UT3 is en route with DX10 ahoy

Somehow I doubt this. A lot of the people with really OTT gaming rigs are still running XP/DX9 because they want things to work, the machines would be more than capable of running Vista, just people choose not to.. for some *strange* reason.

great news, now you can play UT3 on your favorite compat laptop. that 9600 minimun requierement will be based on 30 fps possible with such gpu?

if you have decent hardware, vista runs a treat and reliably, there is this whole stigma over vista thats its unreliable, the drm is naughty, and the OEM versions are to restrictive (thanks Charlie D) the truth is.
vista is reliable, I run all my games on it, with X FI and a 8800 2gb good ram, the DRM has never affected me at all, and when it has its just when serving recorded media, all you do is click remove personal info and properties, and drm goes away, and last but not least (drumroll) I have changed hardware 4 times and activate without problems (sorry charlie) you will have to find something else to pick out of vista now
could everyone stop bitching about Vista, it works, its new, has some good features, and runs just as fast, and more reliable then Xp ever did 
so enjoy vista and DX gaming I will, if you choose to sit on Xp and let ur game collection rot, I say to you sir, smile and wave boys smile and wave.

Sure gamers want the best visual experience, and DX10 supposedly does have more advanced capabilities. But hardly any games that take real advantage of DX10 are out. Most of the ones that do don't even look that much different.

But we can't forget that frame rates drop noticeably under vista. Then throw in the fact that EAX and other audio effects are killed by vista. 

IMO that 1 up for vista, but 2 up for XP/dx9

Just to update seinfeld and others,we build pc`s all week,month,year long and Vista is the WORST o/s ever.We sell more xp`s to people with `Vista` than ever,I can see no saving it,BLOATWARE.
If you wish to `PAY` epson and other companies for drivers for Vista then go ahead and use this cumbersome,slow,major network issues,etc o/s.ITS BAD BAD BAD.People who say otherwise are talking out of their a*se,VISTA IS CRAP FULL STOP

To seinfeld: i should assume you're working for Micro$oft :D
Because that's the only reason one would write something like you did.

I installed Vista on 20 computers so far, and it was so popular that people called me to get rid of it and install XP :D lol

I also don't get this DX10 hype... and since nVidia had problems with its drivers there are no reasons to not port DX10 on XP... but i guess if M$ did that noone would buy their new Vista...

I for one am sticking to XP untill i apsolutley have to switch... besides DX10? who even cares...


Yeah, DX10 is supposed to be, but most of its features have been on Open GL for the longest time. My XP rig runs perfectly fine, stable, and uses less resources than Vista. Heck, the only reason I run Windows is for games, Linux is easier to use and has been looking good without having its kernal exposed to graphics drivers for a while now.

I'm so tired of this whole debate. The fact that I turn my head one way and someone is saying how great Vista is and then I blink and look in another direction to find someone saying how awful it is is an indication of problems because if Vista was so great there wouldn't be a debate, there wouldn't be a question, there would be a lot of people giving it bloody 9's and 10's for the majority of the reviews and it's not happening. I love hardware and software and this whole Vista issue has become a nightmare because it's not cheap, one way or the other, as far as the "Ultimate" version goes, and if I am going to spend my money for something I would like to know what I'm getting into BEFOREHAND and this is a product where things like "value" and "satisfaction" are just not a certainty

Have Vista and XP on dual boot for almost a _year_ now, and I just about never use Vista. I installed Vista, said something like "oooooo glass", installed an extremely small number of apps that actually worked on the darn OS, and then promptly forgot about it.

There are just way too many freeware programs out there that doe not work on Vista, and many freeware author aren't bothering to go through the fuss to make their program "vista ready" either. I don't blame them, nor do I care. I don't use Vista even when I have it.

I know it's trendy to dig up any random crap, if it's Sony or PS3, but Epic are still working on UT3 for 2007.

You, sirs, are all wrong. A confrontational way to start perhaps but this is how I see it.

You, MS/Vista fanboy, in my experience and the experiences of people I know, both in the real world and online, Vista is not perfect, its not the great wonderful new OS MS promised and it does have some *bloody* annoying features.

You, Anti-MS/Vista person, your wrong too. Yes, Vista may have a performance drop and do you know how much that is, when playing games? Do you? 5%. At most. Go read the very detailed HardOCP articles.

Now, who remembers when XP came out? Deja Vu anyone? It was oh so buggy, had such annoying features and was much slower while gaming then 2k. What now? 2 services packs later and its the best thing to happen since Win95. Why shouldn't that happen again.

And on the subject of DX10, I will tell you who cares. Me. Me and every other gamer that wants to stretch there nice new 8880 series graphics cards. Look at Crysis, and if that not enough look at Bioshock or Far Cry 2 or Call of Juarez or any other DX10 enabled game. More and better eye-candy with the same or similar performance to DX9. How many gamers do you know who would say no to that?

Steg

I have to say that most people just need to think back to when XP was released... I didnt upgrade to XP for a good 2 years because it was 'shit slow' and 'there were no drivers' 

But back then I was running a K6-3-450, 256mbs ram, 6gb hdd + a Voodoo 3 64mb, and it was the mutts nutts for its day! 

So all this debacal about how vista is the 'worst os ever' and 'xp is better' its really bollocks imo. Anyone who's actually been in the computer market long enough know's that the switchs between operating systems takes 2-3 years before it becomes mainstream.

Obviousily theres a generation leap full of noobs who learnt how to use word on an xp machine and now think they are leet, know everything and vista is 'the worst os ever' .. yeah.. sure..

People are forgetting something very important here and that is that Vista is a resource hog, period. It is a pretty shiny version of xp that has failed to capture the enthusiasts hart. Hence the announcement that ms is releasing a new os in 2010, because this one failed.

We could sit here and bicker but everyone knows that dx10 offers little to no benefits over dx9 it is so early in its life cycle that that comparison is marginal. The people that argue that Vista is a benefit are those people that need to justify to themselves the thousands dollar update they have made and so they dont feel stupid about their ...well, stupidity of adopting an early and failing platform.

But really what i would like to know is what has happened to the UT3 game engine and have they fixed the problem of bullet lag. Now i admit that this will be more noticeable on console gaming than pc gaming but never the less it is still an annoying feature that plagues all ut3 games, and somehow people have forgotten this but yet it is present in all unreal engine games?

Cheers

The Spaz

DX10 doesn't make anything prettier in UT3 unless you count ability to use anti-aliasing with DX10. Epic is using DX10 to optimize a few things such as processing dynamic shadows for better performance. It'll look identical in DX9. The same goes for the PC version of Gears of War.

I ran vista and XP on my machine. The difference in reliability and speed is huge. withing minutes Vista was pissing me off. I decided to bare with it to give it a chance but in 5 days i was back to XP. I had 2.0gig of ram 3.0ghz core 2 and an x1950pro. So i think i a right in saying vista sucks.

I hate to punt the two Vista naysayers who attacked Sienfeld, but he is right. I have had Vista installed as part of my dual-boot system since March and I can tell you that I have had zero issues. Yup, I said it. And no, I don't work for the MS weenies. I will say that just like XP, Vista has had growing pains. Almost all of these pains were actually the fault of 3rd party software programmers NOT being ready for Vista. Any issute I had with Vista was related directly to 3rd party drivers not being available and not related to the bad guys at MS. And yes, you need to have better hardware to run Vista versus what's needed for XP. In my opinion, DX10 alone is worth it. Don't believe me? Just play Bioshock on Vista...WOW! Go ahead Vista haters, stick with XP while I enjoy the full glory of DX10 and DX10.1 :D)

i dual boot vista and XP because i am a gamer and Halo 2 and shadowrun are games and i have all the expensive junk to allow me to use DX10 features for other games that can run in both os's and i have not experienced anything detrimental with vista. i just still like my XP. That being said, I am a PC Technician and sales person at a computer shop and we have buisnesses come to get new machines some of them even wanting to run Vista and we have to sell them XP machines because some accounting pack that they use or stock analyzer has not been made to work on vista yet (the 3rd party company had only what? 2 years to get it all running on vista?) i remember running into this same sort of thing the first two years that XP was on the market half the tech press hated it, and said you only needed windows 98 to play games ect, ect. well now some of the same people who's articles i read then are saying the same thing about XP in relation to Vista as they did about win 98 in relation to XP and i bet that goes all the way back to the first release of dos

DX9, DX10... this Windows vs. Windows War isn't even funny, it's just lame. They claim DX10 can't be ported back to XP? I say, damn liars! As a Win-User I would be ashamed of Microsoft, for lying so blatantly (not about it's Competitors, we are all used to that, but) to it's loyal Customers... happy to have jumped ship years ago.

As for the Vista-Fanboys:
http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/96498
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2183521,00.asp
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2170275,00.asp
http://www.tech-hounds.com/article29/ArticlesPage6.html

Those are News and Comments, I found by chance, I assume you can find much more if you're on the lookout.

And last but not least, the news untold (at least here @TheINQ):
UT3 will be one more real Multiplatform-Game supporting amongst other GNU/Linux:
http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=575669&highlight=Linux#post24968274

Hi All,

Been running vista for some time now and I supply Pc's & Hardware etc to some of the largest Retailers in the ANZ region... Personally I prefer some of the advantages to XP however Vista will fix these in time.

For anyone in the I.T. Industry Vista is here to stay and the next big thing. It generates revenue for the industry and allows us to move forward with a new platform. Get over it... 

And no Charlie and commentors I don't work for Microsoft.

"ITS BAD BAD BAD.People who say otherwise are talking out of their a*se,VISTA IS CRAP FULL STOP"

That's what they said about XP when it came out too.