AMD prepares DX10.1 part for AGP computers

I've been waiting quite sometime for Silent AGP 2600XT's. I saw there were lots of press releases back in June/July from many companies saying they were going release 2600's on AGP. I saw pictures of a AGP HIS 2600XT with IceQ cooling, this looked perfect for me, but I can't seem to find them anywhere.

For the last couple of month's there seem to have been only 2600 pro's available from Gecube and Sapphire, and these look a little hard to find. (In the UK). 

In the last couple of weeks I've seen a AGP 2600XT available (A Sapphire one from overclockers.co.uk).

This news that R670 is going to AGP as well is good but how much availabilty will there be, and how much choice of brands? time will tell I suppose

Finally AMD can give me something useful. Last upgrade to my P4 478 system to get me through, then late next year I'll start my Bloomfield build. I've built 1 C2D and 2 C2Q so far and it has been very tempting to do my own.

The 2600XT AGP is only half as powerful as the X1950 Pro AGP (never mind the HIS overclocked versions) . Why does the 2600XT receive so much praise ? For the DX10 sticker ? 

Let's be a little more realistic here and expose the truth : that the 2600XT is not the most powerful AGP solution now but only an alternative way to reach potential AGP customers by using the DX10 Sticker Strategy .

Have a nice day !

Its getting back up! Kill it!

*fires the obsolescent gun at it*

In all honesty though, how many machines with an AGP bus (excluding particular late model "agp upgrade" boards) are going to be CPU bound in most respects with one of these?

Damage.inc

Im not too suprised to learn that the whole Nvidia AGP 8x series has AGP problems.

Do does ATI.

How do I know this?

Look at the release notes for the last two releases of Radeon drivers - they admit they will crash the AGP cards. In fact, the latest version will too, ATI isnt admitting this too readily. In reality, AGP cards from ATI have been buggy as hell, there is a huge issue with them. Most of the fixes revolve around limiting the AGP bus speed to 4x. Simply doing what ATI recommends - use an older driver (v7.7 to be exact), results in very low frame rates, less than half of what the latest Radeon drivers give - before they crash. And yes Virginia, I know Guru3d has released their own "Omega" drivers bases on the Radeon 7.10 that claim to fix the "AGP problem". They help, they are better than ATI's, but they are not a "slam-dunk" - I still had to lower my AGP bus speed to 4x. But it works now - and my frame rates are simply marvelous - about 2.5x the frame rate of what I get when running Radeon 7.7. This is running World of Warcraft, not exactly an unpopular 3D game.

They can't even get ttheir DX 10 AGP cards to work now let alone dx 10.1.. wtf. they need to learn how to write proper drivers first instead of creating new hardware...... this bites.. they need to fix the issue with the 2600 agp's first.

Osmosium, if you want to run the 7.10 drivers and run at full 8x AGP, then all you have to do is replace the ati3duag.dll file in the 7.10 drivers with the ati3duag.dll from the 7.7 drivers. Worked like a charm and you get all the benefits of the OpenGL tweaks without the crashes.

I don't have any problems with my X800XT AGP card. It's an old card yes but it gets the job done.

Even played Crysis last night without a problem.

Don't know why you get crashed with the Catalyst drivers. I've been playing day in and day out and I've never and mean NEVER had a single BSOD crash since I purchased my ATI card.

This can't be said when I was a nVIDIA hore. I got crashes constantly.

Any chance of an AGP flavored 3870?

I've got an old D875PBZ/3.4Ghz/4GB box with a cooked 7800gs sitting in the closet that could sure use a little DX10 love...

I've got to say, what's the use of a DX10 AGP part ?
I mean, Vista is very probably not going to run at all on a CPU that still sits on an AGP motherboard, and for the moment DX10 is still Vista-only (I know some guys made DX10 work on XP, but it's not an official install).
So DX10 is for Vista and Vista does not run on AGP.
Unless . . . unless that means that Microsoft is going to cave in and admit that DX10 can very well be put on XP ?

I don't know where you get the idea that Vista won't run on an AGP based system. Let alone one with a DX10 certified Video Card.

I'm currently using an AGP board )Abit AV8) and an AMD 939 4600X2 CPU. It runs 2GB of DDR400 and a Gainward 7800GS Silent Bliss + Video Card with 512MB DDR3. It's Vista score is 4.8 - where the bottleneck is the RAM. 

The video score for gaming under Vista ...?

5.9 :-)

CPU score? 5.2

Not bad for a stock clocked AGP system running Vista Ultimate. 

Don't believe the hype - AGP is far from dead and I use this machine everyday for gaming - and I mean WoW, FEAR, BF2142. All at either max or closer to max settings on my 22" widescreen. 

I'm not saying that they should be making new AGP boards by any stretch of the imagination but when I compare my machine to the ones I have built for my friends (running 8800 series cards, SLi etc) the price to upgrade is still far too much considering the actual fact my machine plays just fine for now :-)

What an bunch of crap. Vista runs AGP boards just fine. A DX10 AGP card won't be any different.

C2D's & X2 dual-core processors are more than capable of pushing an ATI Radeon HD 3850 AGP graphics card.

There are still people out there with strong AGP setups. Why should they not be able to enjoy DX10 as well? You act as if you are not going to have any PCI-e selections left because of this.

I'm all for these cards. This is good for gaming. The tens of thousands of gamers who don't have the extra cash to completely upgrade their systems to PCI-e can continue to play with acceptable frame rates. Not to mention the DX10 eye candy.

Pascal Monett, you need to stop talking about things you have no comprehension of.
I have two computers with combo slots of AGP and PCI-E on the same board.
Both computers run a X1950PRO AGP and they both run Windows Vista, XP, and Linux with no lock ups, no crashes and no driver problems. They run flawlessly except for Vista which constantly wants to be a resource hog all the time. I really don't see what is so great about Vista. 
I believe Vista is one of the biggest flops next to Windows ME that Bill Gates thought up. If you enjoy having to close out about 20 TSR programs in Vista before you even begin to play a game, well, I guess you have a lot of time to waste, I DON'T....
As for the AGP Slot being slow and aging, The Slot is not aging at all or slow. On my ASROCK 939Dual-VSTA, my AGP X1950PRO runs 5 frames faster then my PCI-E X1950PRO at the 16X speed and the AGP card never pauses like the PCI-E does all the time.
As for the PCI-E version being cheaper then the AGP version, well, you get what you pay for.
Maybe people will learn that you have to setup the AGP in BIOS first, then install the AGP GART and last, the Video Card driver.

I have 4200+ dual core s.939 2g ram, AGP R9550. Vista runs really well. Just my 3d is out of date. An AGP upgrade will do it for me!

ignoring gaming performance an AGP version is great news for people looking to use their older PCs to play HD content since these new cards support hardware decoding of HD video :-)

I have an "old" S939 Dual Core X2 (Manchester) 4600+ CPU in a VIA K8T800Pro chipset board. I think it's enough to RV670 based card. It would be better a HD3870 or HD3850 OC, because I want to play at 1680x1050 (native resolution). I think VIA chipset is better the any kind of Nforce..

I run Vista on a Athlon XP 3200 with a ATI 9800 AIW PRO with no problems. Well except screen artifacts which seem like copy protection. Only a 1GB of RAM.