Leaky slideware shows HD 5770
IT SEEMS THAT a few sites have managed to jump the gun on the press embargo for Juniper, AMD's mainstream graphics chip that wasn't supposed to be announced until 13th October. Only it wasn't.
The Juniper details have been made public at Madbox PC in Chile, which has published slides from the presentation deck. The cards included in the slideware are the HD 5770 and the HD 5750.
The HD 5770 is built like this: 40nm process, 800 stream processors, 1.36 TeraFLOPS of computing power, a core clock of 850MHz and 1GB of 1200MHz GDDR5 - effective 4.8GHz - straddling a 128-bit bus. The shroud is similar, if not identical, to the one seen on the 5870 and 5850 cards.
The HD 5750 is only slightly different: a 40nm process, 720 stream processors, 1.008 TeraFLOPS of computing power, 700MHz core clock and either 1GB or 512MB of 1150MHz GDDR5 - effective 4.6GHz - on a 128-bit bus too. The 5750 is naked. The cooler used is reminiscent of the later custom-cooler HD 4770 cards.
Common to both types are lower power consumption, Eyefinity support, DX11 and the Displayport+HDMI+dual DVI, just like their more expensive kindred. The cards walk a fine balance between Mainstream and Performance, according to the slideware, and cover the $159~$129 price bracket for the HD 5770 and HD 5750, respectively. Just where Nvidia was supposed to land with its own price cuts.
We've been told Juniper is expected to ship from 13th October and in higher volume than the high-end 5870 and 5850, which makes sense, as it's a mainstream part.
So before the reviews actually pop up, what can we expect from this? Well, the HD 5770 should perform like a 4890, while the 5750 should render as well as a 4870. It is that simple. Only this time you get to squeeze a few nicer effects out of the DX11 hardware.
We can't help but think that Nvidia will have to bring its cards down a rung or two on the price ladder if it wants to remain competitive against this fresh batch of ATI cards. However, you should also see AMD slashing prices on the 4870s and 4850s to clear out the shelves, so there should be good deals all around.
Now, to the Batmobile! µ
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Oddly, I only just today read Charlie's Semiaccurate on GT300 not taping and all before being cancelled if ATI hits this sort of price/performance...
... as always Charlie is right! ... bb Green Goblin ...twas good knowing you..
Also, now I can finally point my nemesis nVidia fan boi and say "HAHA! I was right and ur wrong" - not an ATI fanboi... and GFX card fanboi... gimme more horseys under the hood and make em dance.
Actually, Charlie had been wrong several times. For example he predicted GF295 to be impossible to produce in large quantities. As you can see in any retail shop on the planet, he was wrong.
Ummm...no he wasn't.
Just because there are quite a few on shelves, it doesn't necessarily mean Nv has made shed loads.
Check your facts.
@ Rachotilko
If you look at what Charlie said with a microscope, then yes, you are partially right.
If you look at the complete picture Charlie painted of Nvidia long term strategy, including the 295, then you are totally wrong. The whole GT200 is financially underwater, in the red, bleeding money... The GT200 could barely compete with the RV770 on a profitability basis and is absolutely dead against the RV800.
Nvidia was, and as a matter of fact, is heading into the wall at supersonic speed and Charlie saw it all coming.
Predicting the future is a very risky business. You are bound to have a couple of details wrong here and there. That Charlie was so spot on make me wonder if he his channeling spirits or something.
BTW, news just broke out that Nvidia just EOL'd it's entire line of GT200 GPUs, save for the 295 that is still 10.00$ profitable (LoL), until the 5870X2 hit the street next month and completely destroy it that is... Nvidia will have no choice but to drastically slash it's prices even further. You want an Nvidia card? Just wait a couple more weeks for the deal of the century.
The GT300/Fermi false/real card joke of last week PR stunt from Nvidia just confirmed that they are disparately late into the DX11 game and won't have a competing product before at least Q2 2010. They eat cash on every card, have alienated everybody in the industry and are at least 6-8 month behind the competition.
And to top it all, the same GT200 predicament awaits the oversized GT300 against the lean and cost effective RV800. It will have the same competitive issue the GT200 had againt the RV770. I wouldn't buy Nvidia stock if I were you. This company is going nowhere fast, but down. Precisely as Charlie predicted it.
Jen-Hsun Huang needs to go, but that won't happen. That's sad because we actually need a healthy Nvidia to bring a little competition in the GPU market.
Ramon
I never thought nVidia would make the same mistake, again, but it just managed to make it worse!
GT200 is completely overwhelmed by new ATI offerings, the GT300/Fermi apears to be dead before it's birth.
Charlie even showed that the supposed Fermi board pictures, presented by nVidia are FAKE. And by the pictures there is no chance of argument, you can clearly see that the power plugs are connected to nothing... So lame that I'd have thought that some fanboy assembled the fake card. I guess it was PR folks, they didn't bother to ask engeneering staff to help make a decent fake... So nvidia...
I hope after this fiasco they came back with a decent product, in a Intel/core 2 duo way. It can't be good to us to have just one manufacturer ruling the market.
By the way, the 295 was possible by slashing badly the core frequency of the GPU's. At GT280 levels, it remains impossible to assemble the 295 card.
Would have been nice to see the 5700's be single width cards.
ATI/AMD was screwed a while back, had a restructure and a rethink, and now are back with a vengence.
NVIDIA can do the same, but it will take a few years. It'll be interesting to see if they can do it, but ATI has shown that it IS possible.
Wouldn't it be better to discuss Charlie on his own site?
Oh and Rachotilko, all that proves is that they can't sell them as quickly as they make them, not that they can make shedloads of the things.
GTX295 on 65nm process was impossible for nVidia to make. They had to wait for 55nm.
Charlie was right on this.
the 65nm 295 was impossible and they had to wait for 55nm
he was right but a little hyperbolic as usual but great fun to read
chill out a little bit :)