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Youtube removes shooter's work

Moral high ground or crucial move?
Wednesday, 24 September 2008, 11:10

NOT LONG after the horrific shootings in Kaujahoki yesterday, several videos posted on Youtube by user Wumpscut86, had been removed from the site.

The videos in question show a man shooting a pistol repeatedly and making the threat, "you die next".

The Times has reported that the decision by Youtube was wrong as the videos "did not appear to contravene the site’s rules", which state that, " Graphic or gratuitous violence is not allowed. If your video shows someone getting hurt, attacked, or humiliated, don’t post it. There is zero tolerance for predatory behaviour, stalking, threats or harassment".

So, surely here The Times is wrong, as "you die next" is clearly a threat.

Although it is clear that the man in these videos is not actually hurting someone, or showing displays of violence – the very fact that he threatens, points and shoots towards the viewer would surely be enough to horrify the family of the victims from yesterday's tragedy.

The Times also reports that, in its humble opinion, Youtube has made a moral decision, and is wrestling with its responsibilities.

Here in the UK we’re safe from these videos, as the INQ reported earlier this month that "viewers will be blocked from watching any videos in which weapons are used to intimidate people, once they have been flagged as such".

This move comes after criticism of the site’s policing methods – as Youtube relies on viewers to flag up problems with a clip rather than trawl through the millions of posts themselves.

A spokestube insisted that the new context of the shooting made the original videos posted by Saari unacceptable.

She continued to say that, "Our heart goes out to the families who have lost loved ones in this tragedy. The original videos did not contravene our community guidelines until today's incident, which put them in a new context. They were removed and the account was disabled as soon as we became aware that the user in question may be connected to this incident. µ

L'Inq
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Disabled

Handy that, so he won't be able to post any more vids then.

posted by : Fred Finn, 24 September 2008 Complain about this comment
Existentialist suffering

The first shooting happened less than a year ago when one high-schooler shot his fellow students (and himself). There's no simple explanation, no reason, nothing with which one could grasp this situation. And saying "shit happens" just doesn't cut it.

The first schoolboy went into rampage because he felt no purpose in life, was consumed in suicidal texts and went to "purify" human race of weak people. Social Darwinism at its worst.

Be careful where you get your ethics.

posted by : Markus, 24 September 2008 Complain about this comment
Well done by youtube.

Well done I say. As much as I love freedom of speech, stupid crap like those videos have no purpose. Not artistic, not cultural, no nothing. 

It was about time they put a stop to displays like this video.

posted by : Jose Gomez, 24 September 2008 Complain about this comment
Nutters and guns

You need to keep one of them off the street... Preferably both!

Of course as the NRA says, guns don't kill people... Of course not.. It's just a complete coincidence that in countries where gun ownership is a little more controlled, they don't have students walking about shooting each other. Guess we'll never work out why that is.

posted by : Steve, 24 September 2008 Complain about this comment
He abused his right to shoot

a video

posted by : NRA, 24 September 2008 Complain about this comment
Pleasure vs. Reality

Just to show the media displaying violence for purpose of pleasure or reality is becoming blurry to the side of common sense.

Children [or adults] are not dumb when violence is exposed to them. The media is much as an education tool as much as a teacher.

Violence, older than prostitution, will be here until the politics stemming from the garden of Eden when the Devil presented himself as an alternate choice, will be done away with.

That hope is more real than the learned pleasure of violence offered by the media.

posted by : Phil, 27 September 2008 Complain about this comment
Look at the facts

No in your country where firearm ownership is banned, kids only stab eachother with knives instead. Much better? Get over your hippie utopian idealistic agenda. This story is about the moral standpoint that one company is taking regarding idiots who should not be posting material which is against their sites rules.

posted by : bob, 27 September 2008 Complain about this comment
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