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Nvidia snubs Intel
NVIDIA AND INTEL have finally fallen out, apparently, with the Green Goblin saying that it will stop developing chipsets for Intel CPUs.
According to Digitimes, Nvida said that its decision was due to its ongoing licensing litigation with Intel.
In an official statement, Nvidia said that Chipzilla was making improper claims to customers and the market.
Apparently Chipzilla's sales staff has been saying that Nvidia is not licensed to the new DMI bus, which the Green Goblin finds unfair.
It seems Nvidia's Intel chipset ban will last until the two firms resolve this matter in court next year.
But strangely Nvidia is not rushing to butter up AMD either. Fudzilla quotes Drew Henry, Nvidia's senior director of platform products, as saying that the company is also halting development on AMD chipsets.
He said that the market was no longer economically viable.
It is quite possible that Nvidia has lost interest in the chipset market. In fact this was suggested as early as last year, but strongly denied by the Green Goblin.
Michael Jong, senior director of corporate marketing for Nvidia APAC, was quoted then as saying that Nvidia had no intention of getting out of the chipset business.
Nvidia said it will continue its roadmap for chipsets supporting FSB-based CPUs, referring to its Ion platform, or the GeForce 9400M and the yet to be launched Ion 2.
The only thing that holds the Green Goblin in the chipset market is a previous promise to support CPUs from VIA Technologies on its Ion 2 platform.
Digitimes hints that there might have been a change in that relationship too. VIA is refusing to comment and is referring questions to Nvidia.
Other reports have suggested that Nvidia has frozen development on all chipsets, although both it and AMD have denied that. µ
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With cpu and gpu = fusion.... I can see them trying to be Apple. Since Apple switched it cpu to intel cpu... Their prices are still high. Guess some people are looking fwd to higher prices.
There will be a huge market demand for nVidia animated business and greeting cards and video clothing, which will also be cloud clients...
No wait... that's just a latte bull.
Poor old NVidia was under huge pressure after the failed AMD/NV merger. Longterm NV is dead without an own CPU architecture, AMD/ATI and Intel will run the microsoftesque bundle game on them (CPU+GPU) with an impact on the hw market just like the excel+word bundle did on the sw market. So, there is our Mao-like NV CEO and having paranoid thoughts, and just in the right moment the ARM bride with her "CPU architecture to lease" comes along and saves the day. The new couple NV+ARM is happy ever after, especially their baby CORTEX+CUDA will make the world (desktop) tremble.
Does this mean more money for AMD? I'm worried about their long term survival.
Oh, and Monopoly Man: Innovation isn't what it used to be. Drop the buzzword, 'k?
Intel and AMD will launch 'fusion' next year.
CPU with graphics, northbridge and southbridge on one chip.
Sorry nVidia, but there is no market left for you.
Why don't you just pull out now - and pretend that you had a choice?
Ah. Wait. They did :~)
(The words of Charlie are repeating The words of Charlie are repeating from the grave, from the grave, The words of Charlie are repeating from the grave... His truth keeps marching on!)
Your logic fails.
Intel are incredibly corrupt and a horrendous business.
They have produced shocking integrated graphics for years, their CPU's until Core 2 have been shocking.
IBM's PowerPC was a much better CPU than the Pentium 2/3/4 ever was, the Athlon 64 too - all of which pushed Intel into having to produce decent CPU's.
They don't like NVIDIA because NVIDIA have made an absolute mockery of their integrated graphics.
Soon, they, like Microsoft will be convicted monopolists - just look at the pricing of Core i*.
Nvidia isn't going to last with the upcoming on-die gpu wars. perhaps if they merged with VIA they would have a horse in the race. As we all know Nvidia does not have an x86 license and VIA does. And with a nice small TSMC process and some R&D VIA's x86 offerings wouldn't be too bad.
@ dinner lip : Nvidia is just as arrogant if not more arrogant than Intel. You conveniently ignore the fact that nvidia wants ridiculous royalties just to enable SLI on Intel chipsets. By acting high and mighty, nvidia shot themselves in the foot with this behavior. It takes two to tango.... Why should Intel co-operate, with a company that regularly acts like they are doing the world a favor by designing GPU's ?
I want to be rude... but anyways
Here's the reality, intel loves high average selling prices and large price gaps for small performance gains. That's how they've always done it, except when AMD forced the prices down.
Look how long it took the Core i5 to come out? And a chipset other than the X58. They have no competition in that space so they took their sweet time (about a year) to release a mainstream part. The intel that was competing with AMD would have released both of those products within a couple months of the i7 if not sooner.
Not that I think AMD would be much different if they had a performance lead and 80+% of the market. They never have, probably never will.
As for intel expanding into other markets, I agree this would happen regardless, but the pressure from arm chips of late has really forced intel to move quickly or be left behind. And again, the pricing and capabilities that intel and microsoft are forcing onto netbooks are to protect their earnings on higher end parts.
These companies can and will charge substantially more if they don't have competition and innovate much more slowly.
As for nvidia, I don't like them much but it's still better for the industry to have competition.
Intel already has 80% of the market - the only way they grow as a company is to grow the overall market... that means pushing new application, new aps, new features, new capabilities, etc.
If Intel was the sole supplier and simply stopped innovating and raised prices to absurd levels (as many of the "economists" here predict) - their sales would level off, upgrade cycles would slow to a crawl and the CEO would be out of a job.
You can argue about the pace of inovation but to assume it would stop is just plain dumb... to assume prices would go way up, now that consumers have gotten used to lower prices is also just plain dumb. Stop arguing on emotion and think about things a bit.
Intel Lover, without competition there is now true incentive to innovate. If Intel had NO competition (see circa 1989 to 1994, 5 years of 486 goodness with little to no change) there would be no reason to innovate when you control the market and what people HAVE to use. It wasn't until AMD stepped up (Athlon vs. P4) that Intel was forced to drop an inferior processor in order to compete. AMD is the only thing keeping Intel honest...
nVidia were not so helpful about SLI for Intel chipsets, what goes around comes around.
If they make supercomputers as screwy as their chipsets they will fail at that too.
I think the real problem is the guy at the top, overcompensating overcompetitively.
Reminds me of Apple.
Now they have no chipsets, no graphics cards, pretty soon... no shareholders.
That was quite the oposite...
AMD was prospecting both ATI and nVidia for buying. It ended up with ATI because Mr. Hsung simply demanded to be CEO of the new company to merger with AMD. ATI was a lot more reasonable, and now it got a lot stronger being a part of AMD.
AMD folks probably are really glad that they didn´t even considered the proposal.
I guess Mr. Hsung has blood relationship with another wacko, Kim Jong-Il.
Oh ... I believe I did too.
Nvidia will quit chipsets other than the development of it's own platform - quite possibly ultraportable as some have already seen, but what you don't see is their interest (and ability) to put together a fairly solid supercomputing platform.
A decent multicore CPU driving a front end of a cluster of GPU's (Tesla's for horsepower) would end up being a much cheaper rackeable alternative to many of the current systems.
License a fibre backbone interconnet for all of the racks and you have some awesome supercomputing power.
NV would be unlikely to get an X86 license but they don't need one to produce their own native CPU ... or buyout a company that produces one already.
They missed the boat in buying out AMD some time ago ... and are probably kicking themselves now.
Making discrete graphics cards and Tesla cards isn't going to be enough to grow the company fortunes.
Expanding into supercomputing given their current products would seem a good idea.
I see them making something comparable to a CX1 Cray Supercomuter with Tesla GPGU's inside.
Or they could just stick to their discrete cards ...
meh .
Intel is not arrogant. Intel as a leader in semiconductor industry has created standards that everyone enjoyed it. Now, Intel has created a proprietary interface purposed for its own processor why they are obliged to open it to NVIDIA. NVIDIA is whinning like AMD and I believe Intel will crush them without makes a pity. I hope Intel will own all microprocessor market with Intel Inside Everything. This is a nature of capitalism folks. No competitive products means no chance.
This is a lose-lose situation for both Intel and Nvidia. Even though I am not a fan of Nvidia's big mouth CEO, they do know how to make good graphics. But cutting off this valuable partner, Intel exposes its shortcoming in graphics to AMD, who has ATI, in the graphics department. Had Jen Hsun kept his big month shut about overtaking Intel to have the most important chips (although I agree) in a computer, I think this is avoidable.
Nvidia wouldn't give up with a fight unless there was a reason...
Personaly I'm hoping for a sort of Fermi + ARM sometime next year...
Then there's always the x86 licence they may or may not have from the company they bought previously..
To think Nvidia are going to roll over and plkay dead is naive at best..
You probably forgot to mention that your Core 2 was running at 2.0ghz and your AMD X2 at 3.8ghz... =P
if it wasnt for AMD, intel would charge thousands for an ancient cpu and get away with it
the world would be a better place without intel and its blind fanboi followers - no dirty tricks with retailers and fast boot and response times for PCs
my secondary pc has an intel core 2 and my main pc has the equivalent amd x2. the amd boots quicker, responds quicker and get higher fps on ALL games (they both have 8800gtx).
the sooner people wake up and smell the coffee the better
Are you a troll or is there a /sarcasm coming?
Don't thank Intel for all of their innovation, they were forced to by AMD. If it hadn't been for AMD we would all be using Pentium 4 processors.
Intel can pull up the license like ATI was bought by AMD and they can cut the CLA with NVIDIA related with their proprietary bus. Intel is the King with their own microprocessor platform ecosystem. I believe Intel will win in the lawsuit. Intel as the number one company is already owned everything in PC Market and soon in Handheld too. I like Intel because they are always innovating and make customers and consumer happy with their cheap products. I believe the world will be better without AMD and NVIDIA.
I avoid NVIDIA chipsets like I avoid their graphics cards. NVIDIA chipsets always seemed to have issues with other vendors, like that X-Fi incompatibility problems. Their graphic card drivers aren't much better...keep your fingers crossed and hope you'll see a picture after the install.
cant say i blame nvidia, intel probably want a massive royalty just for the priviledge to kiss their feet
they are so full of their own BS
Now where have I heard this news before?
Oh yes, it was Charlie who told us this months ago. I also remember everyone shouting him down and calling him a troll.
In the great Internet tradition, I'm sure there will be no "I'm sorry Charlie" forthcoming then?
If only they didn't buy several others chipset makers (e.g. ULi/ALi). Now the number is down to 3 (SiS is the third).
It seems technology is "evolving" backwards to the times when inTel were making almost the whole system (cpu + chipset + gpu) and we can all remember what prices were back then...