Ubuntu releases last 9.10 Alpha

Please drop the silly names and the brown theme.

Thanks.

Lots of bugs and breakage in 9.04 have not been fixed still in 9.10, and there are no plans to do so. Want to use Compiz? Sure, it's set up by default by Ubuntu. Want to use VNC Server? BUZZZZZZZ. You lose. 9.04 broke VNC+Compiz which worked perfectly in 8.10 and 8.04.

Pulse Audio still sucks with XBMC. Had to institute a hack job to make that work- will never restore the volume to the main mixer control correctly. Nvidia drivers break every other week (and not because they're binary blobs, it's because the Ubuntu devs break libc).

Of course, being the prancing pony that I am, I still run Ubuntu on all of my computers. And don't give me the crap on how its free and how I should just debug the code myself. If that's the response, then I'll just go to somewhere else.

oNE THING uBANTU is fREE. aPPLE UNITS COST mORE & INitial O/S cost as much as Windows, yet Upgrades are cheap. While windows just costs & costs & costs. Never Relenting in demands for more monies. ITS NOT WORTH IT.

Microsoft thinks You fool, while linuex needs customers to fill server farms with tech trainees. Apple tries to make plausable system FOR public.

DRASHEK

You dont seem prepared to make any material contribution - not even constructive bug reports (whining on forums doesnt count!)

If Ubuntu doesnt do what you want, then by all means use something that does. Meanwhile, please quit kvetching. It doesnt help anyone, not even you.

@Ubuntu User I agree that it's lame when someone says to debug the code yourself. :)

If I spend so many hours fixing an OS that I could have just gotten a weekend job, earned a few bucks, bought a copy of XP and had beer money left over, then that OS sucks. XP + beer for the same effort is way better than any os + no beer.

Unless you're an OS hobbyist, the long term support releases are 'generally' considered a safer bet for those who don't want to be a 'work-from-home' sweat shop employee for the Linux crowd.

I consider myself a novice Linux user but it is my only OS I use on my Acer Laptop, Vista was wiped. I use my laptop for everyday web browsing to read the news, email and shop online. So I would classify it as my main computer.
So far each Ubuntu release has overall improvements, in my opinion but I agree with David, first post on color and names. I don't know, actually Ubuntu is now known for that stuff and maybe just keep it, I change it anyway.
I am planning on a new Laptop for Christmas and want better battery life for one and do not want to mortgage my house to buy it.
My Acer Extensa is not battery friendly but was dirt cheap, less than many netbooks. I have owned a Powerbook before for over 3 years and love OS X. I do still run Windows but only on a gaming computer. I agree with Nick who says, "for those who do not want to drink the Apple or Microsoft proprietary KoolAid."
Loving OS X I checked out the new 13" Macbook Pro at Best Buy for a hands on, Very nice except the screen is very reflective and the price is high even for the cheapest one, $1,300. That is basic except upgrading the RAM from 2 to 4Gb.
I think I am going with another Acer but this time it has serious battery life (8hrs) and is slim and light. (Acer Aspire Timeline AS3810TZ-4880) A poor mans Macbook Air for $550. Big HD, and 4Gb of DDR3 RAM too. The 13.3" does not have a DVD drive but I already own a external one so no problem there.
Will wait for Vista SP3, I mean 7 to release before buying it, the reason being is resale value but Ubuntu 9.1 will be the OS installed on it, may dual boot but I am a rebel at heart and Windows on the HD will bug me.

Why open duplicate bug reports?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/353126

https://bugs.launchpad.net/pulseaudio/+bug/315809?comments=all

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003

Also nice is that every bug report that involves Nvidia contains some response "d0n't us3 th3 b1n@ry bl0b" when the problem CLEARLY is not a result of the nvidia drivers as documented through people testing.

And people are allowed to use Windows and complain about it, I see no reason why, as a Ubuntu user, I am not entitled the same freedoms. I mean, Linux is all about freedom, right?

A lot of comments from people who cry that new versions break things. If they want a stable ubuntu, then I suggest going back to 8.1. The newer versions are swell and some things work better in them but 8.1 is more "mature". I did like the 9.04 because it fixed some bluez issues I had with my headset but ATI dropped support of my video card and the gpl drivers didn't quite do what I wanted. Anyways, If you use the latest greatest, you should expect some bugs. Micky Mouse Microsoft is a prime example with their blunders and everyone knows windblows7 is just a big service pack for vista.

It's not 8.1, idiot. It's 8.10. The decimal is the month in the year. It's always x.04 and x.10 because it always comes out in April and October.

I baugh to your Superiority. Eye undurstand you are one of those who emfasize linux is to be pronounced lenux and not the more correct line_uxe. ;]

I've long suspected that Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) was counterfeit. :D

Pulse could still work better indeed - now you have to worry about both ALSA and Pulse, so it's still causing more trouble than it solves... and good catch on the VNC issue, I wasn't aware of that.

But otherwise - I wouldn't mind 9.10 as a LTS, considering how many teething pains the last LTS had. There's a lot of 'new' in 9.10, but right now the 'new' is mostly positive, including the option of fglrx that finally 'just works' on the common IGP chipsets and open-source drivers fast catching up, a GNOME update that seems to have fixed more than it broke, etc.

Trouble is, it's hard to tell if this means they're getting the 'process' down or if it's just an outlier. Any project will eventually spit out a lemon (Windows ME? Vista? Pick your favorite Apple bug?) ...

I suppose the real annoyance is that, right now, (not unlike the commercial OSes, but as noted prior, Ubuntu puts out 4 releases in the time it takes any commercial vendor to put out 1) Ubuntu still forces you to accept the lemons as part of the upgrade path unless you're hopping LTS to LTS. I'm not sure there's really a reason for this - in theory it should be fair game to completely nuke /usr/bin et al.
But as a BSD user, some early Linux brain damage means 3rd-party packages still install at the top of /usr instead of e.g. /usr/local (or /opt - what was the point of that again?), just as most configuration instructions now advise editing /etc/defaults/ rather than leaving them alone and dropping your local overrides in /etc (brillant!).
[And merging /etc at upgrade still remains a minor nightmare on any UNIX... perhaps it's time to reexamine that problem, since there are many obvious ways to make it less annoying/destructive.]

"an X-based splash screen which looks like a blind brown cylon licking its lips"

Comedy gold :D

I hope the Ubuntu devs aren't trying to pull a Windows-like stunt where the "boot time" is faster only because they allow you to log in before all the services and programs are loaded into memory. Then you get to wait for even longer while things load up before you can do anything productive. That is just ridiculous at best.

"Please drop the silly names and the brown theme.

Thanks.
posted by : David, 18 September 2009"

Grow up idiot! you can easily change the default colour. The names are a lot better than any commerical OS, at least ubuntu team has a sense of humor!

I wonder if masturbating over an operating system and calling people an idiot over the internet makes you feel better about yourself.

I suppose I'm going to have to try it to find out aren't I.

why does no one seem bothered there is a game called "Bastard Tetris" in ubuntu's store ??

like image windows 7 shipped with motherf***er minefield or fuc**r solataire.

i find it unprofessional, whilst im not offended by such language i know many people who would be, and i wouldnt want my kids asking me daddy can we play bastard tetris !!!!

at the very least there should be a child filter ????

Bastard merely means 'parents were not married'
No-ones bothered because its only a problem to people who are scared of their own shadows.
Now, if they had a game called windows7....

I have used Linux off and on over the years and have seen great improvements.
If I install xp on my dell netbook I have to spend another 45 minutes installing drivers anti virus etc, not to mention the never ending updates. Ubuntu has better hardware support than vista in my limited experience.You can change anything in Linux so if you don't like the colours quit whining.The hard working people in Ubuntu and other Linux flavours have nothing but admiration from me. Is linux perfect?
No find me and OS that is.
I run Linux on all my computers now with dual boot for Netflix online movies.My aplle was rotten, been done that road of over priced hardware.
And I dont even waste time talking about ms anymore, unless its how much I hate it.

I did not know that about the numbering system 9.04 and 9.10 is the release month, thanks.
Like I said I am pretty new to full time use of Linux. I still say it has come a long way since I tried out Suse, Red Hat, Corel even had a flavor of their own many years ago. Mandriva is OK but the best one I have tried lately and now use is Ubuntu. I gave Debian a try and hear Ubuntu is based off of Debian. I liked what I saw but it did not get my WiFi up and running on the install for me so back to Ubuntu. Like I said I am a novice at Linux and di not want to try and dig around user groups to get my WiFi up. I hear Ubuntu 9.10 will have a newer Firfox release (3.5), hopefully faster than the current version 3.0.14, multi-threading would be nice.
One thing I love about Linux is you can try out different flavors even though they seem pretty much the same, Gnome or KDE desktop ensures that.

@Regulas
You can easily have Firefox 3.5.x in your current Ubuntu release, whether that's Hardy or Jaunty.
Download Firefox 3.5.x from http://www.mozilla.com and extract it into your home directory, create a new custom application launcher for it on your panel (pointing it to the binary in your new Firefox 3.5.x directory), and in the "Preferred Applications" change the path to your "custom" Firefox 3.5.x binary.

Just make sure that you won't use your Firefox 3.0.x by mistake with the Firefox profile that you're using for Firefox 3.5.x

HTH
Albinootje.

Since when were VNC and Compiz broken ???

I have both working perfectly on Jaunty 64bit, I can VNC into Windows and Linux boxes equally.

I find Jaunty much better in all respects than I ever found Hardy, but everyone experiences different outcomes I guess.

I guess its like anything for every one person that complains about something there is probably many that don't have an issue

Just has to add my two cents worth !

Cheers

Richard

No u grow up, idiot!

I can and do easily change the default theme but do Windows users do that? Do MAC OS X users do that? Ubuntu is harming itself with its crap default theme.

And for naming. What OS do you have? XP, Vista, Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard? No?

Maybe it's Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, Edgy Eft, Jaunty Jackalope etc

Ubuntu is GREAT but please change these two things.

I have used Ubuntu for the last 3 years. It's easy, free and fun (I love changing my themes and CairoDock rocks).

If you're thinking about using ubuntu, don't trust these people who tell you that it's all too hard (It isn't!) just go to ubuntu.com and see for yourself!

Also, while I don't mind the default brown (I do change it, but that's just me liking purple and silver!) I personally love the fun names - keep them coming :-)

Been using Ubuntu for 3yrs and now it has become my main OS, displacing Windows, and I must say it is brilliant. I am very happy with it. I am using Ubuntu 8.04, and I have Ubuntu 9.04 on Dell's netbook Latitude 2100, which I recommend.

Ubuntu 9.10 is shaping up nicely. They have a few things on the boil which will not be fully implemented until 10.04 or even 10.10, but there is progress.

With the advent of fast broadband, Linux is getting more popular and with that progress is accelerating.

Ubuntu definately have taken over a leading position, but there is still far too many "arcane arts" required to get things working properly. I don't mind wasting time on something free, but there are several things that the Linux community have failed to address for years (IMO, and I may well have missed their resolutions).
1) MAN pages, or dare I say a self-help system that is actually usable. Not a million characters of gibberish that leaves only "comic book guy" laughing.
2) Online help without the superiority. If help is offered, it needs to be in a language that can be understood by the confused.
I keep giving up since I can never get by Cisco VPN client to work without selling my soul. Ran into a similar issue with Win7-64, but that was my fault for not checking first! Win7 had enough other issues to say "sod off!"

Compiz works
VNC works until you enable Compiz

IMHO, Ubuntu is great.
It is so great that it will probably win "Ugliest Linux ever" contest.
I'm not talking about brown theme. I don't care about themes.
It is ugly because it's half working highly NON customizable piece of crapware. It is trying to be more windows than Windows.
It is sluggish, unstable and non customizable (again).
In order to prevent misunderstanding, I compare it to what it(Ubuntu) used to be during first two releases and REAL distros like Debian and my favorite Gentoo. The later is not for everyone, but anyone who can handle Ubuntu will live happily with Debian.
P.S.
I'd like to apologize that I haven't mentioned other distros. But IMHO (Novell) is too connected to M$ which is not yet friendly enough. Fedora is RedHat's bastard which parent (RedHat) don't even believe in Linux desktop (or actually any kind of desktop), but some sort of cloud client(Good luck, i'll keep my pron where only i can reach it).
Other distros are not mentioned since they based on one of the mentioned or represented by mentioned (IMHO Gentoo is representative for Slack )

while some complained about weekend fixing of software... They have little to offer 'open source' that they either want to give or gave so freely to the beast from Redmond.

Ubuntu 9.10, is a teething bundle, at this time (for fact of the matter, the UbuntuOne tool, WAS GREAT...then some manager fixed it... Now It is uninstalled on my system... Going from a usable tool on my desk top, to a useless web site... bad...)

Any way, I am finding as updates occur (and they happen frequently) all the rough edges are smoothing out. The team is doing great work, and in a reasonably fast manner. (except for the botching of a good Ubuntu One tool...)

"while some complained about weekend fixing of software... They have little to offer 'open source' that they either want to give or gave so freely to the beast from Redmond."

Great, send them back to Windows. Then all the Linux geeks can b!tch about how nobody is using Linux and how Windows has the market share. So you refuse to put out a product people want to use, and when people say that it's unuseable, the response is to go back to Windows.

Fine, we'll do it.

kudos for trying to pick an Australian phrase to go with the Aussie animal, but...
"up a gum tree" is roughly equivalent to (somewhat less extreme than) "up sh!t creek without a paddle"

Just my A$0.02