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Mozilla VP flames Google's Chrome Frame
MOZILLA'S vice president of engineering, Mike Shaver has added his two cents to the ongoing Google Chrome Frame flame war.
So far Google has said its speedy website plug-in improves IE8 rendering speeds over nine-fold, Microsoft said that it makes its browser less secure, and Google responded with a sort of amused snort.
Now in a blog post Shaver, who naturally is a Firefox evangelist since that's his job, said that using Chrome Frame with Internet Exploder 8 actually reduces the user's positive experience of using the application as opposed to improving it. We know, what a shocker.
"Running Chrome Frame within IE makes many of the browser application's features non-functional, or less effective", Shaver said. "These include private browsing mode or their other security controls, features like accelerators or add-ons that operate on the content area, or even accessibility support."
He added that this could tend to confuse users and compromise their web browser security, saying, "As a side-effect, the user's understanding of the web's security model and the behaviour of their browser is seriously hindered by delegating the choice of software to the developers of individual sites they visit."
Because Frame-friendly sites come attached with an associated tag, Shaver explained that it would be better if website visitors were encouraged to install the plug-in as or when they needed it.
"It would be better for the web if developers who want to use the Chrome Frame snippet simply told users that their site worked better in Chrome, and instructed them on how to install it," he concluded.
Sounds fair to us. µ
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No one apparently asked the VP of Fanbozilla if this would hurt adoption of his own Jesusfox browser because they would now be running Google browser in their Internet Exploder instead. Adblock zealots please excuse. You are freeloaders anyway.
Don't Mozilla know it's never a good idea to criticise the man who pays your wages?
It occurred to me later, after reading the article that Google was doing "exactly" what MS has been doing to other companies for years, basically pre-empting other companies by taking their technology and folding it into MS's own OS/Browser.
Guess MS didn't expect someone to use the same tactic on them?
But given that Google has now found a way to "augment", ie "embrace and extend" IE for users everywhere, the thought occurred to me, that could a "plugin" to "embrace and extend" the OS be far behind? :)
Just an idea, but if we need Windows, of course for the 90 percent of apps and games on pc's, but don't particularly care to keep handing MS all the dollars to keep us confined to their proprietary products, that it might be nice to have an "alternative".
What better way than to give us an app that launches like any other app, but now gives us an html or linux environment along with it as well?
With richer, faster and alternative options, perhaps even "Business" pc's will begin to "convert"?
Not of course in the beginning because the CEO's and VP's have "seen the light", but simply because ordinary, front line employees will bring their "options" to the work environment with them. Giving businesses and companies options and alternatives they don't presently have.
Just some things to wonder on, and if i'm just an ordinary computer user, and having this occur to me, how much quicker are the Google developers thinking? And planning?
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9-30-2009
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I for one think its wonderful that i can finally replace ie's engine with something more secure, if i could completely strip it out of windows i definitely would, i hate those apps that use IE instead of the default browser YOU choose, i NEVER ever open ie for anything and now that i can replace the engine with chrome frame, those applications that default to opening IE against my wishes (and thereby subjecting me to all the insecurities of the web) will now open in ie but render the page in a more secure (and much faster and less buggy) enviornment YAY!!!
I agree with him: Just install Chrome already!
But, considering it's IE8, the plug-in is actually appealing! :S
Mozilla should dedicated everything they have to improve firefox sluggish ways or they lose market share to chrome.
Ill never gonna install that datacrawler. Even if there is only IE and Chrome out there, then I stick to IE.
Firefox does what it should, and it does it well. Only because there is some other c based browser UI around there, that does another wrap around another Renderengine I'll not gonna leave firefox.
Firefox is a lot more than a browser.
Chrome Frame doesn't take over IE, it's a plugin available for whatever sites choose to use it. Just like using flash. You can force a page to load via Chrome Frame but that's not the default unless the site developer requests it.
This is great for the Internet. Web developers are held back by the lowest common denominator, currently IE6 followed closely by IE7 and IE8. Compared to IE; Chrome, Safari and Firefox are years ahead. Chrome frame means developers can target the modern browsers and just request the Chrome Frame plugin for IE. Have you seen what happens if you load Google Wave in IE - a box pops up advising you to install the Chrome Frame or switch to one of the supported browsers; Safari, Firefox or Chrome.
This is the best progress for the web since CSS. You've really got to be a web developer to appreciate just how limited IE is.
...by having ideas before than anyone.
How do you never thought about that, Mozilla?
Now we may see a little hit in IE's market share.