Jump to content
The Inquirer-Home

EFF software keeps tabs on ISPs

Snoop doggy snoop
Thursday, 29 November 2007, 10:08

THE Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has released software which can tell if your ISP is mucking around with your service.

The EFF has been particularly concerned about Comcast who might be messing with Internet traffic using packet forgery techniques.

In October, Associated Press hacks revealed that Comcast was forging packets, in order to interfere P2P software.

While not denying that is what it is up to, Comcast has not actually said it is doing so either.

The EFF also advises punters how to use a a network analyzer like Wireshark to run an experiment with a friend or another user and detect bad packet behaviour.

There are two reports available the first has the catchy title Packet Forgery by ISPs: A Report on the Comcast Affair the other is called Detecting Packet Injection: A Guide to Packet Spoofing by ISPs

More here and here. µ

Share this:

Comments
abuses of freedoms, or...

Sounds on the surface like they are being compromised into preventing file-sharing indeed - probably on some kind of copyrighting violation terms.

It might be a security feature though? Some file-sharing clients make your computer part of a virtual LAN - linking it up to all the other machines to provide bandwidth sharing, in the same kind of way that you can join in with projects that use your computers spare clock cycles to help with things like medical research (eg - the protein folding).

Needless to say, not everyone will be using their access to a whole bunch of other pc's for good reasons.
Needless to say also, many folks that download filesharing clients don't tend to realise the security implications. I don't mean the research projects could be dodgy, just in case that isn't clear, as for those you'd be connecting to their main computer(s) and not to other folks machines that are online. 

So, to take a bad example, if someone else on the virtual LAN is syphoning off your bandwidth for their use, or using your ISP link to upload trojans to other machines, then your ISP would probably want to stop that at their end of the connection.

posted by : zupakomputer, 29 November 2007 Complain about this comment
ermm

Your article seems a bit wrong in places, particularly the title.

Wireshark doesnt seem to have anything to do with the EFF.
The EFF have only released a paper on how to use wireshark to analyse your network traffic.

posted by : Matthew Jordan, 29 November 2007 Complain about this comment
Abuse of Freedom?

There is no such thing as "Abuse of Freedom". Either you have a right to do something, and you have the right to do it until you die (masturbation), or you don't have the right to do it, at all (blowing up the sun).

So if Comcast offers "unparalleled, always-on, unlimited internet access" for something like $$$, and the only thing that differentiates each of their product lines is cost and bandwidth, then Comcast shouldn't care what I'm doing with my connection, right?

Well, no. As far as Comcast is concerned, they are the "pipeline police" and are somehow involved in protecting the internet from viruses, trojans, and p2p. Funny how they did nothing about the various worms rolling around the web. Then there was the Sony rootkit. Did you hear anything from Comcast about that?

What hacks most people off is the deception Comcast uses to sell product. They never say "Don't upload this much, or we'll cut you off" or "Don't seed from in-network, or we'll send RST packets to you and your downloaders (leeches)." Instead they silently do the will of big media, playing stupid all along.

Well, sorry, kids. The game is up. Comcast can either fess up to what they are doing, or have all of their shenanigans documented by EFF or little script kiddies running wireshark.

posted by : Shun, 29 November 2007 Complain about this comment
@ Glenn

People who were non violently protesting the Vietnam (and the current Iraq) War did nothing wrong either BUT there are files in the FBI about them in detail about their lives.

People marching for civil rights did nothign wrong but the FBI collected and hounded them as well.

John Lennon did nothing wrong but go rent "The US vs John Lennon" and see what happens to people who have nothing to hide.

Follow a link on a search engine/news site that leads to an Al Jazeera web site and ponder the flag that could raise. Follow that up with a call from a charity that the administration doesn't like and maybe an unfriendly email or a few internet searches of something innocent, legal but questionable by the people snooping and see what you get then.

Your reasoning has been followed by people being investigated by the police and IRS and certainly at least some of them have now found out the error of the logic "I have nothing to hide".

Let me remind you of a phrase found in Miranda: ANYTHING you say CAN AND WILL be used AGAINST YOU!

This does not mean that anything you say will be used to prove your innocence but instead that ANYTHING can and will be used to PROVE YOUR GUILT!

And if you think that you have nothing to hide (i.e have done nothing wrong) think again. There are countless laws on the books that people break everyday. And their are viruses and backdoors on a lot of people's systems that are producing activity that they know nothing about.

Furthermore, what you consider innocent behavior someone looking for guilt can view as not so innocent. 

Finally, what one spy program or administration may be interested in discovering does not mean that future programs or people may not change the parameters for. 

Freedom is a precarious thing and if you look around at Americans daily lives you will see that the line in the sand has been pushed backwards quite a bit already. Does these changes actually harm anyone? That's depending on symantics. But let me remind you that for many people their movements in this free country are already being monitored.

Board a plane, train or bus.. We know where you are at, where you are going and how long you are there.

Drive and if you use any toll roads we know where you are and where you are heading.

Drive down city streets and look at the cameras on the stop lights. SURE they're only there to help keep traffic flowing. But tell me that the govt can't access those cameras and that those cameras cant read license plates AND those cameras can't see into cars and if they wanted to that they couldn't do face recognition!

Credit cards are used more than cash nowadays. Tell me that a govt collecting a record of all purchases made doesn't infringe upon your freedoms. 

Oh but you got nothing to hide so after reading about terrorists or anti amercian news on a 'bad website', travelling a bit 'too much' 'too frequently', going to your local warehouse store (Sams, Costco ect) and buying certain cleaning chemicals, or food storage, or whatever is on 'the bad list' today (and ask the FTA about how bad lists change daily!) in bulk (many bad things can be made from chemicals sold by stores), maybe also donating money to a 'suspicious' charity (god forbid you also traveled to an area of one of these charity's or suspicious persons), made a few anti-administration remarks on the phone, on a forum post, in an email, drove around town in your car being captured by camera feeds looking suspicious or having a supsicious person (clothes, race whatever) in your car.... and any number of innocent things that you are not worried about hiding but can be assembled into a profile as being suspicious... and you will see innocent people having their lives sifted through the not so fine tooth comb of constitutional rights abuse.

You may be innocent until proven guilty but remember the job of government and prosecuters is not to prove you innocent but to prove you guilty. And when they have access to lots of mundane activities, net searches, comments, purchases, movement, financial transactions almost ANYONE can have those dots connected to prove that they are circumstantially guilty. And tell me that people are not in prison because of circumstantial evidence and show how ignorant and naive you really are.

Glenn you deserve neither freedom nor security. The sad thing is MANY people in America and the world are in the same boat as you are and deserve neither as well. The saddest thing is that it's you lot that are also giving away MY and my FAMILY'S freedom and security as well as ALL of our future generations.

I fear that the only way people like you will wake up is when it is either too late for all of us or until it is too late for someone you love. 

Not to be selfish but I hope someone close to you gets hurt by your attitudes before someone close to me gets hurt by your attitudes.


posted by : Mason, 29 November 2007 Complain about this comment
Advertisement
Subscribe to the INQ Newsletter
Sign-up for the INQBot weekly newsletter
Click here to sign up Existing user
Advertisement
INQ Poll

Browsers

Who will win the next round of browser wars?