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A WEB SITE owned by a US bloke is about to be shut by the Socialist Republic of Vietnam because it says things that the government does not like.
There are a few decent reasons why Timnhanh.com might be shut down. It nicks news stories (Cough! Ed.) and allows free music downloads. But the Vietnamese are more concerned that the site posts porn and runs "misleading" information about the government's policies.
Authorities have fined the Vietnam Online Network, or VON, which runs the site, ten million Dong (£400) for its violation, but coppers want the site off and they want it now. µ
L'INQ
AP
Perhaps if the US payed reparations for the slaughtered millions (and more maimed) at the hands of its unprovoked naked aggression against Vietnam, this moralistic superiority over the restriction of an American-owned anti-Vietnam government porn site might cause more outrage.
Where do you Marxo-Bolshevo-Stalinist types come up with these numbers? Do you just dream them up? Or are you swallowing the claims of the North Vietnamese during the war? Either way, the claim that the US "slaughtered millions" is just plain wrong.
Gee, maybe the US government should close down websites that are critical. After all, if honest, truthful governments like Vietnam do it, then it must be okay, right?
Wouldn't be much of an Internet then, would there?
Stop gulping the kool-aid and use the sloggy wet thing inside your head for more than stuffing to keep you from appearing funny.
Leaving Gen. Curtis LeMay's boast about bombing the country "back into the stone age" aside...
Congratulations!
Incoherent or not, you are inadvertently right about one thing when you suggest "the claims of the North Vietnamese during the war" were distorted by Commie propaganda. During the war the Commies grossly DOWNPLAYED casualties fearing the truth would undermine morale.
Later:
"The Hanoi government revealed on April 4 (1995) that the true civilian casualties of the Vietnam War were 2,000,000 in the north, and 2,000,000 in the south. Military casualties were 1.1 million killed and 600,000 wounded in 21 years of war. These figures were deliberately falsified during the war by the North Vietnamese Communists to avoid demoralizing the population.
Note: Given a Vietnamese population of approximately 38 million during the period 1954-1975, Vietnamese casualties represent a good 12-13% of the entire population. To put this in perspective, consider that the population of the US was 220 million during the Vietnam War. Had The US sustained casualties of 13% of its population, there would have been 28 million US dead."
Source (recommended by the History Channel) : rjsmith.com/kia_tbl. html
In short, another victory for your version of freedom-- Thanks to the US there are now millions who do not have to put up with the censoring of an American porn site--or even hear of the invention of internet-they are dead.
It's not like the leadership are war-crazy meglomaniacs intent on world domination. Oh wait, they are ;-)
Someone's got to rule the world, I'm just glad that through a fluke of birth I'm "on the right side". For now anyway.
Governments, particularly communist, deliberately distort "facts" for political advantage.
Yes, I believe the North Vietnamese government deliberately downplayed casualty statistics LOCALLY to avoid demoralizing the population. They were oh so eager to boost up the numbers for FOREIGN listeners to give the impression that the big bad US was murdering the entire population. And because they were a communist country, they didn't have to worry about the locals getting ahold of the false set of statistics they fed the world.
Fast forward to 1995, now they don't have to worry about the local population becoming demoralized, so they play up the over-hyped numbers to get sympathy from the anti-US types.
You cannot trust statistics from ANY government, particularly a communist one. They ALL lie!
Show me a realistic assessment NOT tainted by political considerations, and NOT based on some government-controlled "statistics". Then I might believe the claim.
But until then, any claim that the US killed millions in Vietnam is just so much hogwash.
And if you are so naive that you believe the claims of any government, then I feel quite sorry for you.
Not just hyped stats you morons. Use your common sense. The US lost over 200,000 soldiers in the Vietnam War. Considering they had a much more efficient and superior army, it would be a pretty good estimate to say that if they had lost over 200,000, then the Viets, being a weaker army would've lost 10x that. Use your brains will you? Do the math.
The US regularly bragged about how high its "kill ratio" was. I seem to recall a figure of 10:1 was quite commonly bandied about.