Linux news getting buried

Proof that too fewer people uses linux. Averages people had not been used linux that folks did not hear since 10 years ago. Too many people that become as their os habitat.

mmmmph..

If there's not much talk about linux and the open source, it might be well considering that these products have already gotten into the main stream. Meaning a lot of people are already familiar and comfortable about open source. A buzz usually occurs whenever products are being launched, bugs are being corrected, how lousy products are becoming and how nice products are but remains an elusive dream - because its pricey. Being silent or buried - again - on the other hand might just mean - its there - and it will be there - period.

Sounds like some trickery from MS again.
This story also sounds just like what happens here in the USA from our state run media and their messiah Oboma, no questioning him or his Marxist agenda.

... there's therefore no possibility that this story will ever make the light of day.

Quote: But it is also possible that if we start looking for links we should be able to connect suppression of Linux on digg to the assassination of President John Kennedy and the take-over of the White House by lizard people.

The last lizard person in the White House (actually a number of underground bunkers)was Dick Cheney. Bush was just a hand puppet. No? Have you heard from him lately? I thought not.

the Mad Winemaker, who is sorry that he can't do an off med von Drashek rant.

M$ has a long history of dirty tricks. This one is probably unusual in that it may be legal for their employees/employees of contractors to express their opinions by clicking on links.

We have seen M$ buy up Netscape CDs, teach "technological evangelism" to staff, including discrediting other competing platforms and the OP is skeptical M$ would stoop this low? Chuckle.

I've posted comments that would appear and then suddenly disapear on tomshardware. One comment went no further than to challenge anyone with a vista machine against my 4 year old xp/linux box in a snappiness contest meaning when I open an application, it opens up instantly without 20 seconds of fade in effects or disk grinding, or umpteen bazillion popups asking if I really really really want to open up an application while it tries to figure out what to do.

not all of us have weeks to burn just trying to get all of our software and hardware up and running properly

I can just imagine a department at Microsoft full of people paid to go and bury anti-Microsoft and Linux articles.

Between publications not wanting to make their sponsors (M$, for example) upset by writing glowing reports on Linux and the uninitiated who whine (got cheese to go with that whine?) about Linux being too hard, I can see it getting buried.

However it isn't only operating systems that fall to improper behavior of competitors; I have seen hardware take hits on user reviews as well. Too bad such immature behavior is hard to catch and deal with. Personally, I never use Digg or any other similar online site, so I don't see too many stories getting buried.

Since becoming a victim of this recession, I am free to use Linux all the time!! I can still do all the video, photographic and music editing in Linux that is possible in Windows. Open Office allows me formatting flexibility that Excel does not. If I am feeling industrious, I can open programs on multiple desktops and use the mouse scroll wheel to select the desktop I want....My only honest complaint is that Evolution sometimes leaves email on the server instead of deleting it - that is a small gripe as it has never crashed like Outlook sometimes does.

Anyhoo...back to the article: I would not be surprised if Apple didn't have some followers doing the same, so MS isn't the only culprit.

maybe the stories get buried because Linux people read them and think they're great - in the myopic think tank sense that the Linux community mostly sees Linux/Windows issues in. Then, the average user sees it because of digg and thinks the story sucks because they come from a different background with a different point of view and different priorities and don't live in their parents' basement?

and @mogwai, your 4 year old linux machine could not beat the pants off (or ever) my Vista machine because I have something that I paid good money for - super pre-fetch. See, the point of it is, it loads things you commonly use into memory BEFORE you even need it - sounds great huh? Let's see Linux/XP do that well. Oh wait - they can't.

"and @mogwai, your 4 year old linux machine could not beat the pants off (or ever) my Vista machine because I have something that I paid good money for - super pre-fetch. See, the point of it is, it loads things you commonly use into memory BEFORE you even need it - sounds great huh? Let's see Linux/XP do that well. Oh wait - they can't."

lol, we also can't defrag, and for the same reason: If you don't have a certain problem in the first place, you don't have to come up with a way to solve that problem.

Linux never needed that. It's done right.

I've been experimenting with RAM disk.
It means that slice of my 8GB dedicated to hold OS and programs binaries and config files (call it "C" drive). You can't do it. And even if you could , restarts will ruin the fun (OMG my computer wasn't restarted for 114days !!!).
But on the other hand we, poor Linux users, don't have the most important program of all. The AntiVirus !!!
The average converted usually asks "what AV software shuld I use" and it takes few minutes to explain that he does not need any outside MS world.

I think linux gets too much news actually. And so does windows.

Actually after using linux and windows for years I'm starting to get turned off from linux a bit.

Why? Package management, drivers, and stability are wearing on me.

Want stability, go for centos/ubuntu server lts, ok, but then drivers... well then you want ubuntu 9.04 or fedora 11 if you want the latest open source drivers, but if you want nvidia or ati drivers you don't want to run the latest kernels and versions of X or you'll crash, alot. Then we get to fun things like noapic and acpi=off kernel options, changing the clocksource because it runs too fast, pulse audio and network manager... and the woes continue... I should note half of my current linux boxes (about 24) work fine, but various tweaks and stuff have been required to get others working stable. And then there is package management, because you probably don't want php 5.1.6 if you're running a server using php and maybe you want a newer version of your database or whatever it is you run. You may want all of your other apps to be older and more stable, but I'm guessing there's a couple you actually want the latest version - and that's where binary distro's suck. If I start compiling them myself - easy to do, but now I'm mixing my stuff with the distribution packages and it gets harder to maintain your system. And now your own your own for support because you built it yourself ....

If idiot windows users wouldn't install viruses and loser programmers wouldn't write them...

but instead we're all screwed.

So Microsoft is causing Linux stories to be buried? Would MS ever do such a thing? They are, after all, a paragon of virtue and fair play. Never, ever convicted of unfair or monopolistic type activities, or anything like that!

But, maybe the answer is more than obvious, given who funded SCO to sue IBM and Linux for this and that. It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

Microsoft would do such a thing because otherwise people would find out that current distro's of linux are now ready for prime time and easy to use from empty drive to online in 30 minutes max.

Only those that can't work a keyboard have trouble setting up mandriva now

How did Gary Kildall really die? Suppose he'd lived to tell the *real* story, under oath, of how MSFT got the PC OS biz? Mighty convenient for MSFT. Things that make you go hmmm.

Yes, that is true I am one of the digg users, I read interesting news in fact I save it as my favorites yet it only has 2 or 3 diggs. On the other hand there are stories which cannot even be considered helpful but they were digg thousand times. I think it is not about how interesting your stories are, what matters, how many you know. One example is if your website is popular then you put a digg button at the bottom of your article many will digg it.

Obviously it's the MS Spy drones in conjunction with the reverse vampires that are conspiring to suppress Linux.

MS has a proven history of tipping elections, supplying guns to Windows-hypnotized zombies, and injecting secret nano-xp-mal-bots into US water supplies.
Recently they supressed Mousavi's victory in Iran to ensure continued rule of the anti-open source Islamic cabal.

Your rights will never be ensured until you UNDERSTAND the truth about how 'the man' (AKA Bill Gates) is actively preventing you from learning the truth about Linux through his Mind Control(ie. the 'so called' free media)
Please continue our 15 year pro-Linux boycott of television, printed media, and all corporate-sponsored internet content to ensure that your minds remain Open. The truthyness will set you free!

Linux is still perfectly findable to me?! o.o;

Just downloaded it like 2 weeks ago. Still trying to get used to it but like it MUCH more than vista but less than XP!

That Linux (and by extension, free software) can't be stopped by dirty tricks, It's past the point where it can be stopped by patents (it's a cash cow for IBM, who holds ALL SORTS of interesting patents - the fallout from THAT nuclear exchange would be HYSTERICAL). It's past the point where it can be Fud'ed (it's used everywhere commercially from routers and phones to midranges and mainframes); only the ignorant can sincerely deny it's utility). It can't be sued, it can't be bought, it can't be bullied. That's the nature of Free software.

Microsoft can even try and compete, but there is no target to compete against.

No, what Microsoft should do is USE the Linux kernel and it's awesome portability and driver support. Use Wine (already mostly there), which has an apache-style license, to produce a complete win32 (or win64) API that runs _in_userspace_. MS would NOT have to divulge it's source-code, it would still sell it's API and implementation. They would have access to all the architectures that Linux can run on, power, cell, sparc, arm, what-have-you.

Not that I expect that to happen until Monkey-Boy is gone.

booze, chaps, pipes... i don't think microsoft is hiring the hells angels ala the reolling stones

RE: andrew, 26 June 2009

Might I suggest you try Gentoo Linux? You can choose how stable you want to be and still have the latest packages. One of the big joys I have is the ability to continuously update. I have never reinstalled Gentoo either because there is no need unlike MS Winblows or other Linux distros.

Speaking of Linux news getting buried, I almost never read about Gentoo news. Ubuntu seems to be all the rage but no one seems to evaluate Gentoo Linux and if they do, they complain about compile times. They don't mention USE flags, continuous update and a vibrant developer community.

I used to 'digg' stories about linux. I tried linux for almost 6 months. Went back to XP, not worth the hassle. I now bury linux stories regarding desktop use.

Linux stories also got annoying, every crappy version update reached the front page (wine?). Windows users are also more defensive with Mac gaining ground after Vista so may bury rival stuff.

If you read Digg.com, which is the most abused, you'll note that many people have been attempting to make others aware--it is something that hasn't escaped notice.

Reading any Microsoft thread (where Linux is also discussed) where you will find any anti-Microsoft talk (or any pro-Linux talk) buried while any pro-Microsoft talk is always elevated--even beyond reason.

Reading some of those posts that are elevated you can see they lack credibility and are often just emotional feldercarb, yet they get high marks. My point is that you can see this if you attempt to follow these threads and are consciously observing.

Again, this sort of thing has been observed and noted by members of the Digg.com population, and it is good that someone did work to bring focus to it. It has been stated that this astro-turfing behavior by Microsoft shills will be the downfall of sites like Digg.

I suspect this attack on the sensibilities of the users of Digg that recognize the fatalities of Microsoft will end once Vista 7 picks up on sales. This is just a revving of the engine so to speak to practice on burying the facts about Vista 7 for it's release.

I'm a linux user.
I think sjvn has done more to hurt the world of open source than to help it. He is damn idiot. It is very hard to argue with a lightpost.

The thing that most over the top linux users don't realize is that linux news is looked for not stumbled into or dugg. I don't go to digg to read about linux. I go to any of the myriad of linux news sites. Digg users know about Linux and open source. So why read news about it unless its something really big. sjvn writes shit most of the time and he is just pissy because he gets buried.

Has it occurred to you that Linux news might be getting buried because the vast majority of readers just don't care about it AND because the vast majority of us get tired of the religious-style preaching from Linux advocates? Many pro-Linux stories can TEND to come across as whiny and many of them are written with an arrogant kind of superior attitude that says anyone who doesn't follow the One True Faith (of "free software") is some kind of idiot. Many of us don't appreciate that and we get sick of it, because we've made decisions to use other operating systems -- for reasons which make sense TO US. So a lot of Linux advocacy is getting "dugg down" because it's perceived as pure propaganda that we're sick of having shoved at us by zealots.

Why would anyone want to get their news pre-censored by a mob of busybodies?

At best, the busybodies are all acting independently, based on their prejudices.

At worst, they collude to suppress news.

It seems to me Digg was bribed by Microsoft. I have seen continuous Microsoft ads on Digg for quite a long time.

I don't see them in other news community sites but Digg has a lot of those Microsoft ads.

It looked very suspicious in the first place to me.

Is because MS monopoly of the marketplace that cemented the PC platform to Win32 (& Win64) environment. It has zero to do with inherent usability, easiness, or performance. Most likely reason for Windows on any desktop is because that is what society has dictated. Gaining true independence requires constant battle with this Windows addicted society. Hopefully one day I can run Linux without having to constantly battle the sickly society.

If the cause of the astroturfing were zealotry, then Microsoft articles would be buried at an even greater pace. There are Windows zealots/fanbois and then there is everyone else.

Linux garners much attention due to the fight against the worlds largest and most damaging IP thief, as well as the most notable criminally convicted predatory monopolist.

Clearly this astroturfing is, in the least, encouraged in some ways by Microsoft. And it is most certainly activity performed by people bent on promoting Microsoft. Linux was having an effect on windows. We've heard the quote "the digg effect". This certainly gave voice to a lot of negative outrage over Vista. Microsoft astroturfing now is just an attempt to head that off before Vista 7 is released.

the new world order will only have open source, but they're also gonna kill al but 500 million people on the planet!!!

"STORIES that praise Linux and open source software are more likely to get buried and are less likely to be popular."

Well thats certainly not the case here. All those other nasty operating systems get knocked here especially Microsoft

Suuure. It's a big conspiracy against discussing Linux...Yeeeesh *rolls eyes*

god, The biggest turnoff to me about Linux (other then the fact that it can be difficult to manage at times, and just doesn't run the apps that I need)
are the RABID FAN BOIS.

a. Linux is difficult for newbs and non techies...Still
b. MS does *NOT* bribe\conspire to thwart linux. My guess..is they don't care...The linux community has kept itself in a hole for the last 15+years..they don't need any help
c. Listen to yourselves! buncha wacko conspiracy theorists...Get a frikkin life! Run Linux if you like..talk about it if you want..but STOP WHINING!
How would you feel if MS fans endlessly whined about how the 'anti MS' media is suppressing windows?
My guess: you'd laugh at them for being losers...guess what? that's what you sound like.

why do people use digg in the first place?

It's about the dumbest damned idea since the anal probe, imo.

Have we just become such sheep that we want to go to a website that tells us what everyone else thinks is popular?

Screw that.

I'm part of the 1% and damned proud of it. Stop letting other people spoon feed you information.

Cheers,
Ghost

PS: Love how you and the Register look identical.

Linux is not news. It gets relegated to the status of "also ran" in the media because that's exactly what it is. There is little to no demand to know about it because the vast majority of people don't care about it.

Farah Fawcett's death was huge news but was suddenly eclipsed by the death of Michael Jackson. That's because compared to MJ, FF was no longer the top story. Sad maybe, but that's just the way it is.

There are still stories about FF out there but compared to what's available concerning MJ, it's basically insignificant.

Windows 7, and Microsoft in general, is news. They have the news cornered because they have the ability to capture the interest of the buying public and the publishing fraternity. After all, MS and the publishing boys all belong to the same "Big Boy" business club.

Linux simply has no standing in the business world, it only has standing in a few cubicles in the IT department in the basement. If Linux ever wants to compete and actually secure business worthiness and "newsworthy" status it will have to grow up, organize, learn how to market itself and then begin the agonizing process of actual competing in the real world. Until all that is done, Linux will never be anything but a bitchy little puppy growling loudly and nipping at the pant legs of the real contenders.

Damn brother!! Well said, and hits the proverbial nail right on the head.

You sound like me ... never listen to others and do the research to make up my own mind.

digg is for people who can't think for themselves. Which I might add, as a former high school teacher, seems to be an awful lot of people. The sad part is they actually believe they're independent thinkers.

i use linux at home. it's free and it's robust. well in my dualcore 3.33Ghz system. i'm getting these comments that linux are just for slow old PC. It depends what desktop you use. KDE, GNOME, etc. I'd say windowsXP is faster on my old P3-800 than ubuntu. but im happy wiht my linux box, loaded it with just everything i need, a web browser and a photoeditor.

i'm really tired of viruses, especially when idiots plug in their flash drives on your pc just that...

the only thing for now that would make me use windows is gaming and Visual Studio development.

microsoft own the channel and you're surprised at what comes out of it!?

linux was created by those who shrugged and plodded on, despite the furore

we don't give a toss what microsoft say because the proof is in the blue screen of death (which I've seen on Vista, XP, ME, 98 and 95)
feckin load of amateurs

Most of the news I saw were futile (lolcats and idiot of the day kind of crap). This is a problem with similar sites. Good news vanished from the front page quickly. I ended up going to sites which have some measure of editorial control. Like news.cnet.com, endgadget.com, slashdot.org, gsmarena.com, and of course this humble establishment.

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