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Nvidia 270/290 in deep trouble
IT LOOKS LIKE Nvidia's run of bad luck is continuing. The latest word is that the GT200b is in for another respin, that would be the third. This means the 270 and 290 are effectively delayed until February, and the GX2 part is quite dead.
If you recall, the original plan was to have them out for the Nehalem launch on the 17th, an ambitious goal considering the timing on the last respin. Since that spin failed, it is a moot point, but word is that NV will put something out on the market.
Since this is (was?) a simple optical shrink, there are going to be no new features, so that leaves better power, higher clocks, and lower prices as an option. Since most if not all GT200 based parts are selling at little if any profit – we hear 260s are under water, 280s barely above – don't look for price being the point the wheel-o-semicoductor-planning stops on.
That leaves power and speed. Unfortunately, the shrink is a mess and not working out well at all, so neither of those features panned out. Where does that leave us? With a shrunken GT200 that doesn't really perform any better or worse than the current part, but gives NV a little better breathing room. That is the current best case.
With that in mind, NV is probably going to slipstream 55nm parts into the mix, likely without much fanfare. Anything more would gut the eventual 270/290 launch, if they can get the shrink done right, and that is a big if right now. The other tactic, and don't put it past them, is to launch an upclocked 55nm part to try and gain back the halo.
It will be interesting if the company tries this, it can't make them in commercial quantities, so it would be a press + 200 for Newegg only part. The downside would be to eat Christmas sales, the upside would be to stroke their collective egos. Given the egos involved, this is a tough one to call from the peanut gallery.
That brings us to the GX2/dual card. Suppliers tell us that it is quite dead. We thought it was an impossible thing to pull off when we first analysed the part, and it looks like several universal physical constants agreed with us. Thermodynamics is a bitch.
So in the end, NV has what it has now, PR stunts aside, until February. If it hot lots a few wafers, and don't look for TSMC to be doing it favors right now, that would put it at September 1 + 20 weeks.
Throw in a little time for testing, not that the concept seems to matter much at NV, and you are into February.
No wonder ATI cards are on allocation. µ
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You're so right. It's so dead, that it's being released on Jan. 8th. Deep trouble indeed. Just one more blow to the credibility, no big deal.
And the above obviously is too. You have no idea what’s coming or when.
According to todays conference call, nVidia is currently shipping 55nm to its partners. Any comments?

Just in the last month, you've told us so many lies, you simply have no credibility left. 

How about all those new layoffs, every fift person? The discontinued chipset business? That the reported failing GPU is the tip of an iceberg?

Rumour mill has it that you are telling lies to avenge some bloke for your syfillis problems. So say my (reliable) sources.

http://images4.hiboox.com/images/2608/f74297ec6e2fcb9b2852816fb5635345.jpg

They did have to come up with a new card size spec.... which they did without telling anyone. :P
GX2 could be possible
If Nvidia really wants to make a 280 GX2 then it should be possible if the card is water cooled. The power dissipation would be too high for air cooling but should not be too difficult for water cooling.
posted by : Duncan Macdonald, 04 November 2008 

I doubt they would go to the trouble and expense of making a dual gpu card just to sell it to the relatively small watercooled niche market
FLAME ON! Bring on the water... poor Charlie. With you 'til the end my friend.
First Post!!!

Oh yeah, and ATI is for sux0r5!!!!111 ;-)
The style of your writing is unprecedented in Tech, comparable with the Magee guy only.
This is slightly more than just an optical shrink. When a chip is respun it means that its design has had to be changed again. Nvidia are changing the internal layout of the die to try and achieve higher shader clocks. The shaders are low clocked on the gt200 like the 8800gtx. Look at how shader clocks increased with the g92 (8800gt/gts) they went from 1300mhz to nearly 1700mhz. I believe nvidia hopes to increase the gt200 shader from 1300 to 1600mhz. This will give a sizeable boost in performance but its going to be too late in febuary. Nvidia could be in trouble here as that 1.4b transistor chip is just too complex and the ATI offering is smaller and going to be easier to modify and manufacture.
Originally world had its first card, Model 1. worked its way to 10 then 20,....50 & finally 100, with cd rom special on/off at 100.1, Don't be fooled by 20 years since, even level 100 graphics is on change & changed to be NT6, then 150 came thru agin, 200 got HOT & now 300 are on Main, Yet theres BIG Ultimat jump in hurddles, its' straight thru to 800, that step up from 600 before world invented 900, as TOP.

Today its 290 delayed, maybe Dr Duncer gets its' chipset fevor, Only OverLords Know for ?Sure. Continuing 90 as high p0oint in series. if one prognosticates on papertraining, $2.95 might of been number 1, very lonelynumber by now.

Next:350: 1,000 streams BIG Watts & Someone whom Might hack MultiCore as Tasking Wheel.
Drashek
Another insightful article into the graphics card world, even if it is *slightly* biased, it is very useful information anyway. Keep it up charlie
If Nvidia really wants to make a 280 GX2 then it should be possible if the card is water cooled. The power dissipation would be too high for air cooling but should not be too difficult for water cooling.
I was waiting for GT206. Concretely the GX2 part before Xmas. Having read the article...should I go now for the 4870X2?

Thx
There are supposedly G100, GT130, GT140 and G150 55nm shrinks of the current mid and low end 9xxx lineup coming before the end of the year.

Any news if these are on track and of possible increases in clocks and decreases in power?