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GT300 delayed till 2010
IT LOOKS LIKE Nvidia engineering is getting right back into its old fighting form once again. The GT300 chip is delayed until 2010, and the GT21x parts seem to be MIA.
The big news is of course the GT300 delay. A few weeks ago it was promising insiders parts in October, a goal that was laughably unrealistic given that the tapeout was set for June. It seems that realism might be poking it's head through the Santa Clara FUD, er... fog, and NV has told those who need to know that it will be Q1 2010 now. Given its timeliness of late, we think it should append a bold "Maybe...." to that though.
We are not sure if it is a delay to the tapeout, or a delay for said fog lifting, but I would bet on tapeout delay. In fact, if I were to shake the magic 8-ball of GPU futures very hard, I would bet that tapeout was delayed, and it is still not being realistic on time to market. That said, as of last week, sources deep inside big green had not gotten their GT300 themed tapeout party hats and related bonus materials (and one of these too).
That brings us to the GT215/216/218. They were set for about now earlier this year, then nothing. The silence is deafening. In fact, the silence is so deafening that Nvidia is jumping up and down talking about mobile 40nm parts now instead. We hear it is having massive 40nm yield problems, something you simply can't have for your intended high volume parts.
So, to change the subject, 40nm is all about mobile now! Ignore the fact that ATI has a very successful 40nm part out in the 4770 - Nvidia is telling OEMs to not position 9800 products against that because it can't match the price. The 40nm products that should compete with it are.... Mobile, did we mention Mobile?
We are hearing rumors of an editors day in mid-May, so the usual 2-week time line to introduction puts the 40nm launches at Computex. That means Nvidia won't have a competitive part in the meat of the market for almost all of Q2.
But all is not lost, we also hear Jen-Hsun is being tapped for a Hot Chips 21 keynote. That should be a morale booster for the green team, and if minor miracles happen, he might even have early silicon to show off. Given the rest of Nvidia's competitive situation, that will be the (singular) bright spot for Nvidia in the near future. µ
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February 11th, anyone seen a Fermi yet?
Trying to hold out on my build for a Fermi, but its not coming this month, but wait Not many retailers are restocking the GTX2xx series cards because the Fermi cards where supposed to be here 4 months ago...
Am I gonna have to buy an ATI card?
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I have Radeon HD 5870 and
Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 1GB
I be ohnest. Its not so much difference beetwen the two cards. The performance are almost the same.
I play street fighter 4 and the graphics are the same on both cards.
+ATI CARD DONT MAKE SO MUCH NOISE
-GeForce GTX 285 is making a bit of high sound after 4-5 hours of gaming.
TO be ohnest you dont need to upgrade you graphic card for 3-4 years. Unless your an idiot llike me and have 2 computer and wasting away money for a new video card go ahead. Im pretty sure its not worth it.
Im very sure I wont upgrade my video card until it has gone 4-6 years atleast :D
omg none of you people have any lives, seriously, agruing about who sells what more, or who makes more money, or some other crap, all i wanted to know is when the gt300 came out so i wouldnt have to buy the 5870. but instead all you idiots can do is beat off to statistics than MEAN NOTHING! i mean would you morons prefer to only have 1 company to sell graphics cards? so that that 1 company can be a monopoly and rob us blind? you people are so short sighted and immature you make my eyes bleed reading this dribble. both companies are great, not stop bashing each other for petes sake.
ATI or NVIDIA comes down to what one is easier to install and use. For example, if you have a laptop with a NVIDIA card, you can get drivers straight from the nvidia site. If you have an ATI card though, you have to hack the drivers up to work with your laptop.
ADDITIONALLY the ATI control panel requires damned Dot Net 3.0, which is just a pain in the ass.
The GT300 / 40nm Era might be the last NV Card I will get
of cause if they delay to long I might have trashed this pc before they come out ...
( I was going to get some 285's but then hunted down the road map and saw these 40nm's )
Currently wanting to replace my old 7900 GS's in my P5nt WS Pc
I do not want to stay with Intel much longer
( was always an AMD fan until the Intel Duo's Came out damn those I7's are tempting)
as soon as I See an Nice AMD/ATI Rig that comes out with Great Power savings and massive performance compared to Intel/NVidia I will be back as an AMD fan
( been out of the loop for 3 years :P does ATI have anything like CUDA ? yet ...)
I think it is stupid how we are guessing when GT300 will come out, considering how many times Charlie has been wrong. I am not a Fanboy, I have owned equal amounts of Nvidia and ATi cards roughly, and whilst I was happy with them all, neither of them are free of issues.
Currently my GTX295 runs quite hot, as in 90C under load, however I haven't had any problems with it as of yet.
And my Mobility HD4850 has a hard time wanting to be updated with newer catalysts, they just don't install which is a bummer so I am stuck from running them from the CD I got with the laptop.
Whilst Nvidia may have the best card on the market, ATi has recently reduced prices alot, and seem a much better buy for the moment (especially due to the economy).
Sure we can keep guessing who will "win" with the next series of cards, but just wait until they are released before flaming them.
The GT300 has taped out:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/5/16/nvidia-g(t)300-already-taped-out2c-a1-silicon-in-santa-clara.aspx
Doesn't Charlie get sick of eating his own foot?
Is that the delays are most likely due to TSMC's yield issues at 40 nm. Note that R870 is also delayed (though it'd be a cold day in hell before Charlie ever discussed that). I'll grant that Nvidia's architecture might cause it to be more affected than AMD, because of their larger die sizes, but really Charlie's being even more biased than usual on this one.
It's one thing to spin the facts, but entirely another to lie by omission. In this case, I'd even go so far as to say Charlie's flat out (and very deliberately) lying here. Not cool ... getting close to where the Inq should cut him loose, and let him do his thing on his own site.
Hey Nigel, would you mind sending your 4870X2 to me? You don't seem to like it anyway... and I'm stuck with Intel integrated crap here.
Nigel Preece = Lil cry baby that pees in bed at night! LOL.
Pretty stupid also, as he spend so much in crappy hardware (as he refer to his 4870x2 POS)...
I've used graphics cards from damn near every generation from ATI (Rage Pro - HD4000) and nVidia (TNT, TNT2, GeForce, GF5, 6, 7, 8, 9) that were actually worth spending money on. I've had cards from BOTH manufacturers fail. The 1 thing I have not experienced from either manufacturer in the last 24 years of computing....is a driver stability problem. That leads me to conclude that only a few possible things happened. Either...
1, you're just too stupid to operate a computer.
2, You can't stay away from porn sites and your computer is infected with every known virus.
3, You attempted to build a computer but did absolutely no research and therefore your drivers are conflicting.
4, You've never experienced a problem and you're just too much a fanboi to admit it.
As for the comment I read from Nigel about HD3870X2 and HD4870X2 using the same driver. It's called Unified Driver Architecture....thank nVidia. Unified Driver Architecture was started by nVidia years ago to make updating drivers faster and easier because they only have to create 1 driver with "pre-sets" in the installer for each supported card.
GT300 being delayed until 2010. IF this turns out to be true....I hope it's in the interest of reduced power consumption. Sorry, but a 1000watt PSU is excessive for a desktop PC. ATI and nVidia both need to take some time, sit down TOGETHER and work on ways to reduce power consumption. If any has seen the GF9400M used in nVidia's "Ion platform" you know that nVidia is more than capable of creating a power conscious product. nVidia's "Ion Platform" draws less power under full load than their 9600GT graphics card does. THIS IS PATHETIC. nVidia needs to look at their history and restart their trend for being innovative.
This last part is directed at Nigel. Obviously you're too stupid to understand that graphics cards make almost no difference what so ever in WoW. WoW is a CPU bound game. I went from a GeForce 7600GS, 8600GT, 8600GT in SLI, 9600GT to HD4850...all with the same processor...and exact same framerates. If you took 15sec to read the Blizzard forums and the complaints about low framerates, you'd have seen where Blizzard told people that WoW is CPU bound by design to allow the broadest range of graphics cards (nVidia GF4-GT200, ATI Radeon 9000-HD4800).
...why isn't my willy bigger ?
You're calling me a bias fanboi? This is quite interesting coming from you. Both my posts contain 100% fact. The evidence is overwhelmingly supporting my claims.
Now as for me being an AMD (ATi) fanboi... google "ElMoIsEviL"... have fun I'm all over the place and have been since 1994. I am not a fanboi. I move from one architecture to another based on which architecture I deem superior to my needs. This has led me to ALWAYS purchase the latest and greatest (I care not for the most bang for the buck and never have but that's just me).
You have made some new claims which are not supported by the evidence. Company of Heroes: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2327872,00.asp
I don't see the problem you're mentioning according to that link. As for Fallout 3, ANY 4870 X2 user knows that what you're saying is pure bullox (Fallout 3 runs better on AMD/ATi hardware then it does NV). I think your issues are elsewhere (if you even REALLY do have a 4870 X2).
Now you claim you're 20 years old and that you make double my hourly rate. First of all I'm older then you but that's besides the point. To me you are a kid. I also HIGHLY doubt you make double my hourly rate (not that it matters).
I don't really need an alias. If you Google ElMoIsEviL you'll get my full name as well as other info. This is who I am online. Whether it is gaming or in forums.
You went out and bought 2 4870X2 cards and were surprised when it didn't scale 100% on each card....
Even ATi realised that above 2 cards scaling wasn't worth it, so they didn't promote Quad Crossfire so much, you barely hear about it.
I've had Video cards since the 512Kb S3's.
I enjoy gaming, and replaced my 8800GTS-640Mb with a nice 4870 1Gb.
The GT200 series were known to be behemoths, and they have possibly screwed up the Next Gen for this year...
Don't have any problems with BluRays or anything....
If anything, I've always had better image quality (subjective to my eyes) with ATi than Nvidia.
Competition is Good, but look at the market.
The Big V8's are dying, the small turbo charged cards are doing better ;)
You are the definition of a bias fanboy. Your opinion matters very little to me just as neliz's response. But let me reply this one time. Why would I seriously make this up? Making up information is Charlies job. Not mine I work as a Webmaster, In addition any response I post to explain my statement you will dislike.
3.6 Q6600 (Yes this means overclocked)
8GB 1066 DDR2 RAM
4870x2
2x 250GB HDD drives 7200 in RAID 0
1TB HHD Black
Vista Ultimate x64
x38
32 inch monitor
So let me continue providing more examples. Company of heroes. You see, using the same settings as 1920 x 1080 in DX10 settings will not render the game correctly. 2x AA, everything else on ultra. The mini-map starts glitching up, and the performance grinds to unplayable fps 20-30s, the game is unplayable online.
The next example, is Fallout 3 where v-sync is off. All settings on high 1920 x 1080 and the game play isn't smooth and has low fps. In terms of low fps in the 30s-40s. Whats interesting, is my GTX280 was able to run the game fine with no issues, I would take my 9800MGTX over my 4870X2 when playing fallout 3 because of the lag issues.
If you would like more examples I can arrange it. But the card (videocard) runs really well using the application 3dmark06. Which that and World in Conflict can run quite amazingly. But World of Warcraft performance is horrible. As in low fps, jumpy frames going from 5-45 in wow. The settings were on high with 4x AA. The average frames were 20-25fps.
Hopefully, this will rule out the argument that I'm lying about game issues. This is why I will be upgrading to the GT300 when it is released.
But let me get back to the part of you calling me a kid. I'm a young adult of the age of 20. I make double in terms of an hourly rate than you do. I've lived more in my small lifetime, than you have or can possibly imagine. I don't go into details because a person should be able to comprehend what 1080 should mean when talking high resolutions. Let me leave you with this, I don't need to use an alias when posting on the internet. I don't make childish remarks to people.
HARRRROW!
Pwease don't say bad things about my NV, please. It makes me sad & unhappy.
Only liars say things that make me sad and unhappy.
NV is the bestest ever, ever. I hug it when I cry myself to sleep at night.
Respect my NV, it's the only one I got.
Well done Charlie ... another excellent effort.
Their stock price is falling as I post.
Some small comfort for all of those jilted laptop owners with fried mobile graphics chips I guess.
Sticking 2 X ATI 4770 elcheapo 40nm parts in crossfire should put a few more coffin nails into the beast.
Fellow NVHateboy
Charlie you look so sad with your big sad eyes and your big sad frown, the world doesnt have to be so grey!!!
Bee Tee Dubs, even if your source is right, im glad they are making sure they get a good product out instead of a bad one quick. If anything, this is an honest business strategy that you'll never admit. Cheers
what will nvidia do when both intel and amd introduce their itegrated cpu/gpu units with sufficient performance to exclude addon cards nvidia does :):):):)
Nvidia Had Big Break on Open GL Nature of 6.000 & now 7.000. Except Nvidia Does Little or NOTHING To Step Past 690 era. While AMD Preps 890, Nvidia isn't compatible, in Many Reliable Ways.
Will Microsoft See that AMD/ATI has Finest Product in Parrallel Way? Slip To NEW OPEN CL & Voom Past Nvidia Snorting In Truffles of xp. That Dated & Feeble O/s. Just Installing xp makes Most Experienced Techs, Nausieous. drashek GTX 395 or DEATH.NOW.(Cinco D' Mayo Chant)
I like the Charlie news with bashers - it's like Tom & Jerry cartoons, neither one would be good on their own :P
I hope this never ends :)
Even people who don't understand all of that should understand Nvidia's revenue has been falling like a rock yet they are maintaining or gaining market shares so revenue (and therefore profit) per share/unit must be falling like a rock too. :)
Alhough not too sure how Mercury Research and Jon Peddie Research counts market share and if shipped means from Nvidia/ATI to end users or just to their AiB partners...
Oh, and another one for Charlie... Oct. definitely seems way too soon given there was no report of tapeout... :)
Nvidia SHIPPED 66% of the market but they don't SELL 66% of the market.
There is quite a difference. One of the reasons why Nvidia constantly rebrands older cards into 'newer' ones is due to millions of unsold gpu's.
Unsold 9800gtx's get sent to Nvidia who stick on a 'gts250' badge and send them back, all counting towards the 66% of the total shipped cards of course.
Some folks here just don't understand what Charlie is stating. The issue right now for nVIDIA is their cost per unit sold vs. price each unit is sold for. nVIDIA have an enormous issue with their pricing (it is ensuring they operate at a loss while AMDs GPU division being ATi operates at a gain).
How can that be if nVIDIA control more market share you ask? Simple. AMDs 48xx series cards (specifically the 4850 and 4870 cards) use a 256bit memory interface (less memory chips than the equivalent nVIDIA products). Not only that, the 4870 makes use of GDDR5, which means that AMD can compete with nVIDIAs big boys with half the memory chips on the PCB, half the traces on the PCB therefore less PCB layers. This means that on this simple point... each AMD 4870 sold derives TWICE (you heard it) twice the profits of each GTX260 sold but it's far worse than that. nVIDIAs GTX260 GPU is far more complex to make (far larger), which translates to a larger die therefore less DIEs per waffer (boosting costs). Not just that it goes even further than that, nVIDIA yields are then affected by having a far more complex chip (less chips make it though quality testing less profits).
Yes, it's that simple. for each GPU AMD sell they make around 2-3 times the profit of each GPU nVIDIA sell (ball park figure based on Intel vs. AMD semiconductor data for their CPUs). This allows AMD to drives prices further down (as we've seen) effectively starving nVIDIA and cutting into their profits (which we notice with the heavy losses nVIDIA is taking).
There some facts :) Anyone with true knowledge in semi-conductor technology would concur that this is indeed what is occurring.
Chris Evenden do you really comment on these posts? You're still with ATi?
As for the Mr. Nigel Pierce... you state that nVIDIA has the largest video card market share (which is false). Intel has the largest video card market share, followed by nVIDIA then by AMD (formerly ATi). You state nVIDIA have great drivers and that ATi's drivers "suck". Could you please elaborate how they suck with concrete examples (we will know that you're lying btw). You mention Bluray playback and high resolution FPS, I don't see either being a problem from AMDs latest cards (and I know neither to be a problem from personal experience). Now you even go as far as claiming that the Radeon HD 4870 X2 is a "piece of crap" again.. elaborate. It works solidly in every game I've had the distinct pleasure of tested it with. You then make some claim about high resolution 1080.. do you mean 1920x1080? I don't consider that high resolution (as I game at 2560×1600 but that's just going into details).
Now if that's not absurd enough... you go on to claim that both the Radeon HD 3870 and Radeon HD 4870 use the "same damn driver". If you are referring to the unified driver approach being used by both nVIDIA and AMD than you are correct (of course each Device ID is specifically configured by the unified driver and since the 3870 and 4870 don't use the same device ID your comment is quite misleading). I own nVIDIA hardware. I purchase what is best for the games I run. I personally don't care much for bang for the buck (which AMD is ahead in anyways) and instead prefer downright performance and image quality.
Seriously kid.. get a life.
i just bought a pair of GTX260 OC for 290 quid. they destroy GTX285, 4850 X2, they trash the 4870 X2 for 40 quid less, and give GTX295 a run for its money, despite costing at least a hundred quid less. best high end bang per buck, if you also go by the recent GPU review i saw. nvidia are hardly in a terrible position....
Both ati and nvidia have decent drivers most of the time but the right card with the right set of drivers = problems.
radeon 8500 would blue screen in halo
geforce 5700 would blue screen in unreal tournament
geforce 8800 blue screened all over the place when vista came out
radeon 2900 texture trashed in ut 2007 at first, etc etc
it's life on the bleeding edge...
those are some examples from personal experience and all of them were corrected with newer drivers eventually.
I really don't think the overall quality of ati or nvidia's drivers is that much different. In my experience you'll have problems with both in some games and apps and newer drivers generally fix it.
These are highly tuned drivers dealing with lots of low level programming that aren't in the same league as probably any other software on your system.
I'm sure nvidia outsells ati though. And probably by a wide margin. But outselling doesn't mean they make more money, plus ati is in the wii and xbox 360 and nvidia is in the ps3 so there's more than just graphic cards to consider when evaluating these companies.
fans comparing share prices and market share again? sigh... i seriously doubt that there are any shareholders in here and as such why argue that line?
nv being late is a bad news for everybody.i take back my earlier statements that available performance of top models is sufficient. better preforming cards are needed. badly. crysis? f...k that mindless, idiotic game , try FSX! that eats all the preformance you can throw at it and asks for more .
in any case i hope nv will use this opportunity to regroup and get a kickass card together. and by kickass i don't mean better space-heater. whenever that happens.
@nigel: If you don't know "Sapphire" I am pretty sure that after everyone has stopped laughing they'll tell you that you probably don't know to much about video cards.
@Nigel
I'm glad to see that you are not simply an NVIDIA fanboy and that you have done your reasearch, etc. It may have been brand specific as Sapphire does miss sometimes with there cards (although my 4850 is sapphire I cannot compare it to yours as the card has a very different architecture)
@Bounty
I did mention them and I thought people would understand that I was talking about the current generation of GPUs which would exclude the 8 and 9 series (which have a completely different GPU core)
Although they do compete very well, they cannot financially compete with the 4800 series or the 4770 for much longer for the same reason AMD is having trouble competing with Intel (the SIZE of the chip is much larger and more expensive to make which = low margins)
Not that I hate AMD.
The fact is that the success with the 6 series gave them enough momentum and loyal customer base to continue till the point at which they can no longer compete (which would be around the time the 5000 series comes out if there are enough delays on the GTX 300 which is architecturally more like the 4800)
Haha I knew I couldn't read three articles by Charlie in a row without one of them bashing nV :-D
Maybe Ati can finally kick some serious butt with their current and upcoming portfolio.
Glaedrin on DX10 marketshare
"Of all the these the 4800 sereies GPUs count for 9.46% while the all GTX series COMBINED equal to 4.04%......... You can conclude from this information that the market share for ATI (for current gen only) is equal to around 70% ***Guesstimation***"
You even mentioned the 9800, but chose to exclude it. Why? It is the direct competitior to the 4800 line.
You forgot to add 19.13% Nvidia 8800 and 8.06% Nvidia 9800 to the current Gen (DX10) only market share numbers. Notice I didn't include 8600 etc since they can't use DX10 and still give useable performance. The 8800/9800 however are perfectly competitive with the 4830-50 etc. that is included in your ATI numbers. Now if you want I'll add the 3850(.91%) and 3870(1.09%) to ATI so we have apples here as well. They can sometimes do DX10 at surviveable speeds.
ATI 11.46% v.s. Nvidia 31.23% of useable DX10 cards. The 9800's are positioned with the 4770 and 4830/4850 range. Anyway you cut it you have to include the other Nvidia cards since they sell 9800's to compete with the 4800's and as Charlie likes to boast they're just 8800's hence their inclusion.
We would have loved to have followed up on the success of 8800 and lead the way with DX11, but our tape out is not going according to plan and our schedule has slipped.
Technically, with a reference rasterised running on Pentium III cores, Intel can lay claim to the first DX11 hardware (but only in the same way that Icarus was the first low cost airline).
Big apologies to Valve, EA et al...
...but we are completely unable to supply early hardware and - to prevent your games slipping - we recommend that you apply to ATI for an early sample of its brand new 5x00 class card - with full support for all the new shader technologies and a mature Windows 7 driver.
Please tune back to nVidia around 2013 where we will once again lead the world - this time with DX11.2
I purchased 2x 4870x2s. I ended up selling one because I got better performance out of just having one card. Both cards (4870x2s) were from sapphire, I'm not sure if its a name brand or what. But both cards preformed the same. I have to roll back to 8.7 cat drivers to get blu-ray support. Which doesn't help me since I play far-cry 2 ect. I'm not mouthing off at ATI. My findings were based on the fact that the 4870X2 has problems playing anything past 1650 x 1050. I have owned the following cards similar to yours 5200, 5700, 6800LE, 7950GX2, 8800GT, 9800GTX, GTX280, 2x 4870x2, now just using one. So, what are the odds that you have 2 of the same video cards from the same brand which both preform the same? I don't think it would have been an RMA issue. They scored around 22K in 3dmark06 so I would assume nothing is wrong. It comes down to bad drivers. Please note I'm not bashing the hardware of ATI simply the drivers.
The first NVIDIA card I owned was a 5500GT, it was not so great. Then I got a 6600GT that was arguably one of the best cards I've owned.
I then got a X1900XT which performed admirably untill it gave up the ghost in January and I got a 4850.
As I recall, I have never had Driver issues whit ANY of my cards, and Video quality is pretty musch the same on both brands, I do not appreciate you bashing ATIs drivers.
I am not biased toward ATI or NVIDIA but the fact is that I've had more problems with friends comps that have NVIDIAs cards installed die on them than ATI cards.
I admit this may be a coincidence, so I do not have ill feelings towards NVIDIA but did you try to RMA the 4870X2 or are you mouthing off ATI while using a defective card?
BTW Blu-rays and games run fine on my 4850 and ATI does update their drivers about once a month.
If it weren't for Nvidia and their 8800GTX, AMD would of not gotten off their asses and rehired the ATI team.
If it weren't the 4850/4870, Nvidia's flagship would have been a solid $700US part. Go figure.
This is not 4 years ago peepz, Nvidia has to seriously go back to the development stage and make a product that's inexpensive, powerful, new and exciting like the 8800GTX was. This will take time, AMD/ATI have been down that road.
IF 2 flagship GPU's SLI'd needs a 1000watt PSU in order to run, there are some design flaws that need attention. NM the $1000 that is needed to buy them. :P
For the GT300 delayed till 2010, I say GOOD! Take a year off and get your S**T together Nvidia. I am waiting for something "inexpensive, powerful, new and exciting!"
Charlie is full of himself as usual. His fans are right in step, chanting death to NV. Nvidia has the biggest market share of cards, its not just because they good price/performance but they also have great drivers. Unlike ATI's drivers which suck. Blu-ray playback? High Resolution fps? How do I know this? I own a 4870X2 by far the biggest piece of crap I have ever owned. I use my laptop's 9800MGTX more than I do this piece of shit. The moment the GT300 is released I'm upgrading to it. Because that way I know it will be able to play at a high resolutions 1080, blu-ray playback, and the drivers are always updated. ATI is fail plain and simple. They release a new product and it uses the same shit drivers as the previous card. ATI's 3870X2 and the 4870X2 use the same damn drivers, the only difference is the hardware. Do your self a favor fanboy's, buy an nvidia card then critize it. Stop using some bias online benchmarking sites for basing your decisions on. In addition, If you call out Nvidia fanboys. We will post, we will prove you wrong.
According to the Steam Survey, the current market share of ATI (DX 10 GPU wise) is 22.01%, while this may look bleak you must look at the rest of the information.
DX 10 GPUs in include the Grforce 8 and 9 series which were very popular for good reason (can't argue with that)
Of all the these the 4800 sereies GPUs count for 9.46% while the all GTX series COMBINED equal to 4.04%
You can conclude from this information that the market share for ATI (for current gen only) is equal to around 70% ***Guesstimation***
If this news lead turns out to be true and if ATI's 40nm yields are very high, you can also conclude that NVIDIA will not be able to compete in the next generation (although when taking to account their loyal customer base gained from way back in Geforce 6 8 and 9 they can and will compete untill about the time that ATI has about a 20% performance lead)
DISCLAIMER
This information and conjecture is based on the Steam Survey, which does not include all PCs on the planet, I believe that I have been unbiased in this comment, but that probably does not stop flamers. T_T
Because I bet most of you will have forgotten this when NVIDIA releases the chip later this year. I also predict Charlie will write an article telling us how the performance sucks or how the chip fails under normal operations, in 2009!
Dave, I think if you look up the recent FCC first quarter filing you will find that the graphics division is one of the few parts of AMD that is making money.
"NV has told those who need to know that it will be Q1 2010 now"
charLIE, I bet you aren't among those who need to know, so stfu, lamer.
people might take your lies seriously...
I take that back, everybody knows your full of s**t
You have no idea what's going on. What's the source for the above rumor-mongering? Charlie's ass.
more than 138 million i can guarantee. Losses are not a good barometer at this time. nVidia does dominate market share, though.
gogo, check the balance and income sheets before you comment on what a company made or lost ;)
Charlie your track record hasn't been that good lately!
Nvidia's stock got down-graded today.
I was always curious how they were going to take a part that is literally 4x g92 and make it work with 40nm.
With a chip you've got to figure is around 3 billion transistors give or take, you're asking for problems with a 500+mm2 die on a new process...
Remember R600? Yeah, kind of like that.
Interesting to note, if they really do plan to release in Q110, they may as well go to Global Foundries with a 32nm design, as they are taking tapes beginning in Q4 of this year, and you can bet your balls AMD is going to with whatever follows Rv870.
Ironic? Just a little.
Didn't/wasn't ATI going to launch a 40nm mobile part? I remember reading something about it back when 4770 rumors were circulating.
Anyway, still haven't heard much about the 5k series, mostly just news about GT300 and its delays.
nVidia sells double than ATI:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2009/04/30/nvidia-increases-market-share/1
"According to the research, Nvidia GPUs now seriously dominate the discrete desktop graphics card market, with a total market share of 67 percent in the first quarter of 2009"
You missed that one, eh Charlie?
Charlie,
Fiscal year 2010 or the year 2010?
Thanks for the clarification...also, are you ever going to get around to retracting the statement "I've never heard of a bad unlocked core..."? I notice it's been a few weeks, and nothing, but there are clear comments which show otherwise.
Best,
TC
Where are all the Charlie bashers now??? i think the silence is deafening too.
Go Green... and pay the price of failure . (this works on oh-so-many levels)