OUR TAIWANESE friends advise us of the impeding announcement of the first three AMD Phenom mainstream quad core CPUs: the 2.2GHz 9500, the 2.3GHz 9600, both 95W parts, and the 2.4GHz 9700, a 125W TDP bin. There's no mention of any PhenomFX high end thingies there yet, you'll notice.
These newbies all support the critical new features, like 3-level cache, HT 3.0, DDR2-1066 as well as superfine overclock tuning, core-by-core, through the AMD Overdrive applet.
In memory-only benchmarks, the new Phenoms will still score up to double the Sandra and Everest scores compared to non-overclocked midrange Yorkfields, but everything else, our sources say, will still be slightly faster on the Intel units.
That's why, for now, AMD is only comparing their newest CPUs against the age-old Intel Q6600 low-end 2.4 GHz Kentsfield, with more or less matched results - at least in the presentation they are supposed to show to the world one week from now.
Interestingly, you notice the 30 per cent TDP extra for just four per cent added clock speed when going from Phenom 9600 to the 9700, a TDP which sounds like the one for Intel's 3.2 GHz Harpetown Xeon! Does it mean AMD had to pump up the jam, i.e. factory-overclock to the limit at least on voltage, to get the 2.4 GHz bin? Don't expect that much of overclock margin in that case - only the best water cooling will do to come close to full 3GHz on all four cores. And even then, not on many parts. It would also explain the lack of even faster PhenomFX parts on these slides.
So, unlike the previous iterations where high-end, high-margin parts came out first, AMD will this time have to fight in the mainstream, where Intel's lower production costs mean that Phenom 9700 could face a similarly low-priced Yorkfield 9550, able to run far higher than its baseline 2.66 GHz, FSB1333 settings.
Now, without the 2.6 GHz 'big brother' Phenom FX around, the flagship Phenom 9700 will have to fight in the same around $ 300++ price bracket at low-end and some midrange Yorkfields; not exactly a massive profit earner like Intel's new high end entries at $ 1K price bracket, where most of the production is pre-sold to the likes of Apple, Dell, HP and Sun, not to mention "the little ones", enthusiast outfits like OCZ, BioHazard or Vadim, who solely rely on top-end parts for their living.
So, AMD is trying to push the "platform bundle" package: please buy a Phenom, plus a matching 790FX chipset mobo, plus two or three (or why not four?) HD3800 series GPUs, and AMD can finally make some money on the whole platform, comparable to what Intel makes just on their 45 nm CPU. This is why we need competition, folks - Intel is performing too well in the past 18 months, thanks partly to AMD too.
But yeah, 2.4 GHz Phenom 9700 still is a good value-for-money part - if you stick with AMD and have some good DDR2 DIMMs around, yet don't exactly need absolutely highest performance or overclocking, it is worth considering on an even footing against Intel's lower-end Yorkfields. So, AMD, please pump up the jam for real this time, we want to see the true performer, PhenomFX, soon! ยต
I was originally going to build with an AMD Quad core.. but ended up with a 6000+ (AM2 @ 3.0 Ghz).. this some months ago.

It doesn't feel right to *upgrade* to a lower clocked part.. so ill probably wait it out until some atleast 3.4 Ghz Quad or Tri cores turn up.. but with the slow pace AMD is going at this seems like Ill probably have to wait for an AM3 part.
This is getting a little out of hand. AMD has just kept pushing back deadlines for their products, and doesn't really seem to care that they're falling so far behind in the clock or die-size race. AMD quality is still there, it's just really slow-going.

I too bought an X2 6000+ about 3 months ago. The whole AM2+ platform was supposed to be out by then, according to their roadmap from last year around this time.

I dunno, I've been an AMD fanboy since the T-Birds came out. Hopefully the 790FX chipset and the Phenoms don't fail to impress, or I'll be looking elsewhere (lol maybe VIA and their "green" processor)
I agree with the first two posters. Even though the War of the Megahertz is losing steam, we need, or more specifically, AMD needs to pump it up. I've been running 2.2ghz in my computers for a couple years now and I require a dramatic increase in speed/per $ to justify an upgrade. Extra cores only go so far, and multi threaded apps are still not as common as they ought to be. 

As much as I like reading about overclocking, (of which feats I find awesome like the 4ghz 5000+), and the kind of cooling I put in a system supports it, I don't do it, I want lots of speed at factory settings. The extra cooling is just for increased stability and lifetime of my investment. AMD would do well to finally keep that 3ghz barrier cleared and put 2ghz to rest on Semprons.
I'd believe the spiel about " a massive profit earner like Intel's new high end entries at $ 1K price bracket" if we saw that miraculously the high end chips sold in "massive" unit volumes!
heh heh....mathematics....tends to trip up imaginative stuff.
Why are you guys complaining about low clocks when it's obvious that K10 has much more power/clock than K8 and possibly more than Core 2?
Do these use HT3? Because if it was used to its maximum spec of 2.6GHz they'd be in the embarrassing position of having the bus faster than the CPU clock...
...AMD Motherboard-wise, its obvious now that the AMD chipset guys (790FX, ...), and the AMD (multicore)GPU guys are way ahead of the AMD CPU guys. so I guess its just a matter of time before the Phenom's catch-up.