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Jesus was a Gemini
AN AUSSIE BOFFIN has been tinkering with his computer and worked out that Jesus was not born in December, but June.
Dave Reneke, former chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie Observatory in New South Wales, used complex computer software to map the night sky as it would have appeared over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago.
He said that he can pinpoint the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than December 25, according to The Times.
Reneke said that the only celestial conjunction way back then that looked like a Christmas star appeared in June, not December.
He said that Venus and Jupiter became very close in the year 2 B.C. and they would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light. While this is not definitely the Christmas star, Reneke said it is the strongest explanation for it he had seen.
This would mean that the Wise men would have said that Jesus was a chatty Gemini rather than a more materialistic, sex-obsessed Capricorn.
The bible never mentioned that Jesus was born on December 25. That date was decided by the early Roman church when it was desperate to attract worshippers away from the much older Mithras cult, with which it seemed to be having an intellectual property dispute.
Mithras had a virgin birth, in a cave or stable on December 25. He had twelve companions, performed miracles, was dubbed "the good shepherd," "the way, the truth and the light,” “redeemer,” “saviour,” “Messiah." He was identified with both the lion and the lamb. His worshippers held secret ceremonies that included a baptism to remove sins and a sacred meal of bread and water and specially consecrated wine. µ
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Im a Gem too. Zeitgeist ID'd loads of others born on 25th dec and Mary holding baby Jesus ikon is the same as Isis-Meri holding Horus.
Makes sense kinda but dont mess with the Jesus.
The celebration on December 25 was associated with the worship of the sun and the winter solstice.
Wow, i love it when you dig and search for every little story that has the slightest relation to Christianity and hypocritically turn things around to get more readers, in the end, you insult, you lie, an twist things around eloquently, and you come up clean, you Christianity lover! may the big bang bless you.
One slight problem with 2BC. Jesus was anything up to two years old when Herod tried to kill him. Herod died in 4BC, placing Jesus birth somewhere between 7 and 4 BC. September 7BC is the accepted scholarly date for his birth, I believe ...
Cheers,
Wol
I'll do a research study on this mysterious substance made up of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom... Initial reports are that it's everywhere. I shall call it "Abundencion".
Seriously, what real Christian doesn't know that Dec 25 is a quasi-random date picked because the Pagans were already celebrating?
Did anyone really believe it was the 25th of December?
I know Christians are naive, but...!
Bourne thing was simaler to all successful peoples with orphan of power, being King Davids Son. Yet Jessee' went in large tour circle & thought King David still in Power, yet, only 4 blocks from origins, herold apparently had expanded range, so Cheesie Died, blabbling about daddie.. Bad Luck in Rough world. Too bad there isn;t much more than this chemical photograph inside.drashek
Hi,
The parallel between Christianity and Mithras in the last paragraph was strange so I checked out the Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras).
I have found no trace of Mithras being born in a cave or stable, or being considered Messianistic, or being identified with lion and lamb; no trace of sacred meal or wine, nor baptism. The only parallel could be virgin birth but according to that article, that theory "...is in contradiction to the traditional understanding of Mithras' birth".
The author must have done his "research" by copying from one of those "Christianity is fake LOL" hate pages.
Stay away from this author.
On another note, I could confirm with Celestia (http://www.shatters.net/celestia/) that on 2nd Aug, 2BC at around 9am UTC, there indeed was a Jupiter-Venus occultation. But that time is broad daylight in Israel (11am or so).
The Julian date, which is easier to set in Celestia, is 1720550.87084 .
Correction - the date is 12th Aug rather than 2nd. The Julian date is correct though.
Not sure if Celestia takes into account the various adjustments that were made to the Gregorian calendar throughout the centuries. This might explain the difference between this date and the one the Aussie bloke found.
I have quickly found two other occultations in that timeframe:
Mars-Venus: 1720100.51672 (19th May 3BC)
Venus-Saturn: 1720490.16942 (12th Jun 2BC, 2 months earlier than with Jupiter)
Apparently, these occultations happen quite regularly.
Seems the comments about Mithras vs. Christianity are borne out here: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/pch/pch70.htm
Not sure how accurate this work is as it is designed to attack the validity of Christianity with pagan religious parallels.
A more scholarly investigation could start here instead: http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/mom/index.htm
"A day late and a dollar short" on this analysis... Dr. Ernest L. Martin compiled a thorough and scholarly analysis of the birth of Christ nearly 20 years ago in his book "The Star That Astonished the World". His impressive and precise calculation of that date as Sept. 11, 3B.C.E. (including complete astronomical analysis), can be read at http://www.askelm.com/star/star006.htm.
I imagined that the Christmas Star was, in fact, the Starship which dropped the baby Jesus off and then hung around a few days to make sure the nasty awful human race didn't kill him right away. His mission on Earth was, of course, to bring the humans up to the standard of acceptability of the Galactic Federation. Since starships are expensive to operate and maintain and the one which brought Jesus to Earth had a tight schedule to keep, it had to depart GEO soon after. They spent years away and even crossed paths with that Capt. Kirk character and his lot a few times. Fortunately, it returned just in time to beam Jesus up when things didn't go quite as planned.
My childhood explanation is as good as any since we know virtually nothing factual about the life of Jesus. However, biblical scholars generally consider Jesus to have been born, as a previous poster stated, between the years 7 and 4 BCE. It has more to do with correlation of known historical events and not fanciful astronomical ones. If we ever do get time travel it's certain what period in history will be a popular destination.
This is what the Muslims said all along. It's funny how the world still refuses to believe the Muslim as a intellectual people.
Mithras Jesus was born on 10 March, and is a Pisces. It said so right on his Social Security claim.
Weird to think that I now share my birthday with Jesus. Oh, and Barry Manilow.