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AMD says 4890 outselling GTX 275 by 30 to 1 at launch
DESPITE NVIDIAN SPINNERS going into overdrive to convince the world that the GTX275 was real and available at launch, the confusion of the whole 'is it or isn't it a paper launch?' seems to have taken its toll, with sales stats to make the Goblin greener and sick to the stomach.
Rubbing its hands together with glee, AMD reports that initial sales for its Radeon HD 4890 – which was released and widely available on April 2nd – are outstripping the GTX275 at a rate of 30 to 1.
AMD – which, like Nvidia, sells GPUs to partners rather than flogging complete graphic boards – claims this particular piece of SpInfo comes from two of the largest resellers in Europe.
Although our INQuiring minds may be inclined to take AMD's claims with a large pinch of salt, it's also worth bearing in mind that good launches tend to put a few thousand cards in the channel, whilst mostly-paper launches barely manage two dozen.
So if Nvidia would just fess up to the fact that it's launch was mainly just for show, it would go a long way towards explaining the large discrepency in numbers being touted by its rivals. But we hardly expect the Green Team to do that anytime soon, do we?
When the INQ asked Nvidia's Italian stallion Luciano Alibrandi for a comment, we were told "definitely this is not the data we have".
What data Alibrandi does have, however, he is obviously not ready to share with us st'INQers, despite his protest of 'If AMD shows you theirs, I'll show you mine'.
What a tempting offer. µ
An Nvidian spinner pulls some sales figures out of his crevis
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It seems that's true what Sylvie states here, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106792634%201067947241&name=GeForce%20GTX%20275 There's only 5 GTX 275 SKU's in which there's none in stock, while there's 11 HD 4890 in stock in which all are available and can be buy in large quantities http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106792627%201067947106&name=Radeon%20HD%204890 So nVidia did launch the GTX 275, but in dozens compared with the thousands that ATi did.
..it's crevasse, Charlie ;) Still, a nice graphic depiction!
it's Sylvie, not Charlie - should have checked...
4890 is amd's top product and amd should compare it to the sales of gtx295, which at least geizhals says is better available in europe.
otherwise amd could have taken a Tseng ET4000 card for comparison.
BTW I am still waiting for AVIVO video converter for my aged-old HD2400
Lol.... at the photograph.
What data Alibrandi does have, however, he is obviously not ready to share with us st'INQers, despite his protest of 'If AMD shows you theirs, I'll show you mine'.
with the matching photo, you hit it exactly right between nvidia's balls.
"4890 is amd's top product and amd should compare it to the sales of gtx295" :-O
Are you insane????
Have you ever heard of 4850x2 and 4870x2 ?
No, the GTX 275 is comparably priced to the 4890 and the GTX 285 is ~75($USD) more expensive than the 4890. It's a fair comparison.
We can't really blame AMD for a little spinning here, after all what nVidia did?
Plus, AMD is just interpreting the numbers as if nVidia has done a real lauch, something that they haven't.
Seems to me like these numbers are 100% completely accurate and non exaggerated or is AMD now supposed to take nVidia's spindoctoring into account? ;)
Also, is it still nVidia? or is it NVIDIA now? Their website is inconclusive ;)
for the price of a GTX285 you grab a very soon to be ready waterblock and ramp up the 4890 to 1ghz.
Not to mention the 4890x2 will be ready soon. put a waterblock on that and ramp to 1ghz.
I stopped buying Nvidia when I had to return 3 cards in a row.
on the day of launch there were GTX 275 available in Prgaue and no 4890 in stock (no they didn't sell out withing seconds)
The only problem is there are still GTX280 in stock here and only £15 more than the GTX275... + you get a free copy of F.E.A.R 2... and yes there's still some in stock, 5 actually.. :-)
I'm mostly an nVidian the past three years, after I had to return three *ATI* cards! So I bought a 4870 last October, time to give ATI another chance. But none of my PCs would even POST with ATI. LOL, back to nVidia.
Heh, luck of the draw.
Uh? What on earth are you going on about 'the 4890 is AMD's top part'? The 4870 X2 is the main competition to the GTX295, as the highest end dual chip card from both companies. The 4890 is a lower end part.
It's Nvidia.
Cheers.
Silvie, it is not necessary to achieve an university degree in statistic to understand that is easy to sell more against a product that is not available.
I am not a Nvidia supporter and sometimes love when Charlie bashes Nvidia but, please, do not drink any PR statement like fresh water.
...for the GTX295. Different league.
It's totally a paper launch, with a few token cards thrown out to "prove" it isn't. They should have waited, worked on drivers and pumped out cards for a full launch.
GTX 295 is slighly faster overall until you use 8xFSAA which tanks the card in high resolutions while the HD4870X2 remains smooth, so I rather choose to have slighly less performance for less money and have an 8X FSAA usability than not being able to use it, hey it's an high end card, why I can't use it?
AMD say 4890 outselling its main rival by 30 to 1 at launch.
I seriously couldn't care less about that. Overall performance over usesless numbers and here nVidia have an edge over 4890.
Stop this nonsense reporting Charlie #2, I mean Sylvie.
Report something more interesting that everyone can check for themselves. nVidia GTX 275 wins in most comparison against ATI Radeon 4890.
/happy owner of both fanATic 4870 and now nVidiot GTX 275.
Great price/performance ratio rules
Are you bullshitting us with your statement?
GeForce GTX 295 being inferior to ATi Radeon 4870x2.
You should provide us some links to read about that.
"I bought a 4870 last October, time to give ATI another chance. But none of my PCs would even POST with ATI."
Dude, if you can't get a new video card to work on 3 different pc's, don't blame ATI....... it's either operator error or you 3 pc's are shit!
I have been buying PC parts for years, scores of graphics cards, and NEVER was unable to get it to work!
maybe your should stick to letting Dell install your video card! LOL
GTX285 and GTX295 are outselling HD4870 and HD4870X2. Perhaps they should ask themselves why Newegg (Open Box sale is full of returned 4000series ATI card).
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwOCwxMSwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU5OSw0LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
Check both reviews and the other pages of them, the GTX 295 isn't that far ahead of the X2, both are almost matched in most scenarios, HardOCP is known for being nVidia biased. So stop being a stupid ass about nVidia and see the truth, thanks to ATi, nVidia had to lowered prices so dumbasses like you can get their products cheaper, if you like to pay $600.00 for a GTX 280, go ahead, but competition is always good and ATi now has the ball in the park.
Simon, it's crevice, not crevasse.
A crevasse refers to fractures in ice.
If you're going to correct somebody, make sure you know what you're talking about.
@kalkzone: the Tseng ET4000 has outsould any card in existence. The state-of-the-art stellar ISA performace can be overclocked with margins that can be regarded as an overclockers wet dream. 50%+ at the first non-air cooled session.
Its cross-platform compatibility is renowned; running on both PC, ST and Amiga platforms.
Buy it, now, stocked in large quantities somewhere at your local geek pile-o-stuff.
This is not a paper launch !
Only baboons like you are referring to one source when I can refer to many sources.
IQ mode is GeForce GTX 295's culprit you say?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-295,2107.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/1
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3498&p=1
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1461&pageID=6137
I could go on and on but I think you have made yourself clear, you are a complete moron and you may also buy cards inferior to other cards if brand is what concerns you.
I pity you for your stupidity!
You are probably on the same crack as Charlie and Sylvie are on.
Arent they getting tired of these obsessively competitive antics?
Oh wait no, stupid question, its nVidia.
What do they have to answer RV870 if they cant even bring this to market? Then there is the slowly gathering rep for part failure not helped by the mobile underfill choices as reported by Charlie, talk about a hap'orth o'tar, but also returns figures for all cards recently published looked a little telling for nV.
Then there is GPGPU. I wonder what the boffin to gamer ratio is?
LOL only stupid noobies like use read Tom's Hardware and Bjorn 3D, old reviews with old drivers, don't make me laugh, I understand that chimps like you don't know how to do a research and look for a more recent reviews with recent drivers which boost ATi's card performance and even nVidia's performance, don't make me laugh.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/HD_4890_CrossFire/3.html
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=317&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=6
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=315&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=5
If you like to pay 50% more for an nVidia card which is 10% faster go ahead, but smart guys like us we like to stretch the e-penis further, I may be on crack like you said, but at least I'm smarter than you to make you mad because I'm trashing your favorite brand with truth and showing the others here that you Sir, are a troll. LOL
Al, she's well aware that the Nvidia 275 is not truly available. That is, in fact, the point of her article.
Nvidia claimed it was a true launch.
But it was a dishonest PR move to steal the thunder from ATI's new card.
I hope this clarification has been helpful.
The title says it
bias
... there aren't any 275's here in stock either.
A paper launch it indeed seems to be.
Inquirer is indeed biased ... looking out for peons like you Michael.