ATI 4890 is not a new ASIC

Yes... let us please set the record straight. The record is that none of you have a clue whether the 4890 is a respin, an overclock or a new chip, and hence your "blog" is trying to cash in on sensationalism. Just like no one knows whether the GTX275 is real or what its specs are.

Stop trying to be confident in spreading rumors of your own. You guys don't know squat.

Not being obsessed with getting the latest and greatest graphics cards I may be missing the point but what is stopping anyone who has a 4870 just overclocking the nuts off an existing card rather than going out and buying a 4890?

I mean it worked with the old Thunderbird Athlon, 1GHz chip overclocked to 1.428Ghz :-)

As I say, I could be missing something here as I don't really follow graphics hardware that much, can't really afford to.

Oh, and cue a load of rabbid Nvidian's with anti-Charlie rants.

(I'm not biased, my desktop has an NVidia card, my laptop has Intel graphics and my other half's PC has an ATI video card, I tend to do my gaming on the Wii).

Rob

So,
nVidia is really really bad when renames same chip with higher clock.
But Ati is NOT?!?!!
You make me laugh

man, come on... give us a break with this reporting.

I think nvidia's numbering scheme is a bit more misleading.. if ati did exactly what nvidia has been doing this would be an ATI 5000 and it wouldn't have a higher clock speed just a different board layout.

The fan bois commenting on here obviously don't get it. The reason Nvidia is "bad" for their rebranding scheme, is because they rebrand old cards as NEXT GENERATION cards. they have taken 8800 series and renamed them 9800 series, then up to GTX200 series, leading the general public to think that those three series are in fact three different generations of technology. At least ATI is letting you know, this is still the 4800 series, but slightly faster than a 4870. I don't understand what is so hard to get about this. Looks like the Nvidia fan bois are just looking for a way to vent about being suckered into a new card every year that is just really a previous gen card up-clocked. Up-clocked out of spec with the assiciated failure rates, I might add. At least ATI has the foresight to upgrade the packaging and power requirements to meet the additional speed.

If this is indeed a faster RV770 branded 4890, then it's just a new card in the 48xx family. Hardly comparable to NV's re-re-branding of the 8800.

The 8800 GTS card was called 9800+ and, after that, 250. That's renaming. A non informed customer would think the 8800 GTS is 2 generations older (and worse) than the 250.

With ATI we have the 4850. The 4870 is a bit faster. And the 4890 is a bit faster again. You don't need to be too informed to know they are all similar, but some of them are more powerful.

I don't understand what are you saying (apart from some "hating" CD message, of course)

http://www.fudzilla.com/forum/index.php?topic=507.0

I noted this at your buddy faud's site as well. The part is not new, a overclock and cheaper prices are however a reality.

If it brings the prices down, then I like that.

I wonder if this card at its rumored spec will be able to compete with a GTX 280/285.

Moreover will there be a X2 derivative which will bring the performance crown back to AMD/ATI?

They are not simply renaming a chip, there following there naming scheme and just adding a higher clocked chip and selling it as the same family (48X0). Nvidia flat out renames older generations as new.

Who punched the repeat button?

If the name '9800' implies it's better than an '8800' because the number is higher, then wouldn't a '200' series imply it's not as good as either a '8800' or a '9800' series? It seems that Nvidia is doing the opposite of what you are accusing them of.

My 4870 has been flashed to 1.3V, and I can get no more than 850MHz out of it.
A new more powerful power supply and a chip respin will absolutely be needed to get 20% more speed stable.

Rock on, its not just a rename.

...Exactly why are we talking about the 4890 when ATI came out with a 9800 years ago!...

I think you got the wrong room, the ball pit is down and to the left.

@Mike

Nvidia changed their entire naming scheme to a lower number so your point is moot. If nvidia never said the 280 or 260 was faster than a 9800 then you might have a point, but otherwise you're just a fan boy wasting bandwidth.

Simple joys of life.
Whenever I see a subpar/speculative/sensational article.... I use Ad Block Plus extention in Firefox and block the ads on that page.
Tell that to your advertisers Charlie or better IMPROVE your site's editorial quality.

Eh? ATI make new card (sort of) that will be faster (groovy) but also consume more power. Brilliant, go ATI! To counter NV chaps, this isnt renaming, it's more like brand owner overclocking but more hardware based, as opposed to AIB partners overclocking the same board. To the ATI chaps, you can now have an even more power hungry card. Now if ATI made a single card as good as the GTX 280 or 285 that consumed less power - that'd be an improvement. And i'd buy it, unless the GTX275 is better? So confused. Think i'll buy a ZX Spectrum.

Hi salesman,

Does AMD pay you well?

Have you found another sugar daddy just in case AMD goes to bankrupt?

Ahhh Charlie, you've done it again, you've dragged the snarling nvidia fanbois from their cave of ignorance. Jolly good show.

Thanks for another good article charlie!

lets take a 4870
4000 the generation of the card
0800 the GPU
0070 how high the gpu is running

simple.... no Nvidia bs here...

numbnuts....

There is nothing renaming,rebranding or anything going on here as nvidia has. It's a very logical numbering scheme as is. And nobody yet except ATI guys know is it new ASIC or not so we wait and see.

but playing with your Wii DOES make you an ATI fanboy!

:P

jk; your points were totally spot on!

I do find fanboi's amusing. For the record, I own both current generation Nvidia and ATI cards in different PC's, so I'm not here to flame either NVidia or ATI. Just grin and smile at the fanboi's. Anyway, as anyone can point out, this isn't renumbering. Renumbering would be taking the 3870 and calling it the 4850 or some such, instead of making a real 48xx series card. They haven't done that here. Nvidia has. As an aside, I have a suggestion for the fanboi's. It's a hunk of electronics. It's not your wife, your girlfriend, your sister or your mother. It's not even your favorite pet dog. It's a piece of electronics, you're not married to it. If Nvidia comes out with the next best awe inspiring card, great. If I am in the market for a video card then, it's what I'll get. If ATI does that instead, I'll get an ATI. Same with CPU's, I did AMD CPU's until Core2Duo came out, then decided Intel was the way to go FOR NOW. IF AMD can pull out of their slump and make the "next big thing", if I'm looking at a new CPU then, it will be an AMD. If not, then I'll go with Intel. I shop for what I think is the best for my wants and needs, not based on which one excites me in unmentionable ways. Maybe the fanboi's should do that too.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12439&Itemid=78
Seems much more logical then what you have posted?

Don’t waste your breath giving Nvidia Fanboys any more oxygen.

According to fudzilla, rv790 is a new chip, especially since it doesn't have the same pin layout as rv770 and definitely that requires a new board not the increased power!

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12532&Itemid=1

so when castrAti renamed r9xxx to x1xxx that was all just fine.

Umm, no. I had an ATI 9800 and later upgraded to an x1900. The difference was huge (including but not limited to Shader Model support). The GPU's were not the same and neither was the board layout or the amount and type of video memory. Get your facts straight.

ATI got slammed with the GTX280 and GXT285, and they panciked like little girls, and now they're going to spew out another REBADGED piece of red crashing crap to try to "take the golden crown", just like two year olds.
No new technology, no new NOTHIN.
Spanked at the race line, the wretching, bleeding capital billion dollar two time losers are coughing up a rebrand. Tsk, tsk, ati fanbois.
SHAME on you and your red company, you've become that which you whined like sissies over concerning NVIDIA.
LOL
PATHETIC !

Lol at dude above me, did you not read all of the comments you fool?
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12532&Itemid=1
Oh ya btw, you type like an idiot,
maybe next time you could write some content that doesn't make you look like a complete illiterate spastic =D