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Obama miffs tech companies

You will pay for bankers' mistakes
Tue May 05 2009, 12:18

US PRESIDENT of the former UK colony of Virginia, Barack Obama has hit on a wizard wheeze to pay for the bail out of his chums in the banking industry.

When the bankers destroyed the US economy by sticking all their money on a dead cert, Obama spent billions of tax payers money to keep them in the style to which they had become accustomed. However now it has been revealed that he is hitting up the technology industry to foot the bill.

According to AP, Obama's tax plan which is being spun as "closing a loop hole" means that outfits that make money overseas will have to pay tax in the US.

The technology industry has been able to survive because of their overseas sales, most of which are taxed in the countries that they make them.

If Obama's proposal becomes law, the hard-hit companies such as HP, IBM, Cisco, Microsoft and Google will have to pay tax on foreign earnings at the Land of the Free's much higher tax rate. Maybe they would like to move to Britain where that one penny on tea which the US seemed to think was a pretext for armed terrorism seems nothing to what companies are expected to pay now.

It has been estimated that the plan will cost the bigger tech companies a combined $7.4 billion.

It is not clear if the technology industry which supported Obama in his White House bid will continue to love him much afterwards.

Obama thinks that US companies will create more jobs in the United States if there is less of an advantage to setting up operations overseas. The other thing they could do is shut down and move to another country which does not require them to pay for the cocaine-fuelled stuff ups in the finance industry, who seem to be the only ones to get anything out of the recession. µ

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Obama not the savior

Obama is a frontman for those evil banking institutions.

posted by : Me, 10 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Surely shome mishtake!

I can hardly believe that torture and tax-dodging are the issues that conservatives in the US are latching onto these days. WOW! Talk about rebranding.

posted by : Louisiana Redneck, 07 May 2009 Complain about this comment
@stopped clock

The Honda Accord (made in Marysville Ohio) in my garage disagrees with your assessment that manufacturing cars (non SUVs even!) in the United States is not competitive.

I'm guessing Mercedes Benz and Hyundai Sonatas made in Alabama would also disagree with you. How about Honda Civics made in Greensburg Indiana? BMWs in Spartanburg South Carolina? Even Kias made in West Point Georgia?

posted by : paratwa, 06 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Re: History

Yeah, but Virginia is where your Washingtown laundry capital is located.

posted by : F United Kingdom C of V, 06 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Re: Truth..

And the truth is we don’t pay taxes, the price of our wages goes up and our employers pay the tax.

And round and round it goes. Who is paying whom? Welcome to the world financial system...

posted by : Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 06 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Well....

I read somewhere (trying to find the source again) that over 12,000 American companies report the same physical building as a headquarters.. that's a really big building.

posted by : Dogg, 06 May 2009 Complain about this comment
More than your average looking Common Wealth

King Charles II gave Virginia the name and status of Old Dominion because of its loyalty to England during the English Civil War (1642–49), under the Union of the Crowns; and thereby royal assent for Virginia's autonomy, under the Union of the Crowns.
On 1 May 1707, under the Acts of Union 1707, England and Scotland were united as a single sovereign state, the Kingdom of Great Britain.
In many respects, the 13 Colonies predate the GB social contract.

Anne became its first sovereign, while continuing to hold the separate crown of Queen of Ireland and the title Queen of France. Anne reigned for twelve years until her death in August 1714. Anne was therefore the last Queen of England and the last Queen of Scotland.
Of the Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland:

George I (r.1714-1727) (Georg Ludwig = George Louis)
George II (r.1727-1760) (Georg August = George Augustus)
George III (r.1760-1820)

Of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland:

George III (r.1760-1820)

All sorts of legal objections were raised: all laws would have to be renewed and all treaties renegotiated.

Colonists had enough of bastardized imperial Parliaments' authority during the French and Indian War, and refused to pay for the dichotomy of "Britishness" whilest being abused by rake Hessians.

Annuit cœptis, KJV

posted by : Goldorn Daern, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
I hate to agree with Nick, but....

he's dead right on this one. Obama thinks this will bring more jobs back? Are you kidding me - it will cause firms to move away and the US will lose more jobs and revenue. Look at Global foundries - a spinoff of an American firm... it was incorporated in the CAMAN ISLANDS (one would think it would be incorporated in either the US or in Germany, no?)! Anyone wonder why the Camans? Did anyone ask? Did NY ask when they gave the Caman firm $1.2Bil?

The US has 2nd highest business tax rate of the industrialized world... perhaps this is why jobs are moving out of the US? Causing overseas profits to be taxed at US rates only makes US companies LESS COMPETITIVE with overseas firms (as the tax rates between competing firms would now be different). It is stunning how little is known about this president and his policies and how little coverage is given to the details of policies like this by the corrupt US media.

As an example the auto industry failure is blamed on having the wrong cars at the wrong time. Yet when oil was cheap and SUV's were popular, Detroit was in major decline - because the cost of producing in the US was not competitive; making lower margin cars is only going to make matters worse as labor and other cost discrepancies will only get magnified. I heard one pundit saying well if Japanese companies can be profitable making hybrids why can't the US? The idiot didn't know the hybrids are sold AT A LOSS, and that is recovered by selling higher margin SUV's and trucks (to places like the US). Now with the US gov't and UAW as majority owners of both Chryler/FIAT and GM there will be a "green" switch to cars that will be sold at a bigger loss (thanks to uncompetitive labor costs) and the 'green' switch will turn out the lights on the American auto industry once and for all (or the more likely scenario force it to be socialized)

posted by : stopped clock is right twice a day!, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
@10th A

I watch plenty of FNews and anyone who falls for the 'fair & balanced' crap need to check themselves into a mental hospital. FNews is loaded up with lies that are disproved daily. I'd recommend you watch more than just FNews so you can see how often (daily) their 'reports' are torn apart by people who don't just make thier shit up. As for the tea parties, the coverage I saw on FNews constantly showed people who either had no idea what they were protesting, or were protesting things that weren't even happening. Some of them actually had valid concerns, but they had those concerns for the last 8 years and protested then too, but your 'fair & balanced' news channel decided it wasn't worth covering & promoting those years :)

posted by : JW, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
I work in one state, live in another...

I live near a state boarder and work in my neighboring state. I pay state taxes in both, such that my total state tax is equal to whatever state taxes the most. I do NOT have to pay one state's taxes + another state's taxes. That would be crazy.

Here's the thing: when a tech company (like M$) makes a product (like software) in USA and sell in overseas, they incure the expense in the US and the profit elsewhere. By txing them elsewhere, you are making the overseas portion of their business less profitable, thus they are less likely to keep doing so.

Another FYI: When a politician promotes himself as savior of the poor, the best way to get re-elected is to have plenty of poor voters. ;)

posted by : mike, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
@anon

Time to pull your head out of the sand. The bill that ultimately repealed the Glass-Steagall Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999. The bills were passed by Republican majorities on party lines by a 54-44 vote in the Senate[12] and by a 343-86 vote in the House of Representatives[13]. After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90-8 (1 not voting) and in the House: 362-57 (15 not voting). ' The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.
If Clinton had vetoed the bill, it would have been overturned since the republicans had a majority.

posted by : David, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
top j-dog

Obama is an idealogue.

posted by : jdog, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
@ MarkusR

Well Mark you seem to get your information from where? MSN, CNN or some other political organi... er, I mean news organization? Yes sir, that was some fair and balanced coverage of the tea parties huh? Impressed by that were you? Be careful what you wish for...

If it wasn't for FOX journalism in the US country would be dead and buried. I suppose you believe the so-called press coverage of the election and the the Kenyan's administration is fair? It's a joke and if you're weren't sofa-king left-wing / socialist you'd see that.

posted by : 10th A, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
BigDave

Actually, corporations pay taxes on profits that they gain simply because market cannot provide sufficient competition to make the product a commodity. A company that sells lot of products but makes no profit pays zero taxes.

posted by : MarkusR, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Blame Canada

If this does happen all they have to do is move to the Great White North, we will welcome them with open arms and throw tax breaks at their companies, just like the $50 Billion dollar one our PM threw at Exxon.

posted by : Spaz, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Mistakes?

The bankers did make mistakes - they followed explicit policies and practices.

A mistake would be "Oops, where did all the assets go!?"

This was more like "Oops we got caught out!"

posted by : hoohoo, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
tax em extra heavy

I'm all for taxing the foreigners especially if it means lowering my own tax.

The banks though,, that worthless bailout money was used to buy up many of those foreign banks. This means your little foreign banks is now US owned! Yes, we now own your economy.. The Euro is now based on the worthless paper the states print.

The next step is to nuke china to get out from under the debt owed them that we used to finance all our diabolical deeds.

posted by : mogwai, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Truth..

Truth is Companies dont pay taxes, the price of the product just go's up and You / We pay the tax.

Are we learning yet? didnt think so..

All of your monies are belong to us.

Bwa ha ha, bw ha ha ha (evil american laugh).

posted by : BigDave, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Epidimy of Stupidity

And you wonder why we had tea parties on tax day...

We realize that proportionally we pay far more on taxes than what the brits stuck on us. The reason why we split was not the tax but the tax without benifits... and you fired first :P "armed terrorist" my @$$....

anyhow Obama has never run anything before and he is showing it... he cant run a city or a state much less a entire Nation... he is trying micromanage a nation... and it just can't be done.

through this stupidity he will cost more Americans their jobs... you raise taxes... businesses go oversees.

The people hoping for change are getting it... too bad its not what we need.

posted by : Faithful disident, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Anon

Anon complains that Americans are stupid, and seems to get his talking points from Hannity. I guess he is proving his own point via himself.

posted by : MarkusR, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
While we're at it

While we're it, how about banning imports of products that are produced under conditions prohibited in the US for environmental and health reasons.
That would bring a lot of jobs home, maybe one for me even ;)

posted by : Vinster, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Yup Bush did it all

It doesnt matter that the banking policies that led to this melt down came from Clinton. Nope. It is all Bush's fault. It doesnt matter that the majority of Americans dont know a damn thing. Thats Bush's fault too. We americans cant be bothered with stuff like knowledge, thats also Bush's fault.
And Obama is paving the way to the future, by spending us into poverty. I wonder why Germany and France both agreed that our fiscal policies are detrimental. That must be Bush's fault too. My life is so much easier to live now that i can blame everything on Bush. Now i know how californians are so happy drowning in their own debt and looking for that bailout, It was all Bush.

posted by : anon, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Obama is just undoing what Bush did.

Fixing one more of Bush's blunders.

posted by : Unemployed because of Bush, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Can we rejoin U.K.?

Ummm... listen, about that armed resurrection.... we sorry 'bout dat, can we come home? It not easy runnin' a country, just look at how much our political parties have screwed up.

We promise be nice to Queen. Maybe even to jug-eared son, chuckie, but dat be harder to promise.

posted by : Rich Wargo, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
History

Obama's the president of all 13 of the former UK colonies in the New World.

Kargis

posted by : Kargis Strong, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Ah.

But did you know a trillion had already been spent on the banks before Obama was even sworn in?
If the tax loop-hole is so important for business, why don't they lobby for tax exemption that is not a loop-hole? There are quite a few non-great-as-sliced-cheese companies out there that use world's tax havens for their own benefit.

posted by : MarkusR, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
Obama is making it fair, even if it is not easily done

Today Global Corps have most of there expenses in the US (i.e. 80%) if they are US based but recognize only say 50% of their revenue in the US, therefore the profit (revenue less expense) is out of proportion in the US and heavily favors the rest of the world these companies operate in. But for taxes these corporations show all that US expense but only the US revenue.

Where is the issue with that?

posted by : Jim Kiler, 05 May 2009 Complain about this comment
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