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World's biggest particle accelerator boots up
Wed Aug 06 2008, 15:13

PARTICLE PHYSICS researchers will be partying on October 21st after the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the world's largest and most powerful particle accelerator, is inaugurated near Geneva, Switzerland. Alexander Vodopyanov, a scientist working at Russia's Joint Institute for Nuclear Research, let the LHC's unveiling date slip to RIA Novosti on Tuesday.

Hadrons are the class of relatively massive subatomic particles that includes protons and neutrons, which comprise the nuclei of atoms and are ringed by layered clouds of spinning electrons, which belong to the Lepton class of subatomic particles. [Pay attention at the back there. We may have a test] Other classes of more exotic subatomic particles are Quarks and Bosons. Physics is still learning how they work.

The huge device will boost streams of protons circling in opposite directions up to extremely high energies and smash them together to test the validity of current particle physics theories.

The LHC is called Large because it's the biggest particle accelerator so far constructed, a subterranean tunnel 27 kilometres in diameter that's buried about 100 meters underneath an area straddling the French-Swiss border.

"The collider is to be inaugurated on October 21," said the academician Vodopyanov. "This means at least one test-run of proton beams around the accelerator ring will be conducted prior to inauguration."

He said all eight sections of the collider's large ring have been cooled to temperatures near absolute zero and that a proton beam could be test-fired through one of the sectors as early as this week.

Once the collider gets up and running it will continually generate terabytes of data transmitted to physics research institutions throughout the world for subsequent analysis, pushing the capabilities of state-of-the-art networks and high performance computing (HPC) facilities.

The giant technodonut is a $5.8 billion international project run by CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research. It involves more than 2,000 physics researchers working at hundreds of universities and laboratories in 34 countries.

Particle physicists hope the collider will produce evidence for the existence of the so-called Higgs boson. Observing the Higgs boson could confirm predictions and resolve a number of still unanswered questions about the Standard Model of physics and might help explain how other subatomic particles acquire properties such as mass. µ

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Don't worry

Torchwood are going to be there on the day (BBC actually says), if a black hole appears they will look into it.

posted by : Robert Carnegie, 11 August 2008 Complain about this comment
Some people just can't understand mass and energy.

There is not enough physical mass or energy on the planet earth to create a stable black hole. Even a molecular sized one does not hav the required mass or energy to be sustained. 

Some people just don't understand scales of energy. 

And some people are just plain retarded and ignorant to clear, obvious facts.

Yes, be afraid. Be very afraid since the idiots are likely ignorant to more important issues.

posted by : Viscountalpha, 08 August 2008 Complain about this comment
Logic.

About those comments saying "if that could happen earth would have been gone already" I'd like to point out that we did in fact observe large areas in space which seem to have gotten a beating, or in fact seem to not contain anything for reasons unknown.
So if you want to use that logic you can't say there aren't massive events happening all over the universe that if they happened here would destroy the solar system.
There's no logic in saying "didn't happen so far so it can't happen", did you get hit by a bus so far? Probably not, so can you now just walk across a busy city street without watching since it "can't happen because it didn't happen so far"?
Also being uniformed and saying we are safe does not make you better or smarter than being uninformed and saying we are not, in fact if anybody is smarter it's the ones having the sense to know that when there's a risk they WILL probably deny there is and choosing the safest road isn't such a bad choice then.

posted by : W.-, 08 August 2008 Complain about this comment
Psychochief you're a retard.

@ Psychochief
You can't even spell 4 letter words properly; you use expressions like "0_0" regularly... Why are you even commenting on a topic that's way beyond your little monkey brain?

posted by : holyshithax, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
mini big bang ?? lol


@the_countess

errrrrrrrrrrm, yeh oki doki, black holes are only theoretical so wtf you know about it anyhoooooooos, ffs go play with ya abacus and read up on quantum gravity !!!! :O)

ffs whats a 'mini' big bang, either it is a BIG bang or it isnt innit ?? get that baby wound up, thunderbirds are go !!!! earplugs and dark glasses anyone ?? :O)

/dons full foil suit and helmet and legs it to my underground nuke bunker at a secret location in deapest rural england O_O

posted by : psychochief, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
Safe

Fruitcakes anyone?

posted by : random, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
Some scientists are telling another story

Got LHCFacts.org?

Some senior PHD level theoretical scientists are concerned, should you be concerned?

posted by : JTankers, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
Ignorance is funny!

I get such a kick out of the idiots that are freaked that this device will destroy the earth.

They are so narrowminded about the size of the universe and our tiny spot in it ... They can't even comprehend that far more powerful particle collisions happen all the time in our upper atmosphere from cosmic rays.

If the new toy was really as dangerous as the idiots think, we and everything else we observe in the universe would have been destroyed long long ago.

... but don't let me stop you, be scared! Boo! Scary Scary boo! !!

posted by : Ken, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
what?

You people are being.. not smart. First of all, a black hole of that size does not have the force or size to suck up anything as large as our world. Even if it stayed open it would hardly be earth killing, the number of molecules of air it could suck up are replenished constantly. Number 2 there is not enough matter to create a nuclear explosion. even if the particles colliding somehow exploded in the airless vaccum, there are not enough particles so sustain a noticeable explosion.

posted by : Dave, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
At least...

It would be a fast way to go, no wasting sickness, no incontinence, BAM we are all inside out (or burnt at a few million degrees Celsius).

The positives? Why do this kind of silliness? Frankly its to save our piece of rock (and ourselves) from a slow death. Environmental issues don't get better, the 2 hopes we have is some kind of super-efficient-clean-power system or the basics to set up proper space environments (gravity, drive systems, etc).

Of course in the meantime... http://xkcd.com/401/

posted by : Damage, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
there is no risk

@Craig

there are much more energetic collisions in the upper atmosphere of this planet every single day. If there would be any risk, Earth would have been gone a long time ago.


posted by : energyman, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
That's circumference, not diameter

And enough with the doomsday theories people, it's not going to happen.

posted by : Lindsay, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
to all the doom-theorists.

you have no idea what your talking about clearly.

any 'black-hole' they create will be one without any mass and therefor cant sustain itself and will decay and evaporate within microseconds.

and as for the particles they are creating, there is a reason we don't find them in nature on their own. they simply cant exist on their own.

posted by : the_countess, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
The sky is falling... noobs

/quote/
I'm not to sure about that theary that they think they could make temporary mini black holes with this that will close as soon as they are created.
/quote/

Don't think about it...

Black holes (singularities) are caused because an enormous amount of mass creates a significant gravity field. 

Gravity is a function of distance as well as mass. If you compress something big (eg. the Earth) down to the size of something small (eg. a tennis ball) while retaining it's mass, anyone standing on the surface is now a hell of a lot closer to the center of mass and is therefore under a lot more gravity.

The problem with "hadron collider will create micro black holes that end the world" is that the components that will form the black holes (eg. hadrons) are fairly low mass anyway and don't have a hell of a lot of space to compress down to decrease their radius, which they would need to do to dramatically increase their gravity to the point that light would not be able to escape.

Unless said hadrons on collision manage to generate the mass of a large stellar object (say a sun or at the very least a huge gas giant) in a very small space, we're all safe...

posted by : Asmodai, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
NO sorry, LHC switching on is not the end of the world... sorry to disappoint... but..

LHC will NOT produce the end of the world, it is the ultimate in BS from sensationalist news media.

Earth has been bombarded by ultra-high energy cosmic rays far far more energetic than the particles that will zip around the LHC... or billions of years ... and so far hasn't disappeared down a black hole.

LHC will produce particles with a engergy level of about 7x10^9 (7 trillion) electronvolts, the Oh-My-God particle observed in a detector in Utah, came from space with a energy of 3x10^20 electronvolts ... MILLIONS of times more energy... and we didn't die. Infact these happen all the time. These particles are so fast they reach the bottom of the atmosphere after hitting the top of it because time is so slowed down for something travelling that close the speed of light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-energy_cosmic_ray
"Its observation was a shock to astrophysicists, who estimated its energy to be approximately 3 × 10^20 electronvolts (50 joules)— in other words, a subatomic particle with macroscopic kinetic energy equal to that of a baseball (142 g) thrown at 100 km/h (60 mph)."

posted by : womprat, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
This never ends well.

Isn't firing off something like this how both Half-Life and Another World began?

The opening of Another World:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j4gO9sR7zs&feature=related

posted by : Knyte, 07 August 2008 Complain about this comment
October huh?

I guess we'll see if they manage to press the off-switch for the universe. We won't actually see it since we won't exist, but you know what I mean. 

Personally I think the Mayan prediction that end of times will happen in 2012 will be the date they manage to create a hyper-hole that will suck up all superstrings in the universe, possibly instigated by a new experiment where they accelerate full baryons and smash them into half baryons.

posted by : Scyphe, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
LHC

I had a fit of dyslexia and thought LHC stood for Large Hardon Collider when I first read it. That was the most interesting part.

posted by : Moomanerism2, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
Cobblers

these rants about how it will explode into a black hole are complete nonsense. If scientist would follow such fears we would be living on trees.
Even if it doesn't really do anything useful its really beautiful and for just 6 billions its well worth it. 

Consider how much does the credit crunch cost... And these 6 billioins were invested into technology and research that helps even us punters to buy cheapo chips and stuff.

posted by : johny, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
God Particle

http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/070708/turn-off-gravity.gif

posted by : Ed3, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
More Power! Ar ar ar

What we need to do to this baby is give 'er a little more juice.

posted by : Grunchy, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
Dumb comments

Interesting trend. The more advanced the science being discussed, the more idiotic the majority of the comments made in response.

posted by : martin, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
thank Jeff

I was really dreading the upcoming elections in the US (even though I will be in them), so it's nice to see we've got this coming event and enough time (who knows how long it will take for stranglets to eat the world, or a mini black hole to suck it up, with a couple of weeks buffer we've got time).

Fire it up boys, and crank her to 11 we don't want to limp away from this.

posted by : Sid Viscous, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
May I have another multi-billion dollar grant, please?

Weren't the last dozen or so, very expensive and very large, accelerators going to help answer the mysteries of the universe?

At last reckoning, the results of each and every very expensive accelerator always pointed toward the building of an even larger and more expensive accelerator in order to answer the mysteries of the universe.

If you ask me, it sounds like bureaucrats / consultants have gotten a hold of particle physics and are doing very well for themselves.

posted by : richard, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
We may have a test right now actually...

Obviously you failed your geometry exams because diameter is no the same as circumference. It's 27 km in circumference... Which would translate into approximately 8.6 km in diameter.

posted by : nova, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
Nobody mentioned

There is the concern this could cause an atomic explosion within the techno body working on the super donut. 
It's more exciting to think it could cause spontaneous combustion of moisture in the air - H2O- end result earth becomes a second sun.
Get your lotion ready!

posted by : Vinster, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
LHC informational Video

Check it!

http://www.vimeo.com/1431471?pg=embed&sec=1431471

No really it pretty good!

posted by : Xtanto, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
LHC disaster.

Man's technology has exceeded his grasp. - 'The World is not Enough' 
Zealous Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.
CERN physicist Alvaro De Rújula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing." And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, "the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown."
The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states quote: "There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,..." Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think the same thing about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: "A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals." The second part of the quote reads "...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,..." A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads "...as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe." These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the "God particle", and sacrifice the rest of us with him.
This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this "science" up: "That's the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out."
Find out more about that "stuff" below;
http://www.SaneScience.org/
http://www.LHCFacts.org
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm
http://www.lhcdefense.org/
http://www.lhcconcerns.com
Popular Mechanics - "World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'" - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/4216588.html"


posted by : SaneScienceOrg, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
The End

They're gonna produce non-baryonic matter and destroy the world.

posted by : hoohoo, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
CERN LHC/ALICE/ATLAS:

The champagne may go 'flat' during the scheduled (once financed) 2009 LHC ALICE experiments, with hyper-density plasmatic luminosities creating relativistic Time-Shifts, structural integrity loss, and expanding quantum wormholes (Einstein-Rosen Bridge - expanded version!). This is just my conjectured hypothesis, but is accepted by a number of out-cast scientists worldwide, and those currently under gag-orders. Discussions at CERN have been ongoing since June 2008, in this regard. NOT PUBLIC!

http://thefifthknight.blogspot.com/ 

Remember: Follow the 'White Rabbit'!

posted by : Robert I. Marsh II, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
Higgs Boson

A Higgs boson was recently created at the Fermi natinal accelerator in Batavia, Illinois. Maybe CERN can work on something else now ...

posted by : Ralph, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
More pics here

Great LHC pics here
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html


posted by : Chris, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
RIP?

I'm not to sure about that theary that they think they could make temporary mini black holes with this that will close as soon as they are created. What if it stays open and could this not be the answer to why no intellegent signals have yet been detected from outer place? When a civilization is 'smart' enough they conduct this experiement and goodbye, their world is sucked into non existance...

posted by : Craig, 06 August 2008 Complain about this comment
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