Autistic petition for UFO hacker

Dan, that's harsh.

If the world's government's didn't keep so many secret's, then what world would we live in? anarchy? peace? i'll leave you to dwell on that fact..

Oh Dan, next time you get in to trouble, better you hang on to the soap, don't solicit such negative vibes against someone with a condition.

Moron

Dan is obviously oblivious to any of the facts about this story. Gary did not so much "hack" into PC's belonging to the US Government, but walked in through open doors. Gary also did not "cause" thousands of dollars worth of "damage", he highlighted just how pathetic the security is within various US Government organisations. If anything the US government should give him a medal, and loads of cash as a reward because he showed them how flawed their security systems are. Just think how bad things could be if he was a terrorist - he is not a terrorist, he is Autistic, and the UK government should say Phuq Off to the US Government.

The U.K. should honor its treaties. Breaking extradition agreements and treaties for the sake of a confessed criminal does not make sense for the UK. In addition it is unlikely Gary will spend any significant time in jail, he is better served by spending his effort in hiring powerhouse U.S. lawyers. With the right U.S. legal team he could have the vast majority of the charges dropped or plead out.

It may sound strange to You, yet wasn't Gary seeking information on unknown secret existance, that Gary might be friend to? Instead of: Son of SAM or Zodiac Killer, GARY Was Trying to Help Citizens of England, Maybe Even Find Cure for Stupidity.

ReTards Do Gurgle & Spit. Failing to see how ANY Such data could be classified, as its quite impossible, Gary Getting Same Shaft ALL Other citizens Get. FORGEIN "Court" nitwits, whom care less, except LETTING GO, which is another Space alien Problem.

Reality checks:
Why send the a sic guy to Siberia.
Why not pay him for revealing the sad state of security for free, or almost, if he is revarded.
Why not give him a UFO -shirt and stop spending taxpayers money on this.
Oh well, the layers, Almost forgot them.
Reminds me of an old lady who had five cows. The crooks took three, the layer took two.
"Jonathan Swift", the other day, ago.

Why stop at Autism and extradition?

Make it illegal to arrest anyone with any ailment.

That should just about cover everyone in England, with the possible exception of the INQ staff.

In fact, why have any laws at all? Laws infringe on human rights, such as the right to be an incomparable a**hole.

Or better yet, make everyone an MP and give them one of those nifty expense accounts.

"Why stop at Autism and extradition"

Sorry, I did not get your point.
However, the way legal systems seem to work is that words like "Autism" are considered.
A "situation" like that could also affect the way "humans" feel about the crime. (not talking about you, of course?)
But, as far as I see it, the guy walked into an open library to look and read about UFO:s. He never stole any books, nor did he shit on the floor or do any harm to the library.

How many days in prison do you think he deserves. And how many days are you prepared to pay for.

As someone who's been campaigning for REAL autism rights for the past 5 years, the focus on Gary's case as one of autism rights completely sickens me.

He did the crime, he gets the same punishment as anyone in the same situation would - special privileges (immunity to extradition) set a bad precedent towards removing personal responsibility (and thus in the longterm fundamental human rights) from autistics.

"he is not a terrorist, he is Autistic"
What a wonderfully blind statement to make - I question whether a private individual with no political goals can be considered a terrorist strictly, but I don't question at all whether an autistic can also be a terrorist - criminal behaviour is found in all neurotypes and should be punished equally.

@Lars The systems and areas he accessed did not exist to provide information to the public like a library. They were restricted systems and he knowingly snuck in with a full understanding that he was committing a crime by doing so. The analogy would be more like him sneaking into a governmnet facility with signs that say 'unauthorized entry is a crime' and then going into a room with cabinets that have locks on them with signs that say 'unauthorized access is a crime' and then read the files without asking permission and then when he is caught start to complain that he should be let go, eventhough he admits to the crime, because the guards were sleeping and the door was unlocked. Ridiculous.
I do agree that he is small fry and should not do much time at all (and I imagine he probably won't do more than 6 months in jail).

Tavi..honour all treaties eh? even one sided ones? No way. You lot can't even be bothered to sign, so no. McKinnon stays here in the UK. I'm not having him in a US jail for any length of time.

like the photos we have seen of prisoners being tortured by US guards. Every country with a US treaty should not honour these until the US torture crisis is resolved.

Most of the prisoners were untried and eventually let go, no charges were ever brought against most of them.

Some say it's US policy to go into the Middle East and stir up some hatred and put several sides at each other's throats. Then sit back, supply arms to all sides, and watch them kill each other while the US gets all the oil to pay for the guns they supply. Anyone want to contact Col Oliver North, this looks like deja vu.

There are no grounds IMHO for saying that Asperger's prevents people from knowing right from wrong.

In any case what criminal fully appreciates the repercussions of being caught? Few of them, else they would not do such stupid things at such a great personal cost for so little gain. Stupidity is no defence in the law nor could it be. If it was most criminals would never be convicted.

Aspergers is IMHO an important consideration when deciding how to treat him humanely in general and punish him in particular.

Do most of you whiners here know what Autism / Aspergers is?

It is highly individual, there are for example low functioning autism (like rainman) and high functioning autism (more normal, but "odd").

Saying that he should be extracted or not because your OPINION of his diagnosis is unscientific when you do not even know how severe his Autism Spectrum Disorder is.

Myself i would not "pass mustard", since i am high functioning and have a sense of morale, but assuming that EVERYONE is the same and have theory of mind is just STUPID.

In short, if you do not know what autism is, please STFU.

He did the crime, he got caught, he's gonna be punished. Now granted his confinement would be different from others on the basis of his mental condition, ie he would more then likely be locked up in a miltary mental installation so those watching over him have security clearences incase he starts mouthing off about something he snooped as opposed to a standard federal prison but his aspergers is not a fact in weither or not he should be extradited. Oh and to clarify what I mean when I say something he snooped I'm not suggesting he actually found anything about aliens or UFO's but odds are you go poking around in the governments computers for something you think they are trying to keep secret you'll probably end up seeing atleast a few unrelated secrets along the way.

Everyone also seems to be under the mistaken impression that aspergers is a truely debilitating condition just because it's a form of autism. Aspergers sufferers are generally fully functional individuals who are no worse off then the average awkward highschool student who suffers from OCD. I'm not saying aspergers doesn't have it's problems but by the time you reach your mid to late 20's, as gary did around 20 years ago, you're generally more then capable of functioning in society.

It remind me of that film with Bruce Willace and Alec Baldwin as the evil guy. He [Alec] was selling to the U.S. government some uncrackable code, but the people working under him sent in a newspaper in a puzzle the formula hidden to normal people but the autistic could detect. They called the operation "Weeding out the geek factor"

The code generated a telephone number to call and a phrase to say. Rest of the story Hell brakes loose to save the child from the killers.

Can't think of the title of the film, shoot!

Just to think, your own mind can be a source detrimental to national security? That is really paving the road towards thought control, just a side point, mainstream religions are on their way out on lulling the masses to sleep, with controlling thought in the most subtle fashion.

Too bad when they wake up they will be right in the middle of Anarchy.

Gary McKinnon is going to be crusified because he uncovered holes in the US government's network they said they had fixed and got a few hundred million to do so. Then along comes some cracker that showed that they did not fix anything but the money was gone. This is nothing more then misdirection of the real problem. Where did they spend that $300M if they never fixed what was supposed to be fixed using thoughs funds.

@Quatermass Monster treaties are not one sided they are agreed upon by both parties. If there are problems with the terms you renegotiate, you don't simply break them without serious cause otherwise treaties would be worthless.

@interested_party It is reasonable to block extradition of Gary if any of his charges fall under terrorism while the U.S. is investigating torture of terrorism suspects (that is a good argument and I imagine it would not violate the treaty because lack of torture was probably an assumption when the treaty was signed), however, if the terrorism aspects of the charges (if they even exist) are dropped then there would be no grounds for blocking the extradition.

Speaking about worthless broken treaties,will you talk about every treaty the U.S. gov. broke with the Native Americans(Indians) ? From what I've heard the U.S. Gov. broke every one they made between late 1700's and early 1900's . The U.S. gov. is FAR from being a group of angels, VERY FAR.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x359zo_the-man-from-boston_fun

The film that you are thinking of is called mercury Rising.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120749/

I suffer from AS myself but I have no inclination to start hacking military machines for UFO secrets.

I don't like it how AS sufferers are suddenly being tarred with the brush that we cannot control our own selves and need the nannying of others to keep us on the straight and narrow.

Any sort of illness should not be used as an excuse for breaking the law.

Cheers,

For a start, you cannot begin to comment on the kid's condition without

a) knowing the severity of it and b) knowing first hand about Asperger's Syndrome and Autism in general.

Even these claiming to have (it in the comments) need a re-think of their opinions. It's a spectrum - essentially specialists have a tick box to say if 'this' applies, (s)he /may/ have it. Enough ticks and they try to form an opinion of the degree of disability.

Put in the simplest terms, in AS and autism their brain aren't wired right. They can be hyper-sensitive to some things (noise, lights being common) and tend to be clueless about social signals.

Many people with AS manage to adjust and, a few quirks aside, fit right into society, from shop workers through to lecturers and research scientists. Others, at the extreme of the range, well you are talking round the clock care...

ALL THAT ASIDE: I don't think in this case he should be extradited. Two reasons - neither to do with his alleged condition: Firstly they have manage egg on face and want to make an example of him. Never going to be a fair trial.

Secondly. Sick to death of governments - especially the UK and US covering up stuff 'for our own good' Like the MP's recently tried to hide their expenses because 'we just wouldn't understand'. Like the sleazy MP's, *IF* there's any truth about UFO's it will come out eventually. However, one has to ask, if it's a load of balony, why is it hidden, locked up and protected by national security...

This is a response for
Interested_party. You act like the USA
is the only country that torture's
prisoner's. I do not condone it and
did not vote for either Bush but you
have to remember we had planes fly
into our building's killing innocent
people just doing their job to make a
living. We had a terrist attack!
There are other country's that do much
worse on a daily basis than the USA.
So do not pick on my country when we
are the ones who are ALWAYS bailing
out other country's with money or
support!