Intel is just running scared says Nvidia
NVIDIA has hit back at Intel's legal attempt to scrap its chipset licence, claiming it is all about trying to protect Chipzilla's flagging CPU sales.
Intel claims that the four-year-old chipset licence agreement the pair signed does not cover CPUs with integrated memory controllers, such as Nehalem. It has taken Nvidia to court to settle the matter.
Nvidia head honcho, and former ping-pong champion, Jen-Hsun Huang, was confident that the licence applies to the likes of Nehalem.
He said the case is nothing to do with the licences but was all about Intel being terrified that Nvidia was going to nick Intel's business.
Huang said that Intel's CPU days had run their course and the "soul of the PC" is shifting to the GPU.
Quite what makes up the soul of a computer is probably about the same as guessing how many angels can fit onto a silicon chip, however it is Huang's theory and probably gets great comfort from it.
Huang thinks that since Nvidia is getting so popular Intel needs to initiate a dispute over a contract signed four years ago because Ion, SLI, Hybrid power, and CUDA threaten Intel's ability to control the PC platform.
"They're attempting to prevent us from operating," an NV spinner told the INQ. "They want the entire platform, they don't want anyone else to innovate."
Nvidia's chipsets for Intel's current CPU bus interface are not affected by the dispute. µ
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i doubt intel would have made such a move if sli wasnt working with x58
Its funny how Nvidia doesnt seem to understand that there chipset are utter crap every Core2 Intel chipset is far far better than anything Nvidia could ever design.
Nvidia Broadcasting Corp newsflash: Intel is running scared and day will no longer follow night.
In other news: pigs seen flying, and hell has frozen over...
Intel has always been concerned and paranoid about Nvidi but not scared. In the article Nvidia is ever actually qouted as saying this so a bit of an extrapolation. Anyway Intel would never have allowed Nvidia access to their new arch in 2004 because they have always been concerned. Just Jebn-Hsu wishful thinking. Sorry this one is DOA.
Intel has all of the suckers coming out. nVidia even gave them SLI for X58. I'd take it back until I got Nehalem licenses.
At one point do people in a free market ever ask how news sources are constantly reporting about companies "not wanting to piss of Intel" before realizing they are hurting customers, competitors and partners?
'He said the case is nothing to do with the licences but was all about Intel being terrified that Nvidia was going to nick Intel's business.'
Funny, perhaps he says it has nothing to do with licenses, because he knows the actual facts are not on his side. He is trying to make an emotional argument as opposed to a legal one. Is the case before or after he is done tilting at the windmills?
I doubt that Intel is scared of Nvidia or anyone else. But if they are concerned then Nvidia should be very scared, because based on Intel's history they perform best when they are concerned (or getting paranoid). I would not bet that Nvidia will be around as an independent company 5 years from now.
Well I don't know the details of the contract, but...
If nVidia can produce a chipset that comes with a memory controller, how can they not produce a chipset without a memory controller?
It's something less that before, not more.
The fact that Intel moved the memory controller inside the cpu is an Intel's decision, not nVidia's.
Ir's not like Nvidia won't be able to make it's video cards anymore. The problem is that they lost their bargain power since Nvidia won't be making chipsets to AMD no more, so Intel is their only possibly partner. So it's as simple as this, or you give me SLI license to put them in our chipsets or there will be no SLI at all and you will loose the enthusiast market to AMD, period. Nvidia is cornered... They still have the ION thingy, but only until memory controler included, quickpath versions of the atom come by, then they are screwed here to.
The only real possibility for Nvidia to grow is their mobile chipset, for celphones. As not X86 bound, it also looks great, I'm looking forward this.
It sounds just like a little dog barking at a giant (Nvidia yelping at Chimpzilla Intel).
Nvidia's only hope is to buy out Via so that it can acquire x86 chipmaking tech, or be bought out by IBM, so that IBM can finally start making gfx chips for the mainstream.
Intel.. what does Intel have to worry about?!? After putting billions of research $$ into the Larrabee project, Intel is just riding along the wave of its Core i7 success.
To all NV fanbois idiots out there.
I TOLD YOU SO.... That's what's happens
when you bit the hands that feeds you.
When you waken the dragon, you'll pay
the price.
I've told you, it only take intel just
to deny the new bus license for idiot
NV to stop making chips for intel.
Now who's CPU, Jen want to supply his
chipset (again idiot, I'm talking about
chipset, NOT the GPU)? VIA? ARM? Huh!
Good luck with that!!!
Oh, while right now the NV could still
could make chipset for A(GTTL), GTTL+/+
CPU. Just for how long intel would make
this CPU? It took intel just to stop
making them and move on to a new CPU
with the new bus to leave NV out in
cold.
NV could try in court battle, but look
at VIA after years of litigation. Did
they won in the end? Did they STILL
making chipset for the core2 CPU?
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Also suggesting Intel afraid of NV as
Jen said, look at yahoo finance and key
in NV & INTC.
Are you telling me a 74+B$ company is
afraid of 4.3B$ company??? Give me a-
break!!! That's how you behave if you
hook on crack & cocaine!
Intel spend MORE than NV market cap
EACH year On R&D and Manufacturing
Improvement!!! Suggesting Intel afraid
of NV is only showing how much IDIOT
you really are.
Also, did NV HAS a Semi FAB on it's
own??? Oh I forgot, NV DON'T HAVE THE
MONEY TO HAVE IT!!! Still thinking INTC
afraid of NVDA?
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Suggesting CPU is obsolete and the fo-
cus now is on GPU, well look at the TOP
500 Supercomputing lists and tell me,
how many use NV as Processor Elements?
Explain why most IBM profits come from
selling their mainframe/minis series?
Somebody should check Jen's urine
sample for banned substance.
You NV fanbois says Larabee would not
succeed. Well if you're a game deve-
loper, which one you choose:
1. Learning mnemonics for CPU and learn
another mnemonics GPU.
2. Learn mnemonics for CPU and learn
it's extension for the GPU. But
basic processing element is the same
(in this case it's X86 derived).
How come you idiots don't know what's
coming to your beloved comp? It's a-
matter of time before larabee is fine
tuned by intel to rival your gpu.
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Doing screaming and kicking to the hands
that feeds you is not a smart move, es-
pecially if you the one who's the under-
dog.
It's NV own fault that put them in this
situation anyway. And anyway I think,
there are no solution for them to came
out from this mess.
If I an NV shareholder, I would asked
a meeting to remove Jen from his posi-
tion before NV shank even further into
loss (to those NV fanbois idiot, your
NV EPS is -6 cents compare to INTC +92
cents). And perhaps redo the negotiation
with intel for their new nehalem bus
license. Hopefully they accept Jen's
replacement to be dealt with.
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NV_Fan_Hater
I wonder if Intel's strategy is to kill off NVidia to give AMD somewhere to go. If they kill off AMD, there are big anti-trust implications, but if they just encourage AMD to morph into ATI (and give up any attempt at making more than bottom feeder CPUs) it's a win-win for Intel.
Intel needs to present AMD with a corner to flee to, and killing off NVidia might do it.
Gentlemen, I don't care who you are rooting for-Monopolies are no good for the country
Thus-AT&T
Intel
Microsoft-Really do need to be split up for the good of the country.
Engineering Shifts quickly, Especially With Software. Nvidia Isn't Down & Out Yet, 7 Bringing In 'd sheath, Thats nvidias' HOPE. 7 Could Be Step towards Faster processing that Nvidia Thrieves Upon. Don't Honk Until You See Whites Of dr.eyes.
Vista Was More than AnyOne Except ATI could figure, then in fireGLv3100 & 6200 Cards to start, ONLY. So Its NOT Nearly Over, 7 IS NEW Bred of DAT & Much Friendlier than Ultee' of years back. Go Nvidia Go. Drashek
. . . the above cross section of INQ readers/commenters has about the lowest ability to reason I've ever seen. Get a clue. Intel wouldn't be suing on a product that hasn't shipped yet unless they feel threatened. (pp) ION is going to displace Intel's integrated crap in the current Netbook space (every major OEM is working on a design), and between ION and Tegra in the MID space in the near future. NVDA continues to raise the performance bar and Intel knows they can't keep up. (pp) Not sure why anyone (as commented above) would not want a competitive marketplace, it's better for everyone. What a bunch of idiots.
Intel should think twice before starting a fight over small things with the only company besides their best friend AMD, that can provide their platforms with reasonable GPU's.
Or may be they expect Larabee to come kill all "conventional" GPU business instantly??
(http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/19/intel_nvidia_cross_licensing_qpi_court_feb_09/ )
Intel claims the agreement doesn't cover new bus technologies, while Nvidia claims the agreement doesn't limit the licensing to specific products.
/n/n/n
(http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/19281/intel-sues-nvidia-over-chipset-licensing )
The suit was filed in the Court of Chancery in Delaware and is sealed to the public, but in the suit Intel alleges its existing licensing agreement with Nvidia does not apply to chipsets with integrated memory controllers that simply did not exist when the agreement was signed.
/n/n/n
Also I read on some news that intel is also seeking to void Nvidia's current license due to breach of contract by telling everyone they have a license to provide chipset for nehalem. That is most concerning.. Don't you think? Next build I am looking at AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU.
I read not long ago that Jen says the next ION Platform will work with VIA. My guess is they looked at the NANO and it wasn't quite ready.. So I think when NANO2 comes around, ION2 will also be there... Most of the people on Earth live in India, China and Japan. I use to be mostly Intel+nvidia.. Now I am planning AMD+Nvidia for my next build
Many thanks to the folks above 'fighting the good fight' and making their next system AMD/Nvidia out of principle (I have to assume all of these same people are using Linux as well!?!). May I suggest you look into some of the other products that you buy daily and apply your pious standards across the board. Me, I'll buy the best product at the time.
Nvidia is making an emotional response to the lawsuit - it'll be interesting if this thing goes to court how/if they can make a LEGAL one.
"Your honor, our product is SOOOO much better you have to allow us to make it for the good of mankind!" Judge: "Do you have a license to do it?" Nvidia: "But our product is better and can do high def, license-shmisence" Judge: "Well then surely you will allow Intel to make SLI compatible chipsets, you know in the interest of the good of the world and competition" Nvidia: "Hang on sec, that's a TOTALLY different story! That's our tech and Intel doesn't have a license" Judge laughs and says 'next case'.
Perhaps Nvidia should get their business in order and focus a bit less on the media outbursts - they may not be around long enough to produce these chipsets anway at the pace they are running the company into the ground.
Nvidia is the name I strongly associate with my better computing since I owned this AMD laptop with Nvidia graphics card. It does not matter what cpu is but it must be supported by Nvidia, otherwise there is no point wasting time like this, I would better be fishing or playing golf. For those who work with Unix and similar systems, this is wrong place to read, view or comment, go to the place you belong and bark at the moon right there. Since none of us own anything that belongs to the owners of Intel and Nvidia except outcomes of what they produce, it is pointless to defend or attack either of them. What I don't like however, is that I know for sure that Intel could make our lives easier long long long ago by making games running as good as with Nvidia. This game of Intel is the only puzzle I have not been able to break by using my mental powers only, since theR is no avail-able clue. cheers to the positive men out there.