All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it. I myself deny it. - H.L. Mencken
EARLIER TODAY, WE told you about ATI's new mid-range cards, the 46xx series. The specs seem pretty solid, but there are a few interesting bits on top of that.
The card will not set the world on fire, but it is a much better step up than usual, with almost three times the shader count of the last generation 3650 card.
Other things go up by lesser amounts, so don't expect performance to go up by that much. Memory bandwidth is up by about 25 per cent, and this is likely a gating factor in performance.
Sapphire HD4670 with 43 per cent more sword-bearing chick
What can you do? Add more pins, add more board layers, more memory width, pile on more expensive memory. That can work. See the 4870's crushing performance for what you can do with narrow and fast GDDR5, but that is really tough to do on an $80 card. This segment is all about price, so you do what you can and balance things out where you are able.
This market segment is delineated in about $20 chunks, an $80 card is a different category from a $60 and $100 card. Some people even differentiate on $10 or less while OEMs are more granular than that.
It is all about the Benjamins, but usually doesn't even hit one of those. Price matters a lot, and if a card maker can save $2.50 in parts, that usually translates into a $5 drop in end-user pricing. Do that twice and you end up with a card that is one category up on the others it is competing against. This is a significant advantage.
That is where the 36xx line's secret weapon comes into play. The memory controller on the GPU supports not only the dirt-standard DDR2 and de rigeur GDDR3, but it also now will take vanilla DDR3. The point here is that GDDRx is a graphics memory that has limited and specialized uses, and the volume, while high compared to some things, is minuscule compared to desktop RAM.
GDDR3 and DDR3 are more or less the same in terms of functionality, it is just that DDR3 is half a decade newer than the G prefixed part. What does that mean? You can swap them out on a technical level with gains or losses in bandwidth measured in rounding error terms. If your controller supports it, pick your poison.
If you choose GDDR3, you are on the GPU memory pricing curve. If you pick DDR3, you are on the mainstream RAM pricing curve. Guess which one is has more competition? A quick check of pricing shows that a DDR3/1333 module can be had for $35 right now, or roughly $4 a chip in retail. This puts DDR3 quite close in cost to GDDR3, and prices never tend to go up on memory.
The future according to AMD
Board makers can pick their poison, whichever is the lower cost part, use it. If you save a dollar or two here and there, you win a lot of sales. Consumers win too. This is the meat of the market, and a $5 end user cost matters a lot, and it matters more to OEMs. In addition to causing Nvidia a lot of headaches, it may just fatten the margins of the board makers by a point or two. Win/win, unless you are wearing green.
The MSRP of the 4670 is $79 with 512M of GDDR3, and there are both 1G and DDR3 variants coming as well. DDR2 versions list for $69, but lose a lot of performance. The take home message here is that the cheapest Nvidia 9500GT with GDDR3 is $77 with most of the others are $79-99, and the ATI card kill that part in all performance tests. It even beats many cards a few price notches up.
This is going to make life very hard for Nvidia, look for the rebates to flow and the margins to drop. Once you take retail pricing into account, the 4870s will likely lose $10 off the MSRP, putting them on the shelves against the much slower 9500GT/DDR2 parts. This is not a fair fight, but that is retail competition for you. The real damage here is going to be in the OEM market, where most of the sub $100 cards are sold. If you don't think $5 matters, go ask a Dell component buyer about economics for an ear full, they would kill for a tenth of that.
The launch of the 46xx series today is simply more of the same. It forces Nvidia to slash prices in an attempt to compete. The profits they were planning on making with their much ballyhooed 55nm transition likely just went up in the smoke of market pressure.
The same process that gutted Nvidia in the high end is now extended to the mid-range, with only one market, the low end left to fight over. It doesn't take a genius to realise there is still a hole in the 4xxx lineup, and the interesting summer isn't over yet. µ
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3405&p=10

Crysis @ 1280x1024, medium detail, runs at about 53 fps on this card. Make it high detail, and the fps is 25. Incredible performance for such a part, to be honest.
and given that *I* do not need 1920x1200 or 25602x1600 to cap a head shot in Q4/HL2 or Crysis-medium-eye-candy, is this a good card?

Charles! The 98% of the world who won't buy a 30" monitor want to know!

BTW, who's the bird in the side bar with the excessive cosmetics? Her eyes say she does not want to do a head shot even if it is at 1280x1024.
Forget Crysis its so badly written it doesn't run properly on anything.
"Once you take retail pricing into account, the 4870s will likely lose $10 off the MSRP, putting them on the shelves against the much slower 9500GT/DDR2 parts."

Where can I get one of those for less than $100?
Ze bird is a very very rich Has Been ....
I'd love to hear how this does at 1050x768, which is my cheap 22" widescreen.
Charlie compares the card to the 95gt, Which can be had for $69, Shouldn't the comparison be against the 96gt which can be found for $79. Then let's see which card is better in the "bang for buck" category.
1050 x 768 should score very close to the old 1024 x 768 resolution. I would say performance is likely very good at your stated res.
They are best for synthetic images or anything with text.

JPG is best for natural images like photos but it blurs text so it can't be read easily.
Isn't DDR3 still 2x as much as DDR2 now. That chart doesn't seem to be accurate in the present, let alone the near future. I find it hard to believe that much GDDR5 and DDR3 is shipping. I know it will happen eventually, just seems a little soon. Maybe I'm wrong, do you have another source we could check? I'm guessing these were projections made a while ago that just didn't quite pan out.
This card will be priced around 30-35% cheaper than 9600 GT and 15-20% cheaper than 9600 GSO in Indonesia, truly a key winning formula in most developing countries like mine for example.
Dunno 'bout you guys, but here in merry old Britland, you'd be hard searched to find a 9600 GT for under £70, let alone $79 (which'd put it at about £50-something).
While DDR3 and GDDR3 have about the same bandwidth the half century old GDDR3 will perform much better. GDDR3 latency is probably less than half that of desktop standard DDR3. This is because Graphic memory is static based and GDDR3 has only one prefetch split while DDR3 has two. GDDR3 is more closely related to desktop standard DDR2 memory is this regard and probably shares similar (actually better) latency timings.
does this card have Shader Model 3.0 and how do u know it has Shader Model 3.0 im still a noob to this stuff so i dont know where to look^^
some1 plz respond