Nvidia chipsets are defective too

NVidia hate-fest is well underway..

Inquirer, you really need to distance yourself from this Charlie idiot, before he brings a big lawsuit your way for libel...

Charlie, you are a complete f***ing idiot. Pretty much all of your 'articles' are about how terrible and faulty and awful nvidia is. They are useless garbage and complete speculation. Just because a company is changing its solder or die process does not mean all parts before are "defective".

You violated Nvidia's NDA and it punished you for it (by refusing to deal with you anymore, no more samples) and now you are desperately trying to take revenge by gradually trying to destroy their reputation through the Inquirer. You should be fired because in a process you are discrediting pretty much the entire Inquirer. Constantly spreading lies and flinging baseless accusations (that the rest of "internet news" will later pick up on and parrot back) will only backfire in the long run; first on you personally and then on the Inquirer, for they become guilty of helping spread FUD by keeping a "reporter" with a very clear personal vendetta.

Stop this nonsense.

Yet another nvidia-hating sensationalist gutter-trash article by Charlie Demerjian. At least he's consistent. No actual news here, move on people.

Charlie Don't you think you'd better find some actual evidence of chipset failures before writing a heading like "Nvidia chipsets are defective too?"

Oh wait what am I saying? actual evidence? thats not 'your thing' is it. I guess you'll have to resort to your usual made-up "inside sources".

QUOTE: Come on guys, a little proofreading here and there wouldn't kill you. It would kill us, but you guys have the pretence of professionalism. µ

- you can say a lot of things about The Inq, but you can't say they don't know what they are.

When they found a new material set that works better, it is consolidated across all platform.

Does that make sense?

Or do you need to do another hit job?

If you find a better process than the one you are currently using I expect nothing less than for you to implement it across your product line (just like AMD/INTEL etc all do regularly). They know it has caused a problem in a few notebooks. Why wait to see if it happens elsewhere. Change materials FOR A PRETTY DARN GOOD REASON. Possible future failure avoidance is a GREAT reason to switch to better materials. Smart management.

Nothing here, Move along...

All of the Nvidia products are defective. All of them, ALL OF THEM!!! 
BURN THEM. SAITAN!!

When something like this came from Charlie "Dementian", is very clear that is false, because this guy hadn´t any proofs about his fallacies.

ANY statistics about failures of the products of nvidia?, nothing in his ground, only his oniric dreams. How many RMAs by this enormous cuantities of defective products? No, ah?

Boy (Fan, fan-boy, anti-nividia is cool, allright?, stupid lamer..), you can say this garbage, but actually nobody with a brain will hear you pathetic screaming.

"Peter and the wolf" is a very little example of what happening when someone lies repeatedly.

I fully support Charlie on this article. Has anyone like Mark , "someone" or JustNiz lost money due to defective Nvidia products ? They seem to be just Nvidia fanboys with infinite bag of money or Nvidia marketing/ PR. Nvidia is a dishonest company which instead of recalling defective products is trying to hide the defect and sell its defective inventory. Thanks Inquirer for publishing the truth. I only wish someone could start a class action lawsuit against Nvidia in uk and avenge the wrongs done by Nvidia due to their unreliable and defective products.

What I find most amusing is the fanboys slagging off the inq, for simply reporting the facts. We know these chips are bad, we've seen and experience the high volume failures fist hand, but some commentators here still don't seem to get it. They still think its hatred fuelled stories. 

Well, guys its real, its happening now, wake up and smell the coffee.

Other comments such as "don't know how you haven't been sued yet" are even more demonstrative of a total grasp on reality.

You can't be sued for libel if you report the truth. 

Go read it and weep
http://www.urban75.org/info/libel.html

This isn't America where you can sue a car manufacturer because it didn't mention that slamming your bollocks in the trunk might make you sterile.

are out in force I see. Well, f**k 'em.

I am a tech follower since the years of Spectrum 48
I am also a tech corp stock owner, including nvidia.
But there is a line that I think has been crossed, since all these posts create a negative climate, that has an impact on my views regarding nvidia and the worse part I have no idea if they hold even the slightest merit. If they do I am clearly in trouble, but if this is just a bashing festival then,,, this is trully a disservice.
More hard evidence is needed and less bashing...

Wow, what kind of life-upset these folks are going through completely baffles me. Why post all there Charlie hating messages? By now, you all seem well acquainted with Charlie's take on Nvidia's process changes not to mention the title kind of gives it away.

As a computer parts consumer I really *appreciate* this reporting! I'd also want to see reports like this about ATI ... if they got printed. Why aren't they printed? Maybe it's a life long project of Charlie's to only discredit Nvidia? (not!) Maybe it's a conspiracy at The Inq - you know there's a lot of "weird" "reporters" working there. (say the quotes with Dr Evil style curling of the first 2 fingers on each hand)

Or, maybe ATI hasn't had these out-of-the-ordinary process changes! Did you think of that? Maybe ATI engineers a design using materials that don't need an expensive, risky, disruptive change in *mid-manufacturing*!

Of course, Charlie and The Inq and all of the rest of the IT news world could be secretly hording anti-ATI / pro-Nvidia materials just 'cause. But remember Occam's Razor which is often paraphrased as "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." Maybe Nvidia didn't cut over to the right materials and now they, their share holders, OEMs, channel, and some end users are paying.

Note, I'm really sure I've read that The Inq has an across the board "no NDA" policy so all their reporters, not just Charlie D, can thumb their nose at manufacturers tightly controlling information. I for one like that and it's a big reason I read The Inq, every day.

PS - At least my last 3 gaming video cards are Nvdia and my mobo chipset is Nvidia. My next card will be an ATI 4870 once there's a well reviewed non-standard design for the fan/heatsink that cools the temp down and is real quiet. Or, I'll get an after market hs/fan like the upcoming T-Rad2.

well if you nvididiots cant read between the line's youll get burned, if there wasn't any truth in it, the enquirer would be up for a law suite 
use ur head and stop believing the spin that's coming from nvidia, well said Charlie

This week I have bought two laptops and one desktop machine and, because of the stuff written on this site, I made sure that none of them had Nvidia chips inside them.

As we were spending mine and my wife's money, as opposed to a tiny part of a budget granted from a multi-million pound organisation, I tend to research (a bit) and look around before parting with it.

FUD (fear and doubt), as created by IBM and honed by Microsoft, are very good marketing tools - It worked on me, and everyone else who asked me what they should get.

So my advice to everyone who asks me what laptop they should get for email, web, and word stuff now has clause 3 added. It reads:

1) Get one that you think looks nice.

2) Is within your budget.

With added clause:-

3) Make sure it does not have Nvidia chips inside.

Why take the risk?

Come on you stupid mindless drones. The Job of the press is to report the news and raise hell. That is *exactly* what Charlie has done, and all you can do is whine and whine and whine every time your preferred brand isn't lauded as perfect and faultless.

Do you even realise how stupid you come across as? If quoting and paraphrasing an Nvidia press release (and then adding his own 2p) makes the article "sensationalist gutter-trash" that is "useless garbage and complete speculation" then I have a bridge to nowhere to sell you poor fools.

Charlie,

Your previous Nvidia articles were backed up by both scientific, financial and statistical data.

This time around you've made an ass of yourself. I really did have a good deal of respect for you before you did wrote this article.

I think it is time to step back, reflect on what "reporting" is about and stop the "wild" conjecture. There is a difference between the two and the line you walk is a fine one as a 'reporter' - it is often the same measure for libel.

Dale.

love the responses, really. got to show support for a big company which poops down your neck ( you pay for the privilege). wait,...ok, all you nvidia employees (that are left...): you won't get a bigger bonus for posting here...or will you? god, i hate nvidia...love my data...hate nvidia...

Charlie, nice article.

Fanboys, please provide some costs and facts with your love for nvidia.

NVidia, if ur parts are bad then please recall them. Otherwise people will just steer clear of your products and ur company will be known as the company that screws its customers with crap product and crappier warranty support.

Well to bad everyone is entitled to do what he so feels like. The only thing you guys seems to notice is the bad stuff, who else covers nvidia more than charlie? Every little move by the N is under charlies eye. In order to hate, you have to know and love first.

Hi chaps,

I would just like to point out that Charlie's articles are very informative, but I think we get the idea now, NV is not doing well and tried to cover the whole fiasco up.

I am neither for or against NV, but since I am a professional in the electronics industry, I do know this, we do not issue a PCN unless we suspect a product is faulty. Because it costs a lot of money to make changes and it hinders future development. So if NV has issued more PCNs, then you know why that is. It is not speculation, it is FACT.

Just keep that in mind chaps.

is because I didn't buy any shares when they were cheaper and I lost out on the investment opportunity.
nVidia is a dead duck waddling. Once GPU function arrives on the CPU die, that's it for nVidia 'coz they aren't known for GPU.
Luckily for ATI they got bought out by AMD, so they will last longer before they go bankrupt, too.
Of course, Intel is going to outlast everyone. Except for Google. Sigh.

Thanks CHARLIE for keeping the eyes up.

I already STOPPED buying NV-card more than 5 years ago for my company and my customers when I found that every NV card will DIE if the fan dies. NOT with ATI card, you need only to replace the faulty fan. No NV for my company/customers thank you very much.


And for ALL of you NV_FAN loooser.
How are you still read inquirer if you think
Charlie is lying... GET A LIFE IDIOTS...!!!

Oh I forget, YOU DON'T HAVE A LIFE...!!!
Except watching your NV company DIES!!!
That would be the day that I celebrate...
Resistance is futile...!!!!

NV FAN HATER

Funny all those fanboys.

I stopped using nVidia a long time ago.
As the other said, when the fan stops they are gone.
Go ask Medion, their systems typical have a dead fan right after 2 years.
The nVidia cards ALL burn when that happens.
Also, if you look at the chipsets, they get so hot that they must burn over time.
Not a single chipset ever gets that hot.

ATI, VIA and SIS chipsets don't even need a heatsink, but they put one on to be sure.

In general, heat is a good sign of quality, less heat is general a better product.
If it's electronics or anything else.

Just because Charlie keeps writing bad stuff about Nvidia doesn't mean you can flame him all you want. The guy's just doing his job. Even Jensen admitted that their chips are faulty. Ok, I know a lot of people are angry because they love Nvidia and they don't want Nvidia to suffer and die, but articles like this are only meant to protect the consumer. If Charlie's reporting BS don't you think Jensen would be just sitting on his balls doing nothing about it?

It's like the milk from China that's gotten all the attention. Don't blame the guys reporting it. Just stay away from those products. Period. Don't be a total geek and rant all about it.

Charlie,
It's disconcerting when an individual appears on a mission to destroy a company; people always assume there is a hidden motive.

But if the reporting is truth... Flame all you wany guys, Nvidia has a serious manufactoring issue; there's going to be more failed parts, very high RMA rate in a couple of years on these parts, and Nvidia has burned so many bridges in the process they might not recover.

I'd bet a paycheck or two that engineers in Nvidia told their management well in advance that the manufactoring process chosen would have issues. I work in IT, I've developed electronics, and management always justifies doing the wrong thing if expediant.

Charlie; what's the big picture? Who the hell at Nvidia authorized this "Cluster F@#$"?

Now that would be a story ;)

"MCP73 Products Change Bump Material from High Pb Solder to Eutectic Solder"

Pb is otherwise known as lead. To be RoHS compliant you have to not use lead. What this quote from the NVIDIA source tells me is that they are stopping the use of lead in their manufacturing process to become RoHS compliant.

Where the hell are these "bad chips", charlie?

I've been reading this garbage for months now, and still no "bad chips".

I work on brand new nvidia chipset motherboards and video cards ALL DAY LONG, five days a week.

STILL NO "bad chips"!!!

Help me out here charlie.

Could you at least send me one? Just one.

Sorry to add, but...

@sam:

"I only wish someone could start a class action lawsuit against Nvidia in...ect."

That's funny.

"YOU WISH" someone could start a class action lawsuit against nvidia, but YOU CAN'T. BECAUSE NOTHING'S WRONG.

And if you say, "but, but, but, charlie said there is so there is!!!" I'll need to see some proof. And please don't link the joke articles filled with lies posted by ol' charlie. Because one person's infantile rants are by no means "proof".

lol

@"Nobody":

"In general, heat is a good sign of quality, less heat is general a better product. 
If it's electronics or anything else."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That PERFECTLY explains why the GTX280 Nvidia card idles around 50 celcius, and the (anything) ATi card idles around 100 celcius.

I don't think you meant to put the company YOU'RE a fanboy of down, but you did.

Horribly.

lol

Two out of 3 nVidia products I bought died within the last year - each about 2 months after 1 yr warranty ran out. Please keep the flame going - burn nVidia burn ! I hope the company goes under - nobody cares that I,so far, lost almost $2000 US because of them.

is The Inquirer becoming a tabloid machine? There's no facts or statistics other than opinions? Where's the material engineering calculations? I have an 8500gt card and a 570 motherboard and so far it's been running okay for now. However this fud and opinions are not scientific. Where's the standard deviations and alphas in the analysis? Opinions don't really help except for changing the fickle minded...

a) If you are not part of an NDA and get information about it, you are not in trouble.

b) journalists have the right to publish stuff they stumble upon. Even confidential.

c) If you can't stomach the truth, pay for therapy. Nvidia fucked up - and instead of being angry that nvidia lied, you are killing the messenger. Very mature.
Which leads to 
d) Fanboys never learn.

@ostar - 

First man, you don't have to be a fanboy to post. He didn't "put his own company down", he simply stated a neutral truth. He's most likely not a fanATIc, ever considered that option. Think a bit before you post next time.

Second, again with the thinking... Look back on all these articles about nVidia, are you saying they're all lies and slander? Because they're not.
I myself had an 8600 break on me. Took a while, sure, but it did. The laptop would get hotter and hotter and then it'd reboot and after a few months of that, it just died.

If you work building computers or something like that, you will most likely not see this happen, as it seems to be an issue of "wearing out" the parts.

Don't worry folks. I think Charlie knows that this is probably the last place he will ever have a chance at reporting anything. When the Inq. has had enough of him, or he even goes far enough to make the Inq. brass roll their eyes (Like when Charlie said it was a good thing about that murder suicide where a Husband/Father/Spammer shot and killed his wife and toddler daughter and almost killed his older daughter before she fled), Charlie has no where else to go. He's done. Anyone want a link to the above mentioned article by Charlie and that spammer guy, let me know. I'll be happy to oblige.

Times running out Charlie. Enjoy it and go for broke while you can.

Cheers.

"Look back on all these articles about nVidia, are you saying they're all lies and slander?"

Yep, and I havn't seen ANY proof to prove otherwise, -*at all*-.

"I myself had an 8600 break on me. Took a while, sure, but it did. The laptop would get hotter and hotter and then it'd reboot and after a few months of that, it just died. "

WOWOWOWOW You had a machine/part break/go bad on you? Holy crap!!!!!! That absolutely means that nvidia makes all broken chips, all the time, no matter what, right!?!?!?!?!

I've had THREE ATi cards take craps on me within the year of being bought. I guess if we compared notes, ATi (the company YOU are a fanboy of) had THREE TIMES THE AMMOUNT OF FAILURES!!!!!!!

Your logic is infallible.

"If you work building computers or something like that, you will most likely not see this happen, as it seems to be an issue of "wearing out" the parts."

Oh really, *genius*?

You don't think someone would bring their custom built machine back if it broke within a year of being bought?

What's funny is the warranty my customers get is one of the biggest selling points

Again, you're letting that logic shine right though!!! YAY!!!

I think you may need to listen to what YOU *tried* to tell me:

"Think a bit before you post next time."

Tool.

I see that the latest Nvidiot bleating about libel actions in the comments (you know who you are).

How many times do I have to explain the simplicity of libel laws.

"Libel" is written words that are untrue. Note the key word in that sentence is "untrue" nothing written here is by Charlie is "untrue" and therefore there won't be any libel action.

Now, Nvidiots are we clear on this? Have you got it yet? Do I need to say it slower or louder for you.... or do you need it in large print perhaps?

Go read the definition of "libel" and stop posting comments that confirm you are a bunch of (nv)idiots.

I have read many posts about failing nvidia cards and I too am a victim. You will not be as likely to see a failure in a desktop as there is better ventilation, more fans of larger size etc. The high failure rates are really occurring in the laptops where excessive heat plus compact size creates a perfect storm. I have a dell xp m1210 and it has been overheating since the day I received it. As far as proof look at all the patches dell has released to compensate for the extra heat the nvidia gpu puts off. Not to mention the drivers nvidia has been issuing to kick up the fan speed on their gpu's to try and keep their cards from frying.

Die nvidia Die - I will never purchase another one as long as I live.

I just purchased NVIDIA GEFORCE 6200 PCI and its a real piece of crap. It is very difficult to configure it to work with a tv which is why I bought it. Its also causing Rise of Nations to freeze up about a minute into the game. I've been scouring the web for solutions and discovering a lot of people have run into the same or similar gaming problems and very few of them have been able to get them resolved. AVOID THIS MODEL VIDEO CARD!!!!