Nvidia delays 40nm parts

You are not keeping up with the Beyond3D forum rumors, Charlie. For the last six months we have known nVIDIA's 40nm part was supposed to be GT300 due in Q4 2009. GT212, et. all were supposed to be 55nm parts due mid 2009. GT212 is supposed to be another rework of the G80/GT200 architecture. GT300 is supposed to be a DX11 part. Given that this would mean nVIDIA would be releasing two new architectures within six months of each other during a faltering economy, it wouldn't suprise me if GT212 was just a figment of someone's overoptimistic imagination, as these are just rumors after all... Also any problems with 40nm will hit AMD and nVIDIA equally as they both use TSMC.

The only problem with Nvidia postponing their updated 40 nm parts is that ATI beat them with one generation ahead process.... And the diff b/t 55 and 40 is supposed to be more than between 65 and 55. Therefore.... ATI's 40nm will beat Nvidia's 55nm. Therefore, it'll be the same as it has been the last several months with ATI holding significant advantage due to a more advanced process along with a pretty decent and easy to manufacture core.
Right now, if Nvidia wants to stay competetive, they have to keep up with ATI on switching processes.

Maybe if Charlie hadn't made excuse after excuse for ATI repeatedly failing to deliver viable product (competitive) people would consider him unbiased. Of course at the same time he was excusing failure he was always hyping up the next part for ATI.

The problem is he wrote himself into the corner where he appears to be, at the least, an Nvidia hating shill. You reap what you sow. This is true for Nvidia as well as Charlie.

Then again if you go single GPU to single GPU the GTX 280 still wins the performance crown, so ATI has no choice but to sell their card for less. I consider this a good thing as it's keeping ATI from getting too cocky thus far while forcing Nvidia to pull down pricing quicker. Had ATI blown Nvidia out of the water with the 4870, like the 6 series did to ATI, we would have just seen the prices stay high, but with ATI higher.

So in this case partial success was better for the consumer than overarching success. Don't believe me? Remember when the 6 series came out after the 9x series ATI cards smacked Nvidia around? The 6 series was a qualified success that smacked around the ATI chips at the time. So much so that prices did NOT come down. Why? Nvidia had the kit to pummel their opponent and could charge more easily. The same thing happened when the Athlon 64 first came out and the P4 Northwood and Prescott cores (et al) took a drubbing. AMD significantly raised their prices because they had the top kit. Intel did the same thing with Core 2 when it slaughtered the AMD kit.

AMD/ATI are selling bargain kit right now because they HAVE to in order to survive. Their kit can't compete 1v1 with their competitors on performance alone, though the graphics is MUCH closer, so they compete on price.

Deal with it.

..as I could care less about either ATI or NVidia, these things pretending to be articles though, which are just snide little rants.. They are boring as hell. Even Nick's stuff about Apple is less predictable and more interesting.

Just because we don't like the article does not mean we are "Pro Nvidia". I happen to be an ATI owner. Its just that many of us here, like myself, are getting sick of turning on the Inquirer main page, seeing a headline that sounds anti-Nvidia and calling it a "Charlie" article before we even open it and we are never wrong of course. We just are sick of the constant hate machine on this site towards Nvidia by Charlie and we want it to stop. I like to see Nvidia smacked around as much as the next guy, but what Charlie is doing is akin to beating it down into the dirt over and over and then slamming a trash can on it. He just isn't biased about the company and therefor should not be doing actual reporting about them anymore. The fact is that no company does only evil all the time, so where are the positive reports by Charlie if he's only covering the Nvidia beat that so many fans here claim he is in their defense of him? you dolts should wake up, he isn't doing the Nvidia beat, he's doing the Nvidia hate beat and the hate beat only. READ MY LIPS, HE'S ONLY DOING NEGATIVE NEWS ABOUT ONE COMPANY. What the hell do you call that? (Ya, I know he does the occasional story about Blu-ray or some other thing he hates, but in the end, hate is all he does.

It amazes me how all of these comments here just happen to be "pro nvidia." Most of the fanboys attack Charlie saying that he does not get invited to press events and in return, post negative articles about Nvidia. However, how come none of you geniuses is questioning the news? So what if there is a disconnect there? Also, where were you guys when the Inq was the only place talking about the bad Nvidia chips when your precious company kept saying it is "not our fault" and "there is nothing wrong with the chips" long after it was presented here and validated in the community? Yea, that's what I thought. And who is the dumb a$$ saying that it was ATI's fault that Nvidia kept the prices high? Dude, it's puff puff pass. The truth is that ATI became non competitive for a while and your precious Nvidia charged ridiculous prices and imposed an incredible markup on their graphic cards. They could have lowered the prices but chose not to. Also, the didn't care much about innovation since there was little competition. All of this led to true arrogance. And as everyone knows, they finally got caught with their pants down. In any event, the title of this post says that "Nvidia delays 40nm parts" and if it is indeed true, then all you people attacking Charlie will look like tools.....better yet....you will look like (and maybe you are) Nvidia marketing folks.

Nvidia is such a den of ebil. Good thing we had Charlie to wander into the place like Van Helsing to drive a stake through Nvidia's heart. Nvidia deserves to be punished and go out of business leaving only the holy engineers of light and purity at ATI which only have, and always will, put out only quality parts at low, low prices. ATI would never gouge the consumer. They need no competition to be pure, so Nivida can die and we will continue to have ATI offering us advancement of leaps and bounds.

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@marquizx "at least they are never a complete non-factor like the RED side was once..."

Actually they were, do you not remember the 5000 series cards, well i do and ,they where to Nvidia what the hd2000 series was to ATI.

Grain of salt, people. It's still news- just keep in mind it's got an author's opinion attached to it. You guys jump to Nvidia's defense like your family owns it or something. If you don't like it, don't read it, right? You fanbois are an even more irritating broken record.

..you tedious little weasel. After the numerous technical errors in recent articles, it's hard to take anything you say seriously any more, you just seem to be a one-track troll.

As sure as night follows day, if there's any Nvidia news, you can bet that if one of the grownups (like Sylvie or Paul) don't get there quick enough, you will jump on it, denude it of all information content, and use it as a soapbox for your tedious whining.

Please, Charlie, you're embarrassing yourself now. Take some time off, come back when you've got over it. You used to be able to write, at least.

Give the man his due: he was bang on about nVidia's manufacturing problems and their "fuck you" attitude to their customers, partners and investors.

There's nothing wrong with giving them another swift kick while they're down.

I'm getting the impression Charlie doesn't like Nvidia. Ahh poor Charlie, Nvidia doesn't invite you to press events. Charlie can't have that. No attention from Nvidia means Charlie has to punish them. Ahh, how sad for poor old Charlie. No attention is bad for Charlie. Charlie needs attention. Anyone not giving Charlie attention is bad.

Charlie see a psychologist, as we are sick of your HPD/NPD rantings, all because you were attention snubbed and rightly so, due to your very evident attitude problems.

Its getting ever harder to workout which parts of The Inq, are real news and which parts are just hate filled bile, caused by some personal dislike of the company you lot talk about. You are undermining the credibility of your news reports, and you will drive ever more people away from your website. (Just look at the attitude of the other posters, they all see how hate filled and biased the news is becoming on here).

But maybe the reason is different. Before nVIDIA fans start flaming him again, everybody should start thinking about those at least 10 million intel chipsets from the 4x series that sit @ ASUS & Gigabyte and are not selling due to lowered demand.

Maybe nVIDIA is slowing down the pace due to the fact that it knows that ATi won't come out with something new for a while and they want to clear all the current inventory. Heck .. they've just introduced the new 55nm parts, why wouldn't they wait at least 6 months before announcing the 40nm parts ? If the 40nm announcement would have been kept in Q2 then there 55nm parts would have been "novelties" for only 3-4 months considering the fact that currently they are not widely available .

Zzzzz

ATi screwed up for years, now its Nvidia turn... in their own unique style.

Remember the X800,X850 & X1800 series ?? Like did anybody ever manage to buy a retail XTX card... ever ???

Hmm... I just recommended a friend buy either a cut price 280 or a 1GB 4870 - so that's my balance credentials. But I'm starting to hope that ATI screw things up (well they did with ATI powerplay on the 48XX series). The GTX 295 has come out with 90% of reviewers impressed; quieter, more efficient yet more powerful than the almighty 4870X2. (and dont forget Charlie said the GX2 variant of the 260/280 wasn't going to happen). No praise from Charlie mind. Never mind, there's always techPowerUp for neutral views.

Charlie and the Spin factory is at it again. How long have you guys been pissed off at Nvidia, since like 2003? You hold a grudge longer than a psycho ex. Seriously, get over it.

Leave it to the spin factory to spin a non-issue into an issue.

All the "good" talent got canned for using the wrong process IP when designing the last gen chips.

Being GT212 is the "performance" echelon version of GT200 (perhaps with 384sp) why would this be the chip to get the ax? Are you assuming GT212 is a shrink of GT200/206 and they'll face the same shrink issues? Personally, I think it's a redesigned chip. It seems this would be the priority chip to preempt/combat Rv870. I'd think it's more likely GT214/218 would go. The former because G92 could hold that ground if need-be, although it WOULD be pathetic, and the later because it's probably another iteration or slightly beefed up G98 (64sp?) on 40nm. Even if they couldn't get gt212 out until around the time of GT300, it would still make sense to have, as they need to have a ~200mm2 'performance' part to compete with ATi's high-end on the 40nm process...unless they really are that brazen (read: arrogant) and want to repeat the GT200 disaster vs. 870, with the next best part (GT216 - 160sp?) being comparable to rv790...which likely will be out quite a bit beforehand. Granted, rv770/790 will likely be a larger chip on 55nm, but does nvidia think AMD is sitting on their hands and not planning a rv830 to replace it?

If you're right Charles: Wow...Just wow.

nvidia suck.. yeah yeah.. blah blah blah.. where is charlie when ATI was non-factor for 2 years.. it was ATIs fault why gpu tech slowed down.. because they werent competetive for 2 years.. yeah yeah yeah.. blah blah blah blah* at least they are never a complete non-factor like the RED side was once...