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Monday, 6 April 2009, 12:26

FROM TODAY, ISPs have to keep records of what you get up to online for a minimum of 12 months.

This is because the Government thinks you might be a criminal or terrorist. Criminals and terrorists are increasingly just people who simply disagree with the Government.

The move is contained in an EC directive that extends data retention obligations  beyond telcos to ISPs.

The content of emails and VoIP calls doesn't have to be stored. Just the time and date of any communications you may have with anyone at all.

ISPs will have to hand over details of your electronic communications to virtually any semi-official busybody who asks for them. µ

 

 

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Anonymous (yeah right)

What about international internet traffic - if I in Sweden visit a server in the UK, wil the goverment log it?

posted by : Anonymous (yeah right), 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Security ?

Hey, surely you'd be willing to give up even a little MORE of your privacy and individual rights and freedoms for a little more security, no ?

They're using incrementalism so you won't notice you're already boiled, like the frog.

posted by : Anonymous II, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
What about webmail?

Does this include webmail, or is that the world's easiest workaround?

posted by : Malcolm, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Includes websites IIRC

I believe it includes logging all the websites you visit as well, which would be enough to see that you had a webmail account if nothing else.

posted by : Phil Armstrong, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Private VPN

Well this has made my mind up now, I'll be signing up for Pirate Bay's new private VPN network, they won't be able to track what I am looking at. But if they see that I have logged onto this does this itself make me a a suspect in their eyes?
They will say if you have nothing to hide etc, well I do have stuff to hide, like my personal life, nothing illegal about that

posted by : Captain_Planet, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
More semi-legal stuff from Ministers...

Yet again our government ministers demonstrate that they don't give a monkeys about the law. Time that their immunity was taken away...

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/MinistImmunity/

posted by : Mike, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
meh

Commenting a comment by some X person:

What will be logged:
1.Sender and recipiant IP address
2.Sender and recipiant PORT
3.Time and date of the connection made

The only workaround IS.

Get some shell account in Africa, do your dirty buissness (pirating) there. Use SSH to log into that remote shell and copy the stuff you need from it.

my 50 cent.

posted by : it_matters_not, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
@Anonymous II

The frog story is apocryphal: frogs are smart enough to jump out before they they lose the will and ability to save themselves.

We now that know Americans do not share the innate intelligence of frogs. And it's not looking at all encouraging for the Brits.

posted by : Tam Lin, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Self-referential

"Criminals and terrorists are increasingly just people who simply disagree with the Government".

Ooh, better watch out - sounds as if you might be a criminal or terrorist.

Thank goodness the government never gets anything wrong, so we don't have to disagree with it.

Go, New labour, go! (just go, for pity's sake).

posted by : Tom Welsh, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
We are in the same ship here in the USA

With our new regime and it's messiah dictator Oboma Hussein I see guys in black ski masks storming houses for the crime of dissent against him within a few years, probably after he declares the US Constitution void. You will then be sent to education labor camps until they decide you have been brainwashed into their way of thinking, long live Carl Marx. Scary crap man.

posted by : Regulas, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Just another way

Your internet communication is just a little piece in a big puzzle.
You already monitored by credit cards, bank accounts and most important cellular.
The now what you eating, what you drinking where you prefer to fuck and what is your usual route to anywhere.
So just relax, it would hurt less. Anyway you can't do anything about it.

posted by : nonsense, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
No rights,No security!

Only a fool thinks that these counter- terrorist(BIG LIE) measures will deter
terrorist,or criminals.
They will simply-if they have any sense-use any none-electronic means of communicating,maybe pigeon mail,lol.

Seriously,we are witnessing the creation of a NEW STASI state in europe, by stealth,thanks to our gay(bend over backwards) politicians,who are happy,both to,erode our rights & liberties,(for which the second world war was fought against)& to please the neo-cons in America.

posted by : Anon,Anon, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Its already too late...

What they want is population control.
They already check every phone call and email, its just that they can't do it real-time, and need someone to store it long enough for them to sift through it...

Control of the Information is all thats needed.
Do you REALLY think you get all your days news off the telly?
You get what the Govt WANTS you to hear.

The Internet being too FREE, it needs to close down all those freedom loving dissenters, and publicly humiliate and degrade them.

posted by : ed6, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Nothing new here.

@Regulas

This started with the Bush Administration so before you go running your mouth off, I'd look at what laws the former Administration broke in the first place. If there was a dictator for a US president, Bush would surely be it.

posted by : Bob, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Watch out for step 2

Step 2 will be to make this available to the government without the step of a warrant.

This will happen during a crisis.

You accepted this change, and you will accept the next one.

posted by : anon, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Seems pointless

Surely the "bad guys" will already be using offshore proxies... non-standard ports... encryption... VPN and so on.
This will do nothing more than lure people into a false sense of security. Perhaps that's the intention ?

posted by : Steve B, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Go green or red

Here in Norway you can just vote for the Green Party or the Red party. They are very pro on free internet communications. You're still in a democracy so you can vote your way out of it - if everyone wants it.

posted by : Thor, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
@Bob

[sarcasm]
But he's a Democrat, so he's either the source of the problem or the solution to the old problem of Bush.
[/sarcasm]

Divide and conquer, man, it works in so many ways there's almost no reason to come up with new strategies.

posted by : Jason Goatcher, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
oy-I've Had ENUFF!

I'm off to go live in a warm and cozy beach bungalow in Antarctica!

posted by : Sesame, 06 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Brain washed

"You will then be sent to education labor camps until they decide you have been brainwashed into their way of thinking, long live Carl Marx. Scary crap man."
It's already happening. It starts off when you enter school. Later, hopefully, when the government feeds misinformation through radio, print, and now the net, you will be able to read between the lines. Most Americans can't seem to tell the difference between fact and fiction.
That's the reason Americans don't understand why the rest of the world doesn't bow down and treat them as Liberators.

posted by : Uncle, 07 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Hmmm..

Well given that HM Govt's network has recently been owned by a botnet worm, I assume that... "Sorry, I don't know anything about emails to that address, my computer must have been owned by a botnet" ...will be a valid excuse?

posted by : Steve, 07 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Don't Panic

I give it about a month before some technical wizard comes-up with a simple enough workaround for this. Viva the people! They can squeeze us as much as they like but the Anglo Saxons have a long history of shrugging off totalitarianism before the final squeeze - we're just a bit slow to get started. Have faith.

posted by : Wolfie, 07 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Land of confusion

A- 1 X Earth with an absolute resources cap already reached long ago.

B- Currently 7+ billions people, looking at well over 9 billion by 2050. If all 7 billion would consume as much as the typical European, we would need 3 more Earth to just barely cover the demand...

Something has to give... very soon. The vast majority of the 7 billion is left out in severe poverty, insalubrities, war, and no justice or civil rights. The consequences of adding other 2 billion (a 30% increase!) to this already potent mix would be... unmanageable.

The nature of ‘’capitalist free market’’ demanding 10% or more profit out of the system each years has reached its absolute planetary peak. There is just no more room to squeeze more juice out of the planet. You just can’t get 10 more % out of a saturated system.

For the very large corporations and conglomerates that runs the show and practically already own this planet, the subtlety of influencing government with hordes of lobbyists, promoting wars, law changes, economic and political control in weaker countries and all other leverage they have to make their agenda going forward (Including marketing and public relation) is now near obsolescence. They, the top, very few and most powerful person on this Earth, won’t stay there, doing nothing, while the whole planet is clearly and helplessly going to be out of control in the next couple of decades.

One thing is for sure: The Holy Grail is the whole planet and there is no way back. The objective must then be to control it all; there is just no other logical alternative to them.

So, what’s next? Bring back eugenic to lower to global population to less than a billion would seem like an ‘’appropriate’’ strategy, if not the only one. It took 2 airplanes bringing down 2 icons of the USA to stigmatize the population enough for the political establishment to feel confident enough to make a significant first move on the constitution and many laws, without much or no citizen resistance. We are dangerously, slowly, but surely, slipping into a police state. They can already tap your phone and arrest you without a judge approval if they just ‘’suspect’’ you being a terrorist. Just try to imagine what kind of insane ‘’catastrophe’’ it would take to enforce such a global population reduction. Genetically targeted engineered virus unleashed worldwide? That’s well within current technology reach, if you have the money and the resources...

Over the last 10-15 years, we saw the same trend happening and steadily increasing in the US, UK, Australia and many other countries: Obscene profusion of cameras all over the place, credit and ATM card traces, IP control, electronic passport and driver licences, genetic profiling, neural-net artificial intelligence recognition system (recently switched online and operational in the UK), databases about everything you do, fundamental and critical changes in the laws and constitutions, more and more military presence in public area like airports and even sport events, not shy at all to advertise their full war gear, including automatic weapons. Something is clearly going on; you would need to be in total denial to refute this.

They are moving and increasing the pace. The only question remaining: What will WE do about it?

Ramon

posted by : Ramon Zarat, 07 April 2009 Complain about this comment
Not Enough Information

Heya Guys,

Not to question your skills as a journalist but you haven't mentioned what Country has enacted this.

Surely there hasn't been some global initiative that we aren't aware of :)

Can you clarify this please? Is it the EU/US/APAC?.. Or the UK of course

posted by : Simon, 07 April 2009 Complain about this comment
@ Phil A.

It doesn't actually. Web sites visited are not part of the EU "Data Retention Directive".

The idea that they are has been perpetuated by (mainly) the Beeb in a sequence of misreports.

Whether they'll be part of Wacqui's uberdatabase, of course, is another question entirely.

posted by : Norman, 07 April 2009 Complain about this comment
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