size of the tree which they do not mention. See for yourself at:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_paper_can_one_tree_produce
I don't like greedy corporations. I recently bought a laptop with AMD/ATI chips. I don't care that an Intel laptop would have been a better choice, at about the same money. I would buy AMD even if they offered a fraction of performance compared to Intel, at thrice the money. Because I don't like greedy corporations.
That's a lot of trees per page.
you heard it, Intel sleep with one eye open... always scared AMD will pop out from under the mattress and rip their butt open!
Accusing other, when AMD's own faults are bigger than Intel.
Thats one of the reasons why I'll never buy into Intel dirty practices. Afraid that AMD tech is slowly spinning up better cores? Increasing profitability? Lowering the performance gap? A company that refuses to lie down no matter how much licks it gets?Good competition is good for both company's...right?
Intel is quite aware that there be a time when AMD will supercede them in this continuous CPU battle. The reason? F.E.A.R of the future..
No matter what my counterpart intel fanboyz wanna say, Intel never sleeps peacefully at night.It fears AMD like dracula fears sunlight. Apart from future cores,sales, its AMD it thinks about the most.
I made a typo above, it is actually 3,400,000,000 trees wasted.
Considering it takes 17 trees to produce 1 single A4 piece of paper, I think everyone who cares about the environment should sue Intel for the 1,400,000,000 trees felled to produce the 200,000,000 pages of documents that no one will actually read.
...that corporations waste all this time and money on legal bickering instead of focusing their efforts on innovation and the development of sustainable future-proof (or at least future-ready) products to prove their mettel.
Personally I am quite turned off by this sort of immature behaviour .... especially that the bill for all this ends up passed on to the consumer in the cost of the products.
This type of behaviour patterns is exactly what is going to drive humanity to a wretched end.
Wonder How Dirk Meyer Feels? Pretty Darn Good with X2 Patch about to Garden & Bloom. Q2''9 Was LOSS, Yet only ~62 Million USD.
The AMD Product Company [new name after the split on AMD Product Company and GlobalFoundries] reported revenue of 1.396 billion dollars, with a net loss of 128 million dollars. However, the company repurchased part of their debt [due in 2012] in the tune of 66 million. Gross margin improved from 37% to 42% . Margin big helper, Over 10% UP. Seeing Christmas AS Personal Triumph.
drashek
I know it's easy to hate on the bigger company but why so one-sided? AMD has usually been the instigator of these legal battles and Intel is striking back in defense. You guys sound a lot like the teacher/parent/referee that punishes the 2nd guy who punches back after someone else starts the fight.
P.S. The guy that somehow tries to blame Intel for the Microsoft/Danger fiasco doesn't know what he's talking about. There isn't even an Intel chip in the damn Sidekick. Catch a clue, Intel and Microsoft are very much different companies. Intel's chips are in Macs and Linux servers and all sorts of other devices besides those running Windows. Please keep your facts straight.
Two sides of the same coin.
I buy AMD
Three Countries have found Intel Guilty of Monopolistic abuse. (EU, S. Korea and Japan) Now it's just a matter of time until they lose the Civil case and it's just a matter of time until the US FTC and the NY AG get their heads out of the sand and come knocking.
Anyone with half a brain can see this for what it is. A futile attempt at damage control.
I'm curious, how much of the tax payer's money is wasted on Intel's obviously frivolous counter lawsuit...
While intel might be correct it still does not refute the fact it's only motive is to throw dirt and muddy the waters.
They should bew fined, again.
Intel's top lawyer went to Apple middle of last month.
So the new person at Intel is doing the lazy thing and cross-file against AMD.
These guys lack original thinking.
Pay up or quit.
Chipzilla is eating its own dog food and has drank the Kool-aid.
A disgruntled vole mole might have been responsible, as that would explain why all the data was wiped so thoroughly that it could be unrecoverable.
Intel management was "clueless" about the Danger of technology for its Sidekick, and Intel orchestrated a series of spectacularly bone-headed decisions.
The failure is the result of monumentally dysfunctional Intel and Microsoft mismanagement, possibly capped by a deliberate act of sabotage, if not duplicity by Microsoft and Intel, and the only viable remedy should be stiffer fines.
It is looking like a total cock-up by Intel and Microsoft that's sure to cost it dearly in terms of a lot of money, its reputation.
It takes an Internet village, but these louts have bought the farm.
The outage was caused by a system failure that created data loss in the core database and the back up, whence someone's Iphone exploded in an inside Jobs.
this is exactly why I buy all AMD products with the exception of my Intel SSD
I like to support companies for what they stand for- not just value
this reeks of bad intent
I regret buying a core i7 setup
I'm almost ready to buy the replacement for my rig. So good I found this note, now I know exactly what to buy: AMD...
intel should write a book called:
"how to lose customers and alienate clients"
its dirty lies and petty pedantic tricks make me less and less willing to buy their products (also, its overpriced snailware anyway...)
Let's not blow this out of proportion; this is simply corporate protocol for any major legal decision. Companies sue each other and cry foul thousands of times a year and AMD certainly would be doing the same thing if they were wearing Intel's shoes; they would have to put on several pairs of thick wool socks to get those to stay fit.
200,000,000 pages of documents???
If that isn't a misquote, I'd punish the lawyers (both sides) by making them read every page. Pro bono.
http://www.infoworld.com/t/hardware/intel-may-have-lost-e-mails-related-amd-case-836
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This makes me ashamed of owning Intel hardware...