US military propaganda team busted

So if anyone rights anything negative about gitmo thats ok, but anything positive is bad propaganda?

I think it's funny how they used an entire internet gateway to point the finger at specific people on a military base.

Ever think there could be others there that are using that gateway who are just screwing around, or they just hate Fidel Castro, or they see the good in Gitmo and comment about it online, etc.?

I'll bet you anything that if you look at how many diggs, wiki edits, etc. that come out of, say, satx.rr.com, or cox.net, you'll find much more incriminating stuff.

This story is useless anti-U.S. Military propaganda. If you want to blast the U.S. Military, there are plenty of other more valid (or at least less obviously pants) reasons to do it. Finding shady stuff coming from their internet gateway isn't hardly enough evidence to prove anything.

Telling visiting journalists that they're actually looking at Castro's prisons where he locks up librarians and other pro-democracy dissidents so they'll lose interest.

... is given in this "proof" to the Gitmo folks. Given the track record of American attempts a positive propaganda, it seems more likely that MoveOn.org turned a Gitmo computer into a zombie and used it to plant the "evidence."

One needs to be wary of trusting "electonic trails" - they lead only to the ether(net).

What about all the usefull information they've tortured, er extracted, from the inmates there to fight the GWOT? Oh that's right, there is none. What about all the terrorists that have been exposed there and sentenced for their crimes? Oh, that's right, there are none.

Guantanamo is a happy place full of joyful guards and prisoners who are happy to finally be rid of the shackles of freedom, habeus corpus or human rights. It is a necessary place because, as you well know, the u.s. is in imminent danger of attack and they must do eveything they can to prevent it. [/irony]

...that there are some people smart enough to see through this.

To Kasey D.
"Finding shady stuff coming from their internet gateway isn't hardly enough evidence to prove anything."

You really sound like the RIAA.

It's almost as if some of these people are commenting on this article aswell... or maybe it's just fascist americans sticking up for there countries disgusting behaviour.

"So if ANYONE rights ANYTHING negative about gitmo thats ok, but ANYTHING positive is bad propaganda?"

Using superlatives and so many of them in one sentace boot when commenting on a topic tends to give those comments less credibility. Very few things are ANYONE, ANYTHING, EVERYTHING, ALWAYS, etc. People tend to automatically turn off to comments that use superlatives.

Mr. B stated " It's almost as if some of these people are commenting on this article aswell... or maybe it's just fascist americans sticking up for there countries disgusting behaviour."

Thanks for the "us vs. them" attitude, for one. Two: I have no serious beefs with other individuals from different nations, but when someone walks into a conversation and says that I live under a “fascist rule” and anything that my nation does is considered “disgusting behaviour” its rather aggravating. Three: learn to spell, (off subject) it always seems that Americans are always bashed for not having an education (and please note that we have our share of f*ckin idiots). Lets reflect on that for a moment. “aswell” = as well “americans” = Americans “behaviour” = behavior (unless it’s a language conversion/slang then I appolagize) 

And for last Mr. B harsh generalizations are inappropriate and on a professional level unheard of so please step up to the plate and lets have a shot at an adult conversation.

As an American born and raised in Oregon, now living in Idaho. I can say with the utmost confidence that I have never met anyone with the same view as those first few posters. Whether it's propaganda or just the internet breeding more whack offs, that's your call. Just know the majority of American's are not in favor of much (if anything) that comes with the GWOT.

Looking at the suspect i.p. address' list of edits it seems this "propaganda team" was working hard to distort information on Korean cartoons, American Football, Roller Coasters, comic book super-villains, pokeman...the list goes on and on. 

I'm sure they were working hard to remove anything that might embarass the U.S. Military from these critical national security subjects. 

Either that or the whole thing is a non-story about someone with no official agenda making changes on a wide variety of subjects that just happened to include gitmo. Changes that they believed increased the accuracy of the articles they were editing.

Hmmm.. Kasey D is on the job:

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\MrTrustworthy>tracert 130.22.187.52




Tracing route to kaseyd.private.jtfgtmo.southcom.mil [130.22.187.52]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1 

2 162 ms 146 ms 17 ms rd1bb-ge5-0-0-13.vc.shawcable.net [64.59.159.194] 

3 20 ms 121 ms 105 ms rc1bb-pos15-0-0.vc.shawcable.net [66.163.69.121] 

4 35 ms 15 ms 13 ms rc1wt-pos4-0-0.wa.shawcable.net [66.163.76.126] 

5 138 ms 138 ms 12 ms sl-gw12-sea-10-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.224.113.65] 

6 178 ms 12 ms 11 ms sl-bb21-sea-4-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.6.123] 

7 129 ms 135 ms 104 ms 144.232.9.114 

8 17 ms 14 ms 11 ms sea-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.26.81] 

9 105 ms 16 ms 89 ms ewr-edge-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.17.10] 
10 117 ms 86 ms 89 ms public.jtfgtmo.southcom.mil [130.22.190.5]
11 102 ms 27 ms 89 ms kaseyd.public.jtfgtmo.southcom.mil [130.22.187.52]

Hmmm.. Kasey D is on the job, he posted with IP 130.22.187.52:

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\MrTrustworthy>tracert 130.22.187.52




Tracing route to kaseyd.private.jtfgtmo.southcom.mil [130.22.187.52]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1 

2 162 ms 146 ms 17 ms rd1bb-ge5-0-0-13.vc.shawcable.net [64.59.159.194] 

3 20 ms 121 ms 105 ms rc1bb-pos15-0-0.vc.shawcable.net [66.163.69.121] 

4 35 ms 15 ms 13 ms rc1wt-pos4-0-0.wa.shawcable.net [66.163.76.126] 

5 138 ms 138 ms 12 ms sl-gw12-sea-10-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.224.113.65] 

6 178 ms 12 ms 11 ms sl-bb21-sea-4-0-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.6.123] 

7 129 ms 135 ms 104 ms 144.232.9.114 

8 17 ms 14 ms 11 ms sea-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.26.81] 

9 105 ms 16 ms 89 ms ewr-edge-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.17.10] 
10 117 ms 86 ms 89 ms public.jtfgtmo.southcom.mil [130.22.190.5]
11 102 ms 27 ms 89 ms kaseyd.public.jtfgtmo.southcom.mil [130.22.187.52]

I don't buy it, even the army knows what a proxy server is and how to hide themselves

LPF and Kasey D, we're watching you...

Typical propaganda tactic, to turn the grammar around to divert attention from the topic at issue: "Oh, you say we're doing stuff? Well, I think you're the one that's doing stuff, so there!"

Juvenile. And useless. No one believes your fairy tales anymore.

They got the trail, and it all came through milnet. Just how transparent do you think the defense network is? You expect joe public to think that moveon.org runs a hacker sweatshop capable of back-loading the feeds from gitmo? Why don't they just plug into the surveilance net, and post the videos on YouTube, if they have such godlike powers of hackery?

Think of some more believable lies. Please.

"Finding shady stuff coming from their internet gateway" is the real issue, and is ABSOLUTELY evidence enough to prove that someone on that end is doing what wikileaks said they were doing (and probably still are doing, considering your own timely denial).

Ok, so my dad was in the military and all, but seriously, many of you who have posted are just shooting the messenger. It goes to show the stigma attached to institutional analysis. This story is not "anti-military propaganda" (it doesn’t get much more reductionist than that; someone points out a negative, but true aspect of a respected foundation of American pride and suddenly they’re anti-American – it’s pervasive I tells ya…possibly a result of a 95% + far right-wing conservative media ownership – as in editors, not reporters) as much as I respect the military -- something of which is vital to a nation that is aware of the possible hostile intentions of foreign governments, but is typically (post-WWII) used for imperialist ambitions-- I recognize this story is in fact “anti-disinformation and lies propaganda.” 

Whether or not someone besides the military was in fact using this gateway (public.jtfgtmo.southcom.mil) simply to screw around, is beside the point. The fact is, the situation in Iraq is a result of bad intelligence and/or a desire to setup a strategic strong-hold in the middle of a resource/oil rich region. As much as this benefits corporate fascism, many innocent people have paid the price. 

We should strive as a nation for honesty and honest observations –and not be filled with fear and hate by them -- rather than continually find ways to pump up the United States’ collective ego. This may be the only way the human species can continue evolving and possibly one day overcome its more animalistic predatory phase. 

I’m taking this way out of context. Let me rephrase everything I just wrote. Ehm, [thick southern drawl] “yea,this website ain’t nothing’ but just another liberal media organizashun spreading the homosexual agenda…” [beer belch]

The beer belch was real. 

“Merrrrryy Christmas ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho” <~~~ Santa with A.D.D.

I blame the snorting of cocaine for the breakdown in sanity.... as they cannot even disinform credibly nowadays. Hi and away with the fairies makes them easy prey to AIMuch More Astute Class of NEUKlearer Virtual Reality.

Just another example of how the US has changed (not fot the good). I bet the money for those people came out of the "War on Terror" fund. You cannot have the public knowing the truth, that would change everything wouldnt it.

I'm a fascist and I'm out to eat you!!! 

Que maniacal laughter...

If you go onto Wikipedia and actually look at what was changed, the IP added the Castro comment, then the same IP removed it from the article THREE MINUTES LATER. I love how people will blame an entire military because one clown posted something "not nice" then removed it before anyone noticed. I guess when you look at the world with those blind eyes, Americans really are evil...

Speaking as a Wikipedian ... we tend to find that if there's edits pushing a given view coming from an organisation's IP range, it's generally individual employees working in sincere if misguided enthusiasm rather than any organised marketing or propaganda push. Most organisations really aren't that organised.

It's a broader version of conspiracy theory - the wish to believe that bad things happening in the world are because someone wants to do evil, than mostly because humans are fuckups by nature.

Hmmmm
So if anyone rights anything negative about gitmo thats ok, but anything positive is bad propaganda?

posted by : LPF, 14 December 2007 

If the positive propaganda is lie then it is bad. The truth is not and I mean not alway positive. The truth about gitmo is negative and not much positive. So much, if not all the positive propaganda about gitmo is a lie period.

It is well known (or should be) that Guantanamo Bay is a laboratory for developing (proven useless) vicious torture techniques against supposed terrorists (often harmless farmers) in breach of international human rights and fair legal representation. Guantanamo Bay is a propaganda prop to deceive the US public into thinking that the US government is competent (not) and doing something effective against terrorism (not), it probably does more to cause terrorism than stop it!
I should be demolished and all implicated parties throw in jail i.e. George Bush, complicit senior white house staff, complicit Generals and supervising military officers.