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More AMD RS880 details tip up
WE'VE BEEN DIGGING around on Taiwanese shores for more details about AMD's RS880 chipset and have managed to pluck some 3DMark-06 benchmarking goodies from the golden sands.
The RS880, sporting AMD's new Radeon HD 4200 graphics core with integrated DX10.1 graphics, is purportedly close to 15 per cent faster than anything comparable currently on the market and also supports the firm's Stream tech [at least something does - Ed].
Our Taiwanese oyster sauces claim that RS880 is able to reach just a smidgen under 1,800 in 3DMark-06, although our satellite datastream was interrupted before we could ascertain the exact platform. In the absence of better information, however, we'll assume that this figure was measured on a Phenom II X4 955 system with 8GB of DDR3 RAM.
[We'll pause here while we wait for a phone call from Austin to correct the details we're reporting for an unannounced product.]
Checking the annals of Inq lore, we found Jen Hsun's 2004 speech about the amazing power of the then market leading NV40/6800 GPU. For comparison's sake, the GeForce 6800 used to score just over 1,500 in 3DMark-06, with ATI's standalone video card, the X800XL, clocking at just over 1,730.
Getting that kind of performance would have set punters back a not-insignificant $300 in those days, but that was then and nowadays, it's simply included in the chipset for free. Now that's what we call progress, DAAMIT!
Our leaky Taiwanese bucket has also managed to spill that we can expect the RS880 launch to take place in the last week of August. Word is that Taiwanese chipmaker TSMC will be making the part initially and the production ramp has already started, at least at a minimal level to fulfill 2H09 orders. But don't be surprised if, come 2010, Globalfoundries shows its claws and start competing for these parts on its 28nm process.
Anyhow, once our exclusive launch party tickets come through, we'll let you know. µ
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has a 3300 and is capable of 1800-2000 3dmarks already due to its sideport technology.
it doesn't need anything like phenom II 955 to reach that number.
1800 can't be right.....it must be a typo.
18k is more like it
I can dust off my copy of Jedi Knight 2 and make fun of the multiplayer geeks.
C'mon, I mean, really, the AMD bias here is really getting thick. Who is getting excited over this, really? Modern day tech that's equal in performance to 5 year old tech? Only on the Inq
Dave:
What are you talking about? The very next door article is a breathless description of Intel's upcoming monster processor. The bias is well balanced, I'd say.
Love your work M. Barak, keep it up.
1800 can't be right.....it must be a typo:
no its not, 1800 is right. 18k is very fast, you would need a crossfire os sli to get it! Dont be stupid people (nvidiots), they are talking about INTEGRATED GRAPHICS here and they are HANDS DOWN better than any other integrated graphics in the market! What they are saying is that it performs as well as what a $300 graphics used to cost you, you freaking morons!
If you dont know even the slightest of what your talkin about, keep your trap shut.
annals.
Why are there so many of you idiots in the world? We should have IQ minimums for internet use. The point of the article was that your integrated graphics are now power enough to play MOST modern games pretty darn well.
^^^
What he said....
Checking with Tom's Hardware Guide, it seems that they have these scores for the GMA 950 and GMA X3100...
GMA 950: 200
GMA X3100: 600
Looking at RS880, it seems that it will be around 3x faster than Intel's current offer and 9x faster than Intel's most popular integrated graphics of recent times
Is this kind of article important?
Well, seeing as Integrated is the number 1 choice for grpahics - it is really important for people to know that for 'no extra money', they can get something 9x quicker... surely?
God grief, you still believe the most stupid benchmark on the planet?
Everybody know that 3DMark is a pile of junk and benches in it's own digital world.
As well as having absolutely no resemblance to real work performance.
This has been proved over and over again.
Can't believe The Inq is this stupid by using them as reference....sad :-(
Oh dear Bas, if only you understood benchmarking, then you would be allowed to have an opinion
The reason that Dell, HP and all of the other top manufacturers have, traditionally, used Futuremark scores in their buying decisions, is because it has proven to be a good indicator/predictor of performance
Perfect? No. But, then again, nothing ever is
At the lowest level, for integrated chipsets, 3DMark is a stunningly good predictor of how a user's experience will be impacted by a change in chipset
@ Professor Tom: You have to say that 9x anything is pretty amazing
Bit harsh on the Bas, but fair comments all of em
What's funny here is that anyone here with an opinion (a biased one) won't be using this tech unless they need to build something for their step sister.
And I've taken three IQ tests in my life...
result 1: 123
result 2: 103
result 3: 81
So much for benchmarking.
Everyone I know uses integrated graphics on at least one system. Saying that no one will use it is pretty dumb. Up to G45, the Intel integrated chipsets couldn't handle HD video. They made a huge song+dance about it when it finally arrived, but they were 2 years behind Nvidia and Ati. Can we suggest that you slip your step sister something a little more potent than Intel integrated next time around?
is this useful? it doesnt sound particularly faster than 9400, and dont nvidia have a 40nm, 32 stream integrated GPU in the works for later in the year? that would put their integrated somewhere just below the 8600 ball park possibly.
Not bad by comparison... Almost equivalent to the 9400M (ION) in the Macbooks/Mac Mini/iMac
GeForce 9400M = 2000
Mobility Radeon HD 3450 = 1931
GeForce Go 6800 = 1900
GeForce Go 7600 = 1877
Mobility Radeon X1600 = 1821
Mobility Radeon HD 3430 = 1731
Mobility Radeon HD 3470 = 1574
GeForce 9300M GS = 1465
GeForce 8400M GS = 1326
Found what seems to be a definitive IGP shoot out over here in the States
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3430&p=4
If the RS880 is around 15% quicker than the 780G then gaming looks viable
Seriously weak performance from that G45 :(
For that added performance, seems cheap @ $90 6 Bbs' less than ddr2, sp biy big boards 955 is $189.
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Its not apples for apples.
Adding in the AGP bus /PCIe bus will add a lot of watts to the power draw.
On Laptops this makes a huge difference to your battery life.
Anyone wanna go off and research the numbers.
or maybe 'ultee god
TS Von D would tell us?
Cmon stewie, enlighten us as only u or castenada can
"or maybe 'ultee god
TS Von D would tell us?
Cmon stewie, enlighten us as only u or castenada can"
I really would rather chew on broken glass or stick pins in my eyes....
You would stand a better chance hanging seaweed outside your door!
Love,
Dave xxx
For equivalent comparisons, you'd need to test it with equal CPU's.
3DMark06 is highly cpu-dependent, so a 6800 scoring 1400 3dmarks back then in 2006 on a 2GHz Athlon64 would be like scoring 3000 3dmarks on a 3.6GHz quad-core Phenom2 today.
3Dmark05 would have been a better test, since it does not include those stupid CPU tests by default.
It's a lot of markeitng mumble-jumble kind of speech. And as poster above pointed out 3dMark 06 is heavily CPU dependant. So on some old X2 5000+ it won't score 1300 3dMark (and when clocked @3.2GHz usually somwhere around 15003dMark. Of course if we dont OC RS880 (better known 785G IGP) from stock 500MHz
So as a replacement board for some rather new CPU it can't deliver 1800-1900 3d Mark as it claims
But for some Propus based X2 200 series it easily jumps up to 1800 3dMark, probably 2x1MB cache makes some difference also. And if you put now usual budget X4 600 series CPU you'll probably score even more maybe even 2000 3dMark @500MHz hd4200 IGP And overclocking (which is poor on budget boards) is better solution but you wont reach 100MHz+ like on hd3300 (790gx) caused by poorer chipset/igp power supply and poorer "pricy memory chip" alongside
Poor thing for this chipset is inherited 2.1PCM disability (shared with780G/790GX chipset) and 22W TDP when some 790X waste only about 10W and some additional HD4550 (up to 15W in 3d). So the latter is much better solution from buggy 785G chipset that didnt resolve old problems but brought up new ones in terms of driver support for IGP and SB710
Nuff'said. And beyond that 1800-200 3dMark is enough only for some 2005 released game based on dx9.0b/dx90c not for some dsx10/dx10.1 needs. Beyond bare compliance ofc.