GT200 scores revealed

Just want to make a small correction. The memory bandwidth listed for the cards: GTX280(512bit) and GTX260(448bit)is actually the respective "memory bus type" of each card and not the memory bandwidth.

Since the memory bandwidth is a very good indicator of a GPU's performance I thought it would be good to make this small correction to let the reader(s) get a better idea of the actual numbers.

The memory bandwidth of a GPU can be calculated from its memory clock and memory bus type. So then the calculation for the actual memory bandwidth is as follows (based on the stats given here; which are actually very accurate):

GTX280: 1100x2x512/8=140.8

GTX260: 1000Mx2x448/8=112.0

ATI4870: 1800x2x256/8= 115.2

So the memory bandwidth of a GTX280 is actually 140.8GB/sec & the memory bandwidth of the GTX260 is 112.0GB/sec. The memory bandwidth of the 4870 is 115.2GB/sec which is actually slightly higher then a GTX260.

After the disappointment of Nvidia's 9 GPU series I left the brand for ATi & a few weeks ago (as a new years present to myself :)) I got a 4870. The 4870 is actually a very good card & is very good priced for the performance you're getting (its roughly the same price as the 9800GTX(memory bandwidth of only 70.4GB/sec). I'm personally very happy with the 4870. So far I've been able to run every game that I own on maximum settings.

Just look at the latest toms hardware scores...Ati kicks ass!! GO ATII!!! the 4870 is actually faster than the GTX260 in SLI!! and u will pay less than half the price for one...and if it breaks down who cares...buy another one it still be cheaper!! 
Ive had mine for 6months (gigbyte 4870) now no problems at all!!
Runs every game on a 24" screen (resolution 1920 x 1200) with NO LAG AT ALL!

bugger bugger! Only made 68fps with my 200dollar asus3870 at 1280/1024 medium settings...Still very high settings v-synch and 16Q 
over 25fps average in gpu test 1280/1024 and i aint voltmodding.
could b fun though iff i could beat gtx280 with a mediumrange card and a little voltmode..Think people forget DX10 is different

I got a p5e mobo a e8400 at 3.8ghz.4gb ram and sata2 raid0 and a SINGLE asus hd3870

and if i go medium settings proberly scores higher 1280/1024

I make 30fps+ in DX10 very high set.
and 50+ DX10high settings..and i can prove it

1st of all omar stop being a little biach. crying on how ppl talk. are u being pick on everyday from all the bullies? got nightmares from pplz who talk street bionics? grow up and be a man . u being so hyprocrite i wonder how did u even know what he was saying.,, fags like you wont ever make it in life so you should just shoot yourself. ANYWAYS amd/ati FTW !!!!

Der: its there
Shws: its show

Da: its the

Learn to spell idiot, and dont try to be all gangsta boy, arent you from India? Yeah seen a lot of you kids trying mimic the west and african Americans like me for example.

Get outta here pal, no one likes pretenders, trying being yourself instead, Indians in their own true ways are much more likable and respected.

You are a shame indeed to your people.

On other matters, why is the Inq even caring to post nonsense by that retard named Drashek? Do you guys really like spam?

The reviews are out on the GTX 280 and GTX 260, they arent as impressive as hyped to be, Charlie you must be relieved your diatribe actually worked out for once, but lets just see how the HD 4000s perform now.

Or your going to have us place a live running P4 hot chip on your arse. XD


Will somebody shot or kill that arswipe Drashek?!

hey frnds i knw inq is a bit miffed at nV as dey never invite them to der shws...........!!
also i believe dat neither of d two cards, gt200 or r770 r actually out.......n none of d good hardware sites have reviewed it..........!!!
yeah gt200 has it's share of trouble's.....Hot, low yields, cost......while ati's r770 r speculated to not b d highest end card.......!!
we ll actually come to knw only wen some1 puts dem against each other........

Like HD4850 vs. GTX 260 vs HD4870 vs GTX 280............!!
compare them in some real games.........performance wise, cost wise, Oc wise.............!!
den we can actually decide who wins............!!

Its odd that on every other websites they tell that the 4870 will be mid range and not good as GT200. Only Theinquirer seems to tell that the R700 will be better at lower cost. anyways we should wait real benchmarks before doing anything too fast.

I used 333 Mhz/s as first standard. Thats number used when refering to dirTV Broadcast internal reciever. Its still fairly straight forward, yet digital.

Now with more advanced computer2 on internet2, I see distinct new platform, already well known. DVD/Local portable phone. Its 900 Mhz or so. Not as Radio, as dvd quality interactive multi mix media or higher qual everything, card. 

They go to 900 Mhz/s, yet then back off to 400-600 mhz/s & redo. Here everyone knows gddr3 is hold back, probably by too low internal clock. Try 901.1 Mhz/s Jens.
Drashek

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=432477#post432477

oh no, 4850 with the same test setup didnt perform better then the gt200's.

Humm 280GTX & Crysis :
http://www.benchmark.co.yu/forum/sh
owthread.php?t=164842&page=14

From what we're reading so far, both NV and ati's "next gen" cards are going to be a little bit of a speed bump over an 8800gt/9800tx, which themselves were small speed bumps over the 8800GTX, which is what, 2 years old?

Crysis still has nothing to fear from either company it seems.

"Those scores are hard to believe, seeing as on 1280 3d mark settings i get 19,200 on a 3870x2, q6600@3.8. Yes there's a cpu difference"

It's huge cpu difference, so 280 can add 3000-3500 marks on your quad6600. Then it will be 19k+... not so bad :)

ATI 4850 already on sell at shop (12-Jun) in Hong Kong for only US$210.

Well done AMD/ATI

I think ATI has made a good decision this round. Adding 50% more shaders and dedicated AA units should be able to catch up Nvidia.

Nvidia this time is trying to put too much on the die ends up in yield problems. GT200 should win some memory limited benchmarks in very high resolutions, without DX10.1. This chip would be too hot to have GX2 on 4 slots. Expect an external GX2 box with a dedicated 1000W PSU.

You know what, I would save some money to buy a 4650 and some more gas instead.

I am amazed you never seem to get tired of saying stupid things Charlie. There's a reason Nvidia shut you out: you don't know what you're talking about, you write fantastic lies to make up for it, and consequently you're not a real journalist and not worth their time.

Badrush gift, 48xx et GT2x0 benchs
http://publish.it168.com/2008/0611/20080611033801.shtml

With respect this article appears VERY spiteful and as such comes away looking pretty unconvincing, be it correct or not.


You've got to remember that Charlie is a highly biased journalist. He'll happily jump aboard any evidence - however tenuous - to have a go at Nvidia. Maybe these numbers are true, I don't know, neither does he. I have no idea why the Inq continues to employ him.

Not a GPU war, but a Revolution. The Cell v2 will conquer, crush, and masticate!

Within a year ATI & NV will have priced their top end cards so high for so little real benefit that a multi-thousand dollar Cell solution will make sense.

Notice how the plain od 8800GT, worth less than $200, is no longer shown in all the benchies nor in Tom's comparison charts? It's because the 8800GT is the sweet spot prerformance/price. But then NV doesn't want that to be too obvious.


Hey 'Vas', suck on this link!
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7190573#post7190573

Folks, don't be fooled… the CPU is almost always the 3DMark06 bottleneck at 1280x1024. Simply observe the 1920x1200 score and it's clear these are spectacularly powerful video cards.

And, for additional perspective, a single 8800 Ultra scores in the P6200's when crunching through 3DMark Vantage. The GTX 280 is nearly 70 percent faster. The 9800 GTX scores in the P5800's. The GTX 280 is over 80 percent faster.

And, this does not even begin to explain how well these cards will handle anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering. With 1GB of memory and a full 512-bit interface, one will hardly feel the penalties of increasing each of these features.

These cards are and will continue to be the most powerful single-GPU solution until NVIDIA miniaturizes its process, lowers TDP, and increases clock speeds, widening the gap with its competitors even further.

I'd rather buy that bridge I was offered by a guy on the street than this story.

The current Larrabee silicon is almost 40% faster in 3Dmark. August 12th will be a sad day for NV unless they are sand-bagging.

Charlie sucks donkey schlong and swallows.

I can't take these articles seriously. It's clear that you have something personal against nVidia.

Likey! Wasn't he the Pudlian lead guitarist for The Herpees?
In any case about these Cards, mates, have patience. It takes time to reverse engineer Alien technology. Ooh! Lookie what just tipped up out of the Oort cloud!

Charlie, just do us all a favour and die. I cant believe the INQ posts your 'articles', even for this site they are bad.

"...there will only be a syphilitic trickle of parts on launch."

LOL good thing I wasn't drinking a beverage or else it woulda come out my nose ;)

to the haters: you dont realize that gt200 is essentially a g80 with double shaders and more memory (+bandwidth)
it can only be faster in shader intensive applications and quality settings where you profit from the 1 gb
do you realize how much you are paying for this fricking huge pile of transistors?
since the riva cards, they still dont even stick a decent ramdac onto those $$$ things. try a ATI card once and be amazed that your screen can be something else than blurry
ah yeah, and to people that actually use ati cards it is known that the ati driver problem thing is a myth that nvidia fanboys keep going
sorry, no nvidia card for me as long as ATI makes such great price/performance cards that are nice to my eyes

This article, among other leaked scores, is pretty useless. As Nate said, who cares about 3dMark? We need some straight scores between ATI and Nvidia. Unfortunately, only real reviews after launch can bring them. Everything else is FUD from either Nvidia or AMD.

So here we are. I'd expect Nvidia to whoop ATI's ass in games as usual and then Inq makes 10 articles how good ATI is in 3dMark which is so so so interesting to spend your $600 to.

Yes the inquirer is bit resented to to hear stories of press partners having fun at nVIDIA´s party s while they are at home getting fat, but if you check fudzilla the scores of the ati 4850 are 20% than the 260 and the suggested price below $250. 

Thanks to this nvidia already had to lower their suggested prices by $100, yes performance might be improved, still the inquirer has a point: nvidias costs, die shrink time frame, and voltage are now a problem, imagine next generation.

Yes the inquirer is bit resented to to hear stories of press partners having fun at nVIDIA´s party s while they are at home getting fat, but if you check fudzilla the scores of the ati 4850 are 20% than the 260 and the suggested price below $250. 

Thanks to this nvidia already had to lower their suggested prices by $100, yes performance might be improved, still the inquirer has a point: nvidias costs, die shrink time frame, and voltage are now a problem, imagine next generation.

I've compared some results in different articles through the web and for sure, the GTX will be faster overall, but by a much smaller margin than before, it's price/performance ratio it's gonna suck, low yields, high power consumption and heat dissipation, high price, definitively nVidia blowed up this one, and the HD 4870X2 will spank badly the GTX 280, thanks to nVidia's leading performance and arrogance of making a new line of GPU's with rehashes of the previous generation, ATi finally fixed their R600 performance which now can be seen in their new RV770 line of GPU's, it's all over again, the story repeat itself.

I have been buying NV graphics cards for many years after ATI dropped the ball on me. Yes NV tanked with the 5X00 series but they recovered on the next generation.

I am somewhat surprised by them falling into a hole that appears they cannot (will not) climb out of.

For the first time in many years Im thinking of an ATI GPU for my next purchase. NV appears to be inbreeding itself out of existence, they are arrogant and they have forgotten it is the consumer who buys their product.

What a choice I will have for the future - Larrabee or ATI??

Revised pricing on these parts appears to be $399 for 260, and $499 for 280. I would have assumed you had this information.....

AMD did something right? Whoa, this could get interesting fast.

Hopefully proper CPUs follow quickly so that AMD could have a platform with a clear upgrade path.

http://publish.it168.com/diy/showBigPic.asp?cDocid=20080611033801&picid=1040491.jpg

Inquirer is the clown of the internet

Why test with SP1 on WinXP? Or did you mean some other OS?

When I saw the header for this article, I just knew it was The Inquirer's Nvidia hate boy who wrote it and sure enough. See, the problem is Charlie, you're so biased and so wrong so often that when you write these articles, they end up meaning almost nothing to people who visit here enough to be in the know. Either way, as "crappy" as you want to call it, it will still beat DAAMIT's 4870 and Big N's own previous cards and I'd hardly call matching the performance of a previous gen dual GPU card a loss. I'm buying one at launch simply because I want to replace my 8800GTX and ATI's drivers are, as always, eternally broken.

I believe you said the R600 would smoke the G80, it didn't. It turned out to be an underpowered flop that consumed way too much power. 

I believe that you also said that the RV670 would end up faster than it's G92 competitor. The G92 you said would be too hot and power hungry as well.

So what the chance that you're going to be right on this one? My guess is that the GTX280 will end up faster than the HD 4870X2 in most games, although I could see it winning in 3DMark, which means nothing to me.

just 15.000? I think I have seen many of that score with previous generation (Geforce 9800). Can this new Geforce at least twice or more???

So the cycle of life is once again reinforced through evidence.

Unless, of course, DAMMIT fails to deliver.

:)

I'd like to see a comparable benchmark run with the same CPU speed on a 9800GX2 in 3D Mark 2006 at 1920x1200 with and without 8xAA i'm sure the higher resolution performance is alot better on the GT200 series, which is significant since the people that will be buying these will be running them on 24" monitors most likely.

So Inquirer, gonna indulge us? :)

Those scores are hard to believe, seeing as on 1280 3d mark settings i get 19,200 on a 3870x2, q6600@3.8. Yes there's a cpu difference, but this doesnt sway 3dm06 alot.

Maybe nvidia are leaking these to make ati feel comfortable, and will unlock extra with their first driver? who knows.