Together we add up, divided we're just a fraction - Thomas Monk, Accelenation
OUR NOW-FAVOURITE Dutch etailer (and probably the only one we know) has started listing 3 new AM3-based Phenom II, ahead of Monday's launch. These are the Phenom II X4 810, X3 720 Black Edition and X3 710.
The X4 810 is listed for €174, the X3 720 BE for €143 and the X3 710 for €124. Which places them just below t
he current X4 920.
But what about the UK, you ask? Well the CCL Computers on-line store has also started listing the processors at £159.69, £131.46 and £112.63 respectively, which means us Brits aren't getting the short end of the stick.
Then on the distri side of things, ASI Partner in North America also lists two additional models, the X4 805 (2.5GHz, 2MB+4MB cache, 95W) and the X4 910 in OEM. This puts the €uroland pricing into a bit of perspective.
Look at this table:
You can see that the lower-end 910 and 805 don't have retail equivalents and will likely never have. Which explains why AMD skipped directly from the X4 810 to the X4 920 in terms of price.
All these processors are based on the same 45nm Deneb cores amd sport the vaunted DDR3 memory controller that AMD hopes will close the gap between them and Intel. As we'd announced before, the specs seem to be spot on. Salland, however, announces a 6MB L3 cache on the X4 810 (sounds like they mixed total cache just then), this is most likely a typo.
Let's see how many of these reach the market, as AMD went on record saying they were cutting back a bit on production due to current market conditions. That tri-core Black Edition 2.8GHz processor with some decent overclocking potential should be worth the €143 they're asking for it. µ
It looks like AMD has got it's design process *and* it's manufacturing process back on track. Intel probably holds the top end $1000.00 CPU spot for some time but that is fine. Competition in the normal-person market segment is good: if someone wants to buy a desktop CPU for $1000.00, well, more power to her. Paul, have you any insight into how this new model translates into the higher margin Opteron processor market?
Quad core's been around for a while. It doesn't sound cool anymore. Why does AMD want to close up the gap on Intel when they know it's never going to happen? Just skip the whole damn phenom line and up the number of cores by 2x. If Sun can make a 16 core monster, why can't Arabs?
CPU's really need stream processors like graphics cards. When system processes (networking, drive access, mouse and keyboard input, audio, registry access, and others things) happen, they take processing time away from the CPU. It may only be 1 or 2 percent, but this can slow down intensive apps more than that simply by the way different takes share CPU time (and the switch time between them). By using stream processors, these small processes can be undertaken separate from the CPU, freeing up performance that is otherwise lost. Say if the processing power of the stream processors add 12 percent performance to the computer, due to the nature of multitasking this could lead to a much greater performance benefit in theory than the 12 percent.
The computer can have dedicated stream processors for the main things outlined above, and any spare processors can be used for programmes that only require a small amount of processing time.
I wanna GPU in place of a CPU. o.O
Wouldn't that be faster anyhow..
like quad core gpu 4 a cpu!
Teh awesomeness!!!!!!!!!!
@Mick: Why would AMD want to put stream processing on their chips? Hardly anybody uses tasks that demand it, and those that can represent a very small segment of the industry. It's hard enough to parallelize code as is, but to have to engineer your code such that it shys away from random access memory, and rely on purely cached data? No thanks. Only very specific tasks can even fit into that paradigm, and on the desktop, they are very few. Most processes can't be "streamed" because they're too complex, and really, what is the point? CPUs are very underutilized as is, so 12% "potential" CPU savings is nothing. I'd rather have them spent the research time try to develop better memory controllers for the tasks we *do* generally run.
@BB: I agree that a stream processor is not the solution. What could be held though from Mick's thoughts is the use of "lightweight" processors for common repeated tasks that require significant less resources. We could be using an asymetric multiprocessor CPU: two to four full featured cores like the ones used in Phenoms and Core's and one or two very simple, very energy efficient processors that could handle common OS tasks and some lightweight processes. This would require a new programming model (how does one define a process as lightweight?) and apparently new scheduling algorithms for the OS, but the gains - especially in the case of energy consumption - could be significant. Imagine using a system that could work with the power consumption of an Atom processor when doing things like email and word processing and the processing capabilities of an i7 while making Matlab computations or encoding tasks.
yeah, and then admire teh awesomeness when you won't even be able to run ms word, let alone crysis. there's a huge difference between fixed function and x86.
Larrabeeeee!!!!!!!!!
If you want I/O or network ops to be freed from burdening the CPU, shouldn't their engines be optimized to more of the work? Intel/AMD control the south bridges, let them get together to create a standard to offload the work--otherwise you'll have a crapload of new api's to coordinate the stream processing.