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Dell talks about 80 core processor

Core Blimey!
Wednesday, 19 November 2008, 13:31

GET READY FOR an 80-core monster machine from Dell. At SC08 yesterday, Michael Dell, Dell’s CEO gave a presentation which included a slide showing an 80 core chip which should tip up sometime around 2010.

It isn’t the first time 80-core processors have come up in conference conversation. A couple of years ago, Intel’s CEO, Paul Otellini, took the opportunity in an IDF keynote to make similar promises of delivering an 80-core processor within the next five years. He had also noted that the chips should be able to swap data at a terabyte a second.

"The x86 revolution continues. You see more and more cores. Increased performance. But also without more power required," said Dell during his keynote yesterday, noting that the trend was to pack more and more computing power into smaller machines, creating desktop sized supercomputers.

alt='dell-slide'Dell slide shown Tuesday at SC08 (Credit: Dell Computer)

Of course the jump to 80 cores won’t happen without several intermediate stages. Intel’s upcoming Larrabee graphics chip will be a multi-core processor, and Chipzilla’s Dunnington already counts six cores.

Sun Microsystem’s Rock processor has 16 cores and Intel is rumoured to be planning a 32-core system very soon indeed. µ

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Times Have Changed.

Notice Flatness of curve from 1970 to 1990. Back when this was ALL Locked Up in TV Stations, TelCo & Business.

Look at 2005 to Today, What increase in Change, yet 4 core wasn't mid 2005 item, so this must include preliminaries of announced plans. Little Logo is 6 times larger. Oh,Boy.

Grease Your Palms & Twinkle Your Eyes while Choosing NEW System, My Friend. Its Latter Than You Realize. Soon Research will be beyond Desktop.
Its Gonna be ME & MY Big Screen World. Whats Next? 256 Core was announced few days back, So Keep on Calmly Waiting.
drashek


posted by : vondrashek, 19 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Pointless?

So that would be a super-duper 80-core processor with 72 of those cores idle, while the other eight attempt to run Windows "BALLMER EDITION"? Adding extra cores seems futile for the consumer until software can catch up and exploit them. Even most professional 3D applications don't make use of more than 8.

posted by : H. Ruiz, 19 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Software to use 80 cores? 6 cores? how about 4?

Any talk of software able to use this kind of power? Please dont say "Windows 9".

posted by : AG, 19 November 2008 Complain about this comment
skewed plot

The shown graph hides a problem. Dell combined the performance per CPU core with the performance gain from a multi-core architecture, and then they plot the development over the past decades of the product. The shown result is an exponential increase. The problem is that the performance as a function of the number of cores is asymptotic. Increasing the number of cores only delays the inevitable.

However, hp kept telling VMS users that Itanium is the only option because the x86 architecture would not scale well beyond 8 CPUs (or cores). That may be true, but nevertheless an 80-core x86 CPU will sink even the most expensive Itanium, besides the fact that people are not happy to pay 20 times more for an (hp) Itanium system than for an x86-based (Dell) PC. And that is why we read about all the great new x86 stuff and nothing about the Itanium.

posted by : Funny Bunny, 19 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Um, bit of a problem there

Should you not be referring to "Core™" when you speak of 80 "core"???
"Core" is not a word any more, Sir, that is a trademarked phrase for which you have not given proper credit to the rightful owner, who I hasten to add is "Intel™"; the organization that possesses that particular intellectual property.
Please, do not let it happen again.

posted by : Grunchy, 19 November 2008 Complain about this comment
How many ?!

"And software will take a further 13 years to catch up..."

I struggle to find software to properly use my 4 core.

Regards

posted by : Fred, 19 November 2008 Complain about this comment
2010? Too soon...

I don't think we'll see 80 cores in 2010. We're in November 2008 and we have a maximum of 4 cores, with octacore processors coming next year. We're still way too far from 80 cores, I don't see them coming till 2020.

posted by : Alex, 19 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Well

now how will these run Crysis?

And when is there gonna be a new version of Fractint>?

Fractal proggies+80 cores=extreme edition coolness.

posted by : Orangethetan, 19 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Make us pay for it...

More likely it is 4 this year, 8 the next and then 12, etc.

And Intel and AMD will make us pay handsomely for each upgrade.

Why jump to 80 in 2 years when they can get us to pay for it may times over with each quantum jump...?

posted by : Stuart Halliday, 19 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Definitely by 2010

Alex, you are making the incorrect assumption that each core will be equivalent to today's full-fledged cpu. That is not the case, Intel has already leaked/specified that the cores will be stripped-down "in-order" units with many less transistors than a full-fledged core in today's dual and quad core systems. Read more on larrabee for the details.

posted by : gruvenwagon, 19 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Meh

The thing with these massively parallel CPU architectures is that they're aimed at replacing another massively parallel system in modern computers: the GPU. Thus systems with 80 CPU's won't be needing a dedicated video card for gaming. The thing to watch is the software abstraction layers for this (DX11? and OpenCL?) for this type of hardware.

How fast each one of those 80 cores is going to be compared to a single core of today is also of concern. Most attempts at massively parallel chips today (Cell) compromise too much in terms of single threaded performance and ease of programability to reach a target die size. An asymmetrical design with a few fast, large cores and many smaller, slower cores maybe the best hardware solution but proper support would requires some significant kernel level tweaking for best performance and power consumption.

posted by : Kevin G, 20 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Only 80?

80 cores shouldn't be hard to do at all. In fact, I wouldn't imagine Intel would have trouble putting a full 256 cores on a die, so long as they're all 6502s that run at 1 MHz.

Performance per core. That's the catch.

posted by : Mike Green, 20 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Dell is dull

Why is Dell talking about 80 score processors ? As if they have anything to do with designing even a single core processor. Its getting old, how they constantly regurgitate Intel's (and other company's work), like they contributed to it. They do it to make poor suckers think that they are a technology company, and buy their "me too" computers. All they are is the Walmart of technology, and no amount of pretending is going to change that. They are a marketing and procurement company (masquerading as a technology company), and that is why HP and all the other OEM's (that actually have an R&D budget) continue to eat their lunch.

posted by : unit, 20 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Cooling???

If each one of those cores dissipated as little as 2 watts that's 160w of heat. The reality is probably closer to 5w so that's 300w. Great idea, now they can sell a chiller with each system.

posted by : DRT, 20 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Re: Um, bit of a problem there

"Sir, that is a trademarked phrase for which you have not given proper credit to the rightful owner, who I hasten to add is "Intel™"; the organization that possesses that particular intellectual property. "

Is this idiocy or sarcasm? The word "core" has a long-established meaning in CPU manufacture and you should note that Intel haven't trademarked the word by itself, mostly because they'd be laughed at for doing so. And I think you'll find it's "Intel®" and that *you* have been careless with the "intellectual property". Further reading for the remedial group can be found here:

http://www.intel.com/intel/legal/tmnouns2.htm

Um, indeed, corporate whore!

posted by : Horse, 20 November 2008 Complain about this comment
GPGPU

Where's that war GPGPU vs CPU war of 2008/09 promised by INQ?

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/04/03/gpgpu-vs-cpu-will-be-the-war-of-2008-9

posted by : far, 20 November 2008 Complain about this comment
DELL? Now, come on...

Even if Intel does come out with such a beast, it would not be top of the line high end cores... 
See Intel Labs take on it:

http://blogs.intel.com/research/2007/09/making_virtual_more_real.php

Then there comes the need for an OS. Linux goes up to 16 cores OK now. Solaris can go up to 256 on X64 now, but DELL really doesn't seem to take Solaris too seriously... So then, why again is DELL talking about this? Out of all the vendors, DELL is the least capable of taking advantage of such a chip. DELL really has nothing to add to HPC and are just regurgitating what INTEL has provided them.

posted by : Bill Long, 21 November 2008 Complain about this comment
Seen it

I saw an 80 core intel chip running at this years gitex in dubai..

Thats all

posted by : chute13, 21 November 2008 Complain about this comment
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