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THE NEWS about the upcoming release of Google's own web browser caught plenty of us by surprise, as the first reference about a Google browser was back on April Fool's day, two years ago and the company kept tight-lipped about it during its development.
Now that the release is imminent, it gives us time to pause and think about the implications of this move. Whom has more to lose, Microsoft or the Mozilla Foundation?
We think the latter. Microsoft had everything to lose from the very start, as it faced attacks from multiple sides: Mozilla's Firefox on the desktop, Apple's WebKit on the mobile space, and there's always Opera refusing to die or be assimilated, so IE's dominance was going downhill, no doubt about it. It was just a matter of who was going to eat the largest slice of its pie.
But the organisation most affected by this, unless it wakes up from its collective dream under the proverbial laurels, is going to be Mozilla.
About six months ago, one developer opened our eyes on the tidal wave of WebKit support. After I spoke in favour of Mozilla's Minimo, following my positive experience with the Nokia N800's Mozilla powered mobile browser, someone replied.
"Well, then you'll be left behind pretty soon, more or less the whole mobile industry is shifting to WebKit..." said Vladimir Pantelic from Germany on the Neuros OSD mailing list. He's right. Soon after, Neuros Technology began porting the WebKit engine to the Linux powered media centre and digital video recorder.
Pantelic continued its wake-up call: "Nokia? They switched from Opera to Webkit for their Series60 mobile phones, no?. If you refer to the N800/810, the very few units they make/sell of this experimental platform are totally irrelevant in terms of mobile browser market share."
Opera is also in trouble because, as Pantelic pointed, it costs money to use: "As (mobile) browsing becomes a commodity, (Opera) has no place any more. This is why Nokia switched from Opera to Webkit. This is why Google Android is using Webkit. If I was Opera, I would switch to Webkit as the renderer and try to find a place higher up the food chain." He might have a point.
At the time, Pantelic ended with an ominous warning about the future of Mozilla as an embedded browser: "Only Intel's Moblin has announced a Mozilla based browser, but Intel is well known for throwing MHz and megabytes at problems."
Google's tying of "Google Gears" into the browser also means bad news for the future of Mozilla as a "software platform" or API. The integration of "Google Gears" into the Chrome browser "allows webmasters to take advantage of APIs such as off-line storage" and "allows your web application to look and feel like a desktop application." Touché.
About five years ago, an article on LinuxInsider spoke about the rise of Mozilla as a "software platform" not just a web browser. Now, with Google Gears and its own innovative web browser as the delivery platform to get Gears installed into as many systems as possible, the search giant which promised to "do no evil" seems to be getting ready to eat both Microsoft and Mozilla's lunch.
This means that Mozilla has lost it against Apple a fourth time. First, it lost its first battle when Apple's Jobs decided to look for a small lean browser engine for OS-X and Mozilla's Gecko was not selected because at the time it was not size or performance optimised. He thus choose the open source KHTML engine for Apple's then new-browser, Safari. It was that work which then sparked "WebKit". The second time Mozilla lost it was when Google decided to use WebKit for its Mobile OS project, Android. The third loss was when Neuros Technology's innovative OSD digital video recorder and media centre also announced it would get a web browser on your telly, using WebKit, not Mozilla's engine.
The bundling of the WebKit engine with the QT development framework means more and more software will use WebKit, not Mozilla's engine. If WebKit has QT and KDE roots, Mozilla totally lost it when the Gnome web browser Epiphany switched from the Mozilla engine to WebKit. The only time Mozilla's Gecko made any significant inroads was when Nokia selected Mozilla to replace Opera as the web browser engine of choice in its N800 / N810 Linux powered Internet Tablets. A single win compared to a seemingly never-ending list of WebKit announcements, which, I almost forgot, also includes Adobe's AIR platform.
The Mozilla based browser on the Nokia N8x0 Internet Tablets is a good example that the engine can work quite well on embedded devices. We're not sure the Mozzarella Foundation is giving enough priority to the embedded space, specially now given the WebKit onslaught.
So, Quo Vadis, Mozilla?. What is its strategy to counter Gears and get the Mozilla engine everywhere given Google's assault? INQuiring minds want to know.µ
Meh, if Mozilla dies, I don't care. In the end competition is always good for the customer, and at least Google's browser won't be laden with the vestigial garbage of Netscape's crappy browser platform. Then again, with Google's track record of poor functionality, breaking old functionality, and and just lacking useful functionality with its Gmail (useless search function) and toolbar (reduction of useful features from "upgrades"), I don't have much hope for their browser.

I'm actually hoping Microsoft steps up and crushes the opposition once again. We saw great progress in browser technology as a result of the browser wars, even if there was a period of stagnation afterwards. Perhaps they will, once again, force other companies to release their source code to stay competitive. We have Microsoft to thank for Firefox's existence at all.
Interesting article. When & where will Google's browser be available?
Did you intend to make a joke, or did you just miss the fact that the article describing the epiphany switch to webkit was published on April 1st? It didn't happen :-)
Stop the madness! Hay NCSA "National Center for Supercomputing Applications", get off yer lazy asses & put out the next version dagnabit.
Larry! Sergei! Can someone please get the knife out of my back?

-Mozilla Foundation

Google's new mantra: "Do no evil, unless it gives us a leg up on Microsoft."
It's funny that you dismiss the relatively small Maemo platform against the even smaller Neuros platform
Google becoming more m$ everyday ... seriously, born with the knowladge of online world, google going to be more dangerous then m$...
first apache then mozilla who is next ...
Opera & Firefox both allow you to easily block ads.

Google makes alot of money off ads.

Google doesn't want ads blocked.

Google throws their wrapper around the WebKit (KDE) engine and pretends its a new browser when really all it does is keep you from blocking their ads & lets them track you 24/7.

This is no more writing a browser than the wrappers scammers put around the IE render engine so they can punch in their ads and track you. When some kid in Russia does it, we call it malware, but when Google does it we call it 'revolutionary' ???
http://www.google.com/chrome
HA ha and ha.
Here's one person not getting google's shiny chrome horse they rolled in front of my gate at night.
I think the biggest losers will be the people who use Google's Chrome. Read the fine print.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10030522-56.html
While Firefox might see a small slide with yet (another) browser release, I'm not so sure anyone will be jumping ship on a beta release just yet...or willing to download Chrome as a 3rd or 4th browser on their system.

If Google REALLY wanted in on the browser market, it would make "Chrome" available as a web-based interface that works with current browsers..and if it was THAT good, users would download a similar, but more functional program version. As it is, a browser is a browser is a browser. What matters more is the one you personally can use most effectively. A Google version that suggests everything Google (maps, video, etc.) every time you browse isn't going to win over the crowd that's sick of popups, banners, targeted advertising, and other revenue-generating but space- and time-wasting devices.
Installed Chrome just now and fired up The Inquirer. Chrome installed a nice big banner ad at the top of my screen that doesn't show up in IE7 or Firefox.

There is no way I'm opting into extra advertising. Google would have to pay me to support this program when Firefox works just fine.

Also, and I'm not sure if this is just because Chrome is trying to load the banner add but Firefox rendered the page much much faster than chrome.

But seriously, a one inch tall banner ad at the top of each page I surf? No way.
You left off that Google just signed up to fund Mozilla until 2011. That means they are still supporting an in-place browser. 

Maybe Google doesn't think their new ideas are gonna be instantly accepted ...
I'm testing it now. The interface is great. It lacks some functionality --cannot zoom full page or scroll with the middle button -- and it doesn't have extensions, which is Firefox's strength. If I were at Mozilla I'd consider the possibility of building Firefox 4 up on Chrome. Excellent Google!
--- It works.

Chrome doesn't render a lot of things properly...
I dont believe that mozilla is going anywhere i bet that google is doing this for a money grabbing ploy.

People are using firefox because its free, stable and most of all has really good support.

Im not bagging google it has its quirks but i only use its great serach engine.

I reckon that firefox is ahead of all of the browsers out there even IE. 

well thats just my 2 cents..
It seems to me that if you can effectively make a web based app look like a desktop app you run a security risk from malware sites. They may be able to create an app that looks local and will effectively steal users info without them being aware of it.
And Adobe chose webkit for AIR.
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo:DeveloperFAQ#Why_did_Adobe_choose_WebKit.3F
know exactly how much of my web browsing will be recorded and used for profit just like GMail and Google search privacy invasions. Please stop with the BS comments about Mozilla being in trouble. First, mobile ? web browsing is about the most unused POS tool ever... right behind the "games" on phones and PDA's...they get played about 5 times in the entire lifespan of the device unless the owner is retarded. The same applies to "web browsers" on a 3" screen...your an idiot for even trying the web on something that small. Which is why the doomsayers have been, and always will be, wrong when they say desktops PC's will be replaced by multifunction portable hand-helds...please get a grip. I like to actually "see" what's on the web site Im visiting...not squint and guess. As far as Im concerned Google chrome is just another portal for Google to jam advertising down peoples throat by selling off even more of the users privacy while chasing the all mighty buck. No thanks. Long live Mozilla !

Mozilla had it coming to them.

Firefox 3 is the biggest disaster ever --- loaded with features that many users did not want like the "Smart" browsing bar that cannot be disabled completely (it still tracks your usage after you 'hide' it).

Meanwhile, other browsers like Safari, and even Microsoft's IE 8, have such features like 'private browsing' that Firefox refuses to implement.

Add this together with the arrogance of the Mozilla organization, who decided to terminate support for FF 2 by the end of the year (regardless of whether their user community want to downgrade to FF3), and you have a company that have gone the Microsoft Vista route of ramming a POS down the throats of their user base.

Let Mozilla die a quick death and lets hope their ad revenues from Google plunge, resulting in these arrogant SOBs being tossed out on the street.
yeah she's faaaar from perfect at this stage.... 

I will not be using this software unless it accommodates adblock-type filtering. If it is genuinely open source and unrestricted as to the types of add-ons, then hopefully this will not be too long. 

Until that time, as observed by others, it is not in Google's interest to allow advertising content to be blocked - so ultimately, we are the losers.
Where have you gone, AdBlock?

Chrome throws up all the ads all the time. Ugh.

Also, the interface, while fast, looks more like a web page pretending to be a browser than a stand-alone application. But I suppose that is an aesthetic I could get used to.

I would also like to see a great deal more customizability with Chrome (like about:config).

For a first pass, it isn't too bad.

I have stacks of extensions I use in Firefox however, so it will take a great deal of work before it would become my primary.

Which way will the fanboys lean? Google or Mozilla? There will be blood.
So, first of all it's a Google product, which means perpetual beta status. Nice to play with, but you'd be insane to rely on it.
Second, it would appear that anything you post can be used by Google in any way it sees fit (including transformation), and that, for all eternity. Bye-bye privacy.
Third, Google specifically states that Chrome has "services" that are supported by ads. In other words, the whole Chrome package is a nice, shiny adware module.

Right, that's enough for me. Chrome is hereby officially banned from any of my desktops.
Hey folks, remember this is Free Software we're talking about. Not only is there no vendor lock-in for customers, even the vendors don't have vendor lock-in. Anything good Google does, Mozilla can copy, and vice versa. One side winning doesn't mean another side losing.

Apart from the non-Free players, of course. They lose all round.
i personally like mozilla firefox 3 beta 5.it's fast even if you're using a dial-up connection!and it stops those pop-ups.
and also,i feel safe everytime i surf the net because there are no spyware compared to internet explorer,i always have spyware everytime i scan my computer.but with mozilla,man,it's safe!
believe me!