BPI bites back at Talk Talk

When that bastion of instability variously known as a screw, nut or even the self-declared blank know-it-all called “a human being”, starts making declarations, you can be sure of one thing, and that is greed & fear, also known as guilt & anger, is lurking somewhere driving the fantasist. Why? Because when Confidence, also known as Truth, starts exuding, there will be nothing left standing. That’s when the End has finally arrived. Meaning, O’ veiled spouter? Meaning that when one is Truthful, one NEVER [has the need to] talk about others. He always talks about himself first. Judgement is always about oneself and never for others for when you start judging others, you are mere after others’ property, be it emotional, material or intellectual. When you know about yourself, and we are not talking about the size of one’s organs, wallet, greed, [you know the rest], you won’t have the need to know about others. Confidence is for others to reflect from and not for possessing. Cruetly is about possessing and Subtlety is about being possessed.

That’s how, after realising your true infrastructure, you’ll know where idiocy or lunacy is coming from. The momonet they start expressing their organs to achieve “goals”. Usually about being denied their justification for this and that, As such, when a screw or a nut starts “mechanising”, you know their greed/fear, anger/guilt, idiocy/lunacy is at work and work they do, always form some imaginary self-righteous position and they’ll whine all the way from cunningness, connivance, cruelty/rights through to others’ subtlety/wrongs and more. And they’ll hint at their morality [which is amorality to them for they have really no morals, just the armoury within idiocy & lunacy].

To justify, meaning to possess, is the mother of all idiocy, anger, and to accept judgement, meaning to trust the idiot’s anger and beoming guilty, is the means for all anger for anger is merely the other face of guilt. There is no such thing as a justifiable anger without guilt starting the wheel spinning first. Which deluded screw or nut accepts that “Digital Rights” is a reality. A relativity, yes. It’s ALL about using poodle economics, politics, commerce and the judiciary to enforce the topdogs’ constant craving for more. Why? Because it’s an addiction and addiction is the inability to deny that which is devolutionary. Have another drink, smoke, playing with your fantasy, followed by a quick swing to being “goddish”, demonising, disciplining, pope-ing … [you know the rest] and whaaayyyyy, back to some drugging, whoring, yachting, sophisticating …..

Only when a person has arrived at and then opens the “door” of Truth, can he then decides whether he is for Evolution or Devolution. A human has no means of judging himself or others until he acquires the discriminatory powers of Awareness, The Magic Bullet [which is the freedom to construct and not merely the power to discriminate, the carpet bomber, whose idea of freedom is to be enslaved by his own destruction], which is a gift and not a possession. For that to happen, he must first realise what balance really means and not just believing/worshipping or disbelieving/denying. A thought rises from the future, stops briefly in the present, and then drifts off to become the past. Between the future & the past therefore resides Balance. Something which Nature does every moment but which that great lump of moralising/finger-pointing, Desire/The-Kinetic or Demand/The=Potential, the loose nut or screw, never, ever, does. Humans are either past-“istic” or futuristic. Perpetual income? Dream on for Relativities are always a double-edged sword. You wanna the free-grab, take some poison too.

liar pants on fire.

He lies so well you'd think he believes it...

This is getting really silly now. Holding the supplier of a service or the manufacturer of a product responsible for educating customers on inappropriate use of that service/product is just dumb. 

Or if it isn't, I would like Ginsters to educate consumers how not to insert delicious pasties into the rectums of complete strangers, and Belkin to advise people on the negative social impact of using KVM cables to throttle mid-management.

It would make just as much sense.

Isn't it funny that that rewards for the "creatives" who create the music are so much lower than the rewards for the accountants, middlemen, distributors, stores and suits that sit between them and the customer.

I think the example of the Futureheads, who recently stated that on a major label they got €0.25c per album, vs. €8.00 by releasing it themselves, only goes to prove the point.

Long live the BPI and its fair, balanced, and above all, *useful* counterparts the world over.

the tittle says it all ...

get a fair deal fore our content creators ... oh please pull the other one its got bells on it.

If the record industry wernt so greedy we would never be in this situation.

One day they might get it that they need to evolve like there market has.

There must be a Phorm link here somewhere ... 

You'd no more expect an ISP to start booting off their customers based in the BPI's "information" than you'd expect the police to start taking away driving licences because Mothers Against Speeding stood on a street corners writing down number plates.

There is a legal framework for getting user's personal info in order to start legal action, but the BPI wants to circumvent the courts because they know such action is expensive, and their "evidence" is laughable.

All in the same weeks that the head of EMI says that suing your customers is bad for business.

No amount of red tape can stop the internet. From the first time someone transfered files from one computer to another there has been ways to pirate. Its nothing new and the industries that claim its killing off their business are lying. Movies and Music have been on back alley BBS and FTPs since the beginning and will continue to be there.

Free the net! Net Neutrality for me!

The BPI are pursuing this for the sake of the industry, not solely the creators. Its a money thing. The government is backing them on this as they also benefit from more a profitable music industry. But why isnt the governemnt forcing ISPs to ban illegal porn etc? Clearly because it will not increase their revenue. I am not against the principal of the BPI trying to protect its profits (though its means are questionable), nor am I against the government for trying to increase its coffers and also reduce piracy. But both should be transparent about their motives and the Governemnt in particular should justify why it is placing this as a higher priority that online child abuse etc.

Geoff, HOW are you finding out who is downloading what, out of the whole entire internet?

How do you go about finding their active internet connections, and then packet capturing them, and then analyising the packet contents*, and presenting this evidence to the ISPs alongside passive and active fingerprinting of the users account details?

-How can they be sure you aren't just passing them a list of details of people you don't like - logs of that type are easily faked, especially if they're just printed out or sent in an e-mail.
They'd have to check it themselves, in realtime.

That takes a HUGE amount of time and effort, costly hardware, and computer security experts who'd be very well paid - and how many people will you catch, and how many of them would buy the albums now that you caught them, seeing they'll presumably have even less money because they'll need to pay for another 18 months sub. on a different ISP to get back online.

Phonographic.....whilst there are now the means to copy vinyl digitally as well, I recall when the various companies and major sellers went into cahoots to ensure the death of vinyl in favor of CD, and there were plenty of warnings then as to digital meaning 'easily copied'.

Might I suggest - providing a digital sampling that is actually near to a good analogue sound, have the hardware patented and only sold to publishers, and sell the originals at a fair rate (CDs = massively overpriced remember: official surveys found that out).
That could even be done using a PGP type of key - so it downloads but only uncompresses with the right key on the other end. Similar things could be used to prevent it being copied.

At any rate - any recorded music, even live through electrics, sounds terrible in comparison to acoustic instruments - the whole thing's a compromise on the ear. "Luckily" most people are denied the pleasure of hearing live vocals and real instruments played properly, so they can't draw comparisons.

*are you like capturing one packet out of the whole file transfer, and comparing its contents digitally to copies of the music to see if all the bytes match up, in a rough area of the track where the packet number would best guess be at?!

title says it all
"BPI are only in this to get money". That's pretty much the point of them, to protect the incomes of the music biz. That they wish to fulfil their purpose should not be worth comment. And I missed the part that says you're allowed to break the law if you've decided you don't like the business model of the people you're ripping off.

Only the commenter talking about the evidence has any kind of sensible concern (although he concentrated on interception of data - tricky and with privacy issues - and missed the easier way of simply joining a torrent swarm and seeing what IPs offer you data) and that's all it is - a concern, something that needs more data. At the end of the day, two slaps on the wrist followed by having to find a new ISP isn't in the RIAA-sued-my-children category is it?

This has goten out of hand. Next it will become illelge to play music out loud.

The artisit and all his people (middle men)are to get paid every time the song is played any where is that where this is going.

Next you will band any recording device. I can still record music off the radio (I may have to pay to just to hear the radio these days) and then i have broken the law if i paly it? or if i post it? So should we stop the radio stations form play it because i can record it.

Where will any of this end, when will they have enough money for the one song. Maybe they should split the money up more so the artist, label, manger,distributor, raodey, crew, patent holder, CD player makers, ISP's, Law enforcment, who esle am i missing. I guess you get the point.

Is getting to be where you start driving your customer away or locking them up all for the mighty dollar. the Music industry is doing it and now they are trying to speard it to the ISP, Movies, Cable and phone companys. Where is it going to stop, when every body just stops buying anything because he can't play it on anything because of the DRM's. 

If i buy something today i would thing i should be able to play it tomorrow. But my ablums collect dust, if i copy them you will say i broke the law. My 8 track tape no longer work, my casetes kind of work but sound bad, my CD's are on they way out, DRM is here and if i buy something chances are it will not paly in the furture and i will have to buy it again or forget about it.

So why do you think people are share music. Why are we copying it from older formats into the current format without DRM. Because you are trying to stop us from playing music without paying each time we paly it.

The rules they make are pushing use all into this way of life.

Frymaster said:

>And I missed the part that says you're allowed
>to break the law if you've decided you don't
>like the business model of the people you're
>ripping off.

The question is not what is "allowed", it's what people are actually doing.

A "revolution" is what happens when people cast off an accepted social order and embrace a new one. By definition, all revolutions are illegal, since they violate the existing laws. But that doesn't stop them happening.

That's what's happening now.

Geoff Taylor: Tell it to the PC software industry.

Did you guys know that Adobe Photoshop gets pirated?

The reason content providers are in this situation is that they refused to adapt their outdated business models to new technologies. Instead of investing in new ways to get their product to market they chose to stick with their existing business models. Now that decision is coming back to bite them in the ass. Companies like Amazon and Apple tried new business model's and they are succeeding because they weren't afraid to take chances. 

Even now the BPI, IFPI, RIAA, MPAA, etc... continue resist change. Why should another company (or government) step in to ensure their survival? Every successful business I've ever known has found ways to get their products into the hands of consumers. If you can't do this then your business will not succeed. They fail for two reasons: first, they refuse to take advantage of the technology available to them and second, they refuse to listen to the market. Consumers want a fast,convenient and easy way to get content. Name one successful industry owned and operated website where you can get a record or movie as simply as you can through P2P?