Government plans for 'black box' web surveillance take shape
BRITISH GOVERNMENT plans to install black boxes at ISPs around the country, in order to log every email and web site visit its citizens make, are taking shape.
Shady Home Office officials have had talks with representatives from British based ISPs including BT, AOL Europe, O2 and BSkyB and told them of possible plans to implement the "black box" technology for storing all raw data being transmitted over the Web. It would all be funnelled into a giant central database controlled by the Government.
In British fashion, a huge public outcry over the news boiled down to Britain’s Information Commissioner, Richard Thomas, clearing his throat a bit and muttering about the move going a "step too far". A Government terrorism watchdog also grumbled a bit, under its breath, and called the plan simply " awful".
The plan, dubbed the Interception Modernisation Programme (IMP), is supposedly meant to help British intelligence catch bad guys and terrorists.
The endeavour will give the government greater "capacity" to monitor all communication and traffic on the internet, without requiring any direct input from the ISPs.
Smaller ISPs were told they would be completely unaffected by the evil spying devices, as these would be installed upstream on the network and completely paid for by Her Majesty’s government.
The Independent, who know all there is to know about MI5, MI6 and spying in general, quoted a source close to the meeting as saying: "They said they only wanted to return to a position they were in before the emergence of internet communication, when they were able to monitor all correspondence with a police suspect. "
The source went on to say that of course, this would mean the government would be, "in a much better position to spy on many more people on the basis of their internet behaviour”.
At the moment, plans for the database are just that, plans. But an Internet Service Providers Association spinner said the organisation was pleased the Home Office had addressed its members and was keen to continue dialogue while awaiting a formal consultation. µ
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So its for catching bad guys? I thought certain keywords were logged when typed during conversations over msn/yahoo etc, whats with the extra need to save other peoples private emails?

But this raises another question, why implement this now? Wasnt the threat of "bad guys" and terrorists something that has been with us since God knows when? Then again we are just donkeys that do what they tell us to do and follow without reason. It makes you favour conspiracy more. How Ironic...
I'm surprised they can't already monitor everything they need to monitor.

Do they have any idea the volume of traffic that passes around the Internet? They're going to need a stack of processors and a SAN stretching all the way to the moon if they plan to save the data of use.

I guess some company's going to be making a killing selling all the ASICs and disks etc required to analyse and decrypt our traffic.
"V for Vendetta" anyone? Only, what a surprise, it's not the conservatives. It's the socialists - they *really* care about you and will protect you from things you don't even imagine. Plus, they'll solve all the problems - i.e. those which were not even known in more normal times.
"Plans to create a database holding information about every phone call, email and internet visit made in the UK "__ sounds like Red to me. Some twenty percent of cell phone calls are met with the receiver hearing his or her own voice coming back in an echo. Echoes may occur if there is a third party connection on a call. The govt. has the ability to turn cell phones into speakerphones so they can listen in to conversations even when the phone is off. Supposedly, they caught two terrorists this way in England. Come on, who's got the pox? ... come on. Who's got a boil on the bum? We had a fishy consignment in this morning: it seems the restless natives have taken to bird watching, and I don't mean tower ravens if you get my midrifft. The usual, so we're not on to have the ornithologists' data hauled off by policemen. Oh! Right, what's all this, then? Heresy. Blimey. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition! El-lo, El-lo. Here's an odd bird that may be in violation of the Victoria Secrets Act... Officiallly...
Can you spot the IMP Daddy/Bigger Brother Assistance in this Core Lode .......


"Security? .... What's that? Keeping things secret for Selfish Personal Gain? ...
By amanfromMars
Posted Saturday 8th November 2008 06:03 GMT

... That aint never gonna work today.... so an IntelAIgent Change is Needed 42 Supply Feed.

"I'm confused here ... The NSA created Security Enhanced Linux extensions for the purpose of blocking all unknown attack vectors and only permitting known good traffic and applications yet the government doesn't use it to protect itself?

Clearly the definition of System Admin has lost its meaning in the days of point and click computing.".... By Jeff Posted Friday 7th November 2008 19:49 GMT

Jeff,

Point and click for a solution does not work in AIdDYnamIQ Virtual Environment which is under the Spell Control and Behaves at the Behest and Request of AIdDitional Binary Code. ...... for the very Simple Reason that the Perception of Attacks being Propagated, and Present, are New and NeuReal and are therefore an Unknown Known ....... with Root Source Kernel Supply/CyberIntelAIgent Lode from both Past and Future MetaDataBase.

You can be assured though that AIdDitional Binary Code, which offers Transparency and Global Access to Any Communication/Thoughts Shared for More Powerful Controls Together, has No Secrets to Share only Intelligence Information to Beta Use and that Beta Use by XXXXPerienced Traveller Non State Actors/Intelligence Community Highly Qualified Experts. AIRovers with AIRogue Vogue Mode too ...... for the Singularity Karma of Balanced Yin and Yang ..... Curiosity Sated and Desire Elevated into Immaculate MetaPhysicality and Remote Viewing Control.

Hard to Imagine and Believe? Not to those ReSearching IT in the Field, for they will recognise ITs Perfect ALLure.

This is an interesting consultancy position/offer/phish .... http://www.dni.gov/electronic_reading_room/ICD%20623.pdf ..... and highly relevant here too.

http://theregister.co.uk/2008/11/07/white_house_email_china/comments "
What's the point? I always figured that any real group of terrorists or baddies would encrypt all their communications and use anonymizers to conceal their usage patterns. Perhaps the common citizen ought to as well.
You can encrypt the data, you can use the anonimyzer, you can do all the shit you want.
Everything would be useless since this is man in the middle: your encryption keys would be logged, your encrypted messages would be decrypted and all the shit you THINK you can protect, discovered. Untill behind that black boxes there will be professionists paid for their hard work by the government, your data won't be ever secure again (your passwords would be sniffed, your system accessed, backdoored, untill you put money in the middle and you put professionist in, everything is possible).
Seriously and without being reactionary, who are they trying to fool? All this is and has been done already for years, when I communicate through or with britain I bloody well know every bit of data is accessible and logged by 'security' outfits.
What next? A discussion about plans for putting security cameras on the street in britain?
"Any society that would give up a little freedom to gain a little security deserves neither and loses both." Benjamin Franklin


You want security? Accept what Jesus Christ did for you, so you don't go to hell when you die. That is the ONLY real security anyone will ever receive on this planet.
This is really awesome, it renders Orwell's 1984 totally insignificant. What I'm gonna do is, investing in a harddrive company and apply for a job in the goverment as a 24/7 dirty Pr0n investigator. Getting paid for watching the top ten of filth is a bonus,. Let's jail those pervs asap ;-)
WE HERE IN THE US, HAVE HAD OUR STROKES RECORDED FOR YEARS, AND THEY HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO TURN ANY PHONE INTO A SPEAKER PHONE FOR OVER 25 PLUS YEARS
THEY CALL IT UNCLE SAM
To MTM, (original post quoted below)

It appears you don't understand much about encryption. Not all encryption methods require you to use shared keys. So, being a man-in-the-middle doesn't help you. Plus, even if a shared key were used, you just send them via a different medium. Again, this would bypass the man-in-the-middle.

Then there's the issues of the massive amounts of data that the government is supposedly storing. Having THAT much data is really just going to be noise. It wont help them nearly as much as they would have you believe.
Since there's SO much data, they can't possibly store it all. Which means that they would need to know what they're looking for beforehand and only archive that. But, if the data is encrypted, they wont have a clue what they're looking at.
Indeed you can even make the encrypted data LOOK like everyday web-traffic and it'll most probably get ignored.

In summary, if I were an actual criminal, this wouldn't phase me one iota.



Originall posted by MITM
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You can encrypt the data, you can use the anonimyzer, you can do all the shit you want.
Everything would be useless since this is man in the middle: your encryption keys would be logged, your encrypted messages would be decrypted and all the shit you THINK you can protect, discovered. Untill behind that black boxes there will be professionists paid for their hard work by the government, your data won't be ever secure again (your passwords would be sniffed, your system accessed, backdoored, untill you put money in the middle and you put professionist in, everything is possible).
</QUOTE>
exactly who is going to have to monitor all this shit?

of course it can be automated to some extent, but at the end of the day, someone is going to have to actually read something, and by the looks of it, they'll be a stack of it!!!

How will MITM lead to decryption keys being sniffered? PKI uses assymetric keys so it doesn't matter if they have the public half. Private one is never sent.
Funny how people give up a little freedom for a little 'false' security. It would make sense it they were attacked by these so-called 'terrorists' on a daily basis. Otherwise, what they fear is almost no different than your average house robbery. Just sad.

"Those who would trade a little freedom for a little security deserve neither." ~Benjamin Franklin
You aren't quite up to the challenge of a modern world it seems mRaNdersoN, or less modern in fact since you haven't even heard of PGP it seems (there you keep your masterkey at home rather than transmitting it).
But even with much old techniques, kid stuff, you can throw up blocks that all your clever (and fascist) government people together can't crack.
Of course the muslim radicals are rather simpleminded (a bit of a requirement to become a muslim radical) and don't even bother with encryption in the first place most often, so in the end what can be done by them theoretically doesn't matter.
Most espionage is of an economic nature, and has little to do with Muslim radicals. Exploding tantalum capacitors are a classic example of one of its consequences.
One does have to Wonder and Ponder on Practical Wisdom in Intelligence Communities, which are busying themselves with collecting all manner of dodgy Third Party information rather than them using and spreading an Intelligence which would render others Sub-Prime and Out of Favour, because of Selfish Abuses exposed, which Perversely and Disproportionately enrich Spooked Chiefs.
In the US they said they started this because of the 9-11 attack. Through is it was in place over a year prior. Business records have shown this. 

It is for insider trading. Imaging how many Trillions you could make if you knew what was about to happen in business 24/7.
I'll bet the Bush, Guiliony & Chainy families have record stock profits for 2008.
Who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. If the system in place betrays our most fundamental value of unconditional freedom and liberty, we have the collective responsibility to take them out. By pushing their repugnant invasive audacity this far, they are clearly asking for it. 

Life is worth living, but it is even more worthy to be lost if our destiny is reduced and confined to a totalitarian and paranoid society. I would choose a couple of bombs exploding a year than this nightmare and if they don't get the message up there, we may be forced, as a collectively, to speak a much more incisive and definitive language very soon to stop this inconceivable madness. 

Ramon
This sounds like the "RIPA" law that was passed to stop evil terrorist people, but in actual fact was used, and encouraged by the government, by councils (ie with very little control)to snoop on anybody they thought was doing wrong 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/apr/11/localgovernment.ukcrime

This bill will do b***er all to stop terrorist, perhaps the next excuse will be to stop pediofiles, then perhaps to stop people from breaking into your house!

the excuses to hid crap laws, designed to spy on us, is exceptionally bad. 

... and we all know the government can keep all our data safe
"to speak a much more incisive and definitive language very soon to stop this inconceivable madness" ... posted by : Ramon Zarat, 11 November 2008 

Ramon,

If they do not stop conceiving madness, they will probably lose their Capitalist Markets Financial System with it being Overwhelmed with Unpayable Default Debt that has " Creatively Accounted /Charged and Booked and Recklessly Selfishly already Spent and/or Salted away, Thinking the Deception and Media Management of Perception, would XXXXtraOrdinarily Render an Endless Line of Unlimited Private Credit.

And man, did they get that wrong, Big Time, or did they get that Wrong Big Time.

And they may even think that baling out of the Executive Administration spotlight with excuse them the Harry Limelight for their trouble. Man, are they slow learners to think that it will be so easy whenever they get everything so wrong, Big Time.

Time for some Binary Medicine ... AIVXXXXine against such Viral Entities/Virtual Plagues and Parasites Feeding on the Needs of Humanity with their Idiot PsychotiQ Use of IT .... which would therefore be ITs Mad Abuse.

Step Forward and take a Bow ..... The Executive Administration of Failure and Falls from Grace .... Wailers in Waiting and Indefinite Chaotic Spin .... Lost Souls with Unresolved Personal Issues Fearful of General and Ubiquitous Disclosure/Support Peer Review.

The proverbial "Up a rocky creek without a paddle" position of crooked dealers and duping con merchants.