Intel's Core 2 Quad Q8000 coming soon

.....Unfortunately still wont be able to run crysis

this contradicts the Intel slide that's been roaming the web and that you published a couple of days ago.

in the slide there's VT and TXT supported... so what is it?

I appreciate Intel launching a Quad-Core for the "entry level price"...BUT why-o-why does Intel disable VT & TXT features!?

This thing happened with E4xxx Core 2 Duo series....I don't mind the Pentium E2xxx series not having V or TXT they don't bare the Core 2 name.

But omitting key features such as VT & TXT is ridiculous!
Granted not everyone uses it but some people do!

Q8xxx give it a miss...opt for the Q6600 then granted it's on 65nm but how much does it cost now anyway...like $15-20 more....if you want Quad Core 45nm look at the Q9xxx series this Q8xxx & E7xxx series are just money stealing tactics by Intel on the consumer by disabling key-features.

On the other hand my $50 Athlon X2 3600+ CPU which I got last year...has VT feature! Imagine that....a $50 one year old discontinued CPU having VT features & the latest & greatest technological processor's ever (pun intended) not having them!

I can understand being upset over VT but TXT? come on that's like begging for handcuffs.....

If you absolutely *must have* VT support on the desktop, Jay, you yourself pointed out that the Q6600 (and Q6700, which is also still available), both support VT (in fact, they will both still be available when Q8200 launches) and cost *less* than Q8200 (which will eventually replace Q6600/6700 as the bottom-end quad-core from Intel, but not until 2009). Meanwhile, there is far more support for VT than for TXT (even sticking to non-Windows operating systems), which again points to Q6600, not Q8200, just looking at CPU prices. The reality that most Q8200-targeted motherboards will also demand still-pricey DDR3 (whereas Q600 can run quite happily with easily-available and extremely inexpensive PC-8500/DDR2-1066). I have been pushing Q6600 all year (largely because, once I picked up my jaw from the concrete, I realized that not only is it priced similar to their dual-core counterparts, but, in the main, is a lot easier to obtain, either in systems or in boxed-retail form for BYOPC projects); in other words, Q6600 was a BFB (Big Fat Bargain). Intel's launch pricing for Q8200 has not only *not* dispelled that fact; it's actually carved it in stone. (Remember, Q6600 will not be EOLed until 1Q 2009 at the earliest).

Lastly, what software (outside niche uses) actually *demands* VT? (I'm talking about on the desktop, not in the server closet.) VMWare? Nice try, but no; I first ran VMWare Workstation 4.3 on a mere P-III 1 GHz and Windows XP (VMWare Workstation 6 will run on the same hardware/OS combo today). VirtualBox? Nope; it has the same hardware requirements (or lack thereof) as VMWare. The darling hypervisor of the open-source set, Xen? Please; Xen will run on a Pentium 4 - of the Williamette core. (In fact, Xen will run on Intel's P4-based Centrino, which was designed for laptops and notebooks.) Intel hasn't shipped a new Williamette-based CPU for retail sale since 2003, and my own P4 2.6 Northwood-C dates back to 2004! So, where's the demand for VT, let alone TXT, which only launched in the Q9xxx/E8xxx series earlier this year? In fact, VT *itself* is old at Intel, dating back to the relatively-long-dead Pentium-D 925 (as you pointed out, AMD-V has been around even longer). Bargain-basement-intended CPUs typically *don't* get the latest and greatest features. (And before you even try to bring up Intel's Core2Quad Q6600, that used to be a midrange processor, before lackluster demand pushed it into its current place in the fire-sale rack.)

I assume that the "some people" who use VT and TXT aren't cheap bastards who complain when a cheapo chip doesn't come with the said features.

Dumbass...

Don't you just luv how Intel makes fun of AMD selling a 3-core system - "we prefer to sell our CPUs with all cores functional" - and then they use non-functional VTX CPUs as de-binned entry level products? I hope AMD comes out and says, "We prefer to sell our CPUs with all features funtional"...

Jim

VT or virtualization is really non-essential for majority of average desktop users and gamers. Anyone can count the number of desktop programs and games that uses VT? That right, HARDLY!! How about extremely, extremely rare... Only useful in servers and for software programmers / developers. TXT isn't much use either... very much like their ancient processor serial number connundrum (everyone who wants better privacy switches it off).

That said, maybe Intel should be generous and leave those intact... Taking it out means its giving some sales to AMD.. daamit!!

LOL!!