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Nvidia blames AMD for dropping Physx support
Runs out of valid excuses

DESIGNER OF WARM GPUs Nvidia has blamed AMD for its stance on disabling Physx on a mix of AMD and Nvidia hardware.

Previously users could use a Nvidia card as a secondary "physics board", dedicated to computing game physics, which made use of the firm's hardware Physx support. Sensing it was giving business away to AMD, last September Nvidia pulled support for cross-vendor operation meaning that either gamers had to get an all Nvidia setup or be stuck on an old driver release.

The Green Goblin, like some schoolboy defending himself against a teacher, whimpered a load of guff about how it performs "extensive engineering" and "quality assurance" to justify its move. A customer care representative for the firm went further, detailing that it dropped support "for a variety of reasons - some development expense some quality assurance and some business reasons Nvidia will not support GPU accelerated Physx with Nvidia GPUs while GPU rendering is happening on non-Nvidia GPUs." Remove the padding and you'll find the nub of the issue, "business reasons".

So imagine the embarrassment for Nvidia when a few weeks ago the firm, with all its "quality assurance" practices, uploaded a beta version of its Forceware drivers that supported the very thing that it said adds to its cost and brings down the quality of Nvidia's products. Like cross-vendor Physx support, Nvidia dropped the driver quickly, though not fast enough because punters and review sites managed to grab copies to see what the current state of play was with AMD's well received Radeon 5870 and 5970 cards.

When the lads at Tweaktown went to, er, town with a couple of AMD's finest, the results were not all that surprising. As AMD's Radeon HD 5970 is pretty much the fastest GPU money can buy and doesn't require you to live next door to Sellafield, the writing was on the wall for Nvidia.

Whil the straight talking author concluded that, "if people want the fastest single card on the market, you can't look past the HD 5970", it led Nvidia's PR mouthpiece Brian Burke to tweet that, "if AMD wants their customers to have Physx, AMD should test it and support it so AMD's customers can have a good experience."

Given that Tweaktown's reviewers and many other gamers had absolutely no problems using AMD's cards for rendering and Nvidia's for physics computation, one wonders why, other than behaving like a petulant child, Burke decided to spout off deferring the blame to a company that loses nothing if it were to support Physx.

Though the beta drivers were pulled from Nvidia's site, a quick search will find the drivers, but don't expect Nvidia to change its stance anytime soon, after all it needs something to try and pull in the punters. µ

 

Mon 14 Jun 2010, 13:28
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Comments
Time to fine nVidia for dishonest practice

nVidia seem to be a sacre cow to the USA justice - demanding paimant (fon not used by most) SLI (purely softwere, btw) and now forbidding the use of their cards as secondary (if not stopped, the'll block Lucid Hydra use too!).

posted by : stas, 15 June 2010 Complain about this comment
What Happened to AMD and Havok???

Uhm Intel owns Havok =)

I don't think AMD could legally allow its GPU to process Physx and I suppose their pride gets in the way of them supporting it officially... the same way they did not want to support CUDA when Nvidia said they were open to that. Although I'm sure Nvidia was teasing them all along which did not help things along as I'm sure Nvidia is happy given the way AMD is doing things on the compute business at this time.

Nvidia will need to focus on refining Fermi on the next couple of shrinks if they know what is good for them...

posted by : Kode, 15 June 2010 Complain about this comment
We don't need physics cards.

We're up to six cores and eight threads in desktop computers. Use those for physics.

posted by : Mark Green, 15 June 2010 Complain about this comment
OpenCL

With the growing support of OpenCL it could be a standard praxis shortly to leave your old gfx card in the system as a pure computational entity.

PhysX is dead, who cares for a proprietary API when there is open platforms with wider support.

posted by : Q, 14 June 2010 Complain about this comment
What happened to....

ATI/AMD and Havok? they were flirting some time back when when PhysX was showing off some strength.

You almost feel bad for nVidia, they had a good thing going with AMD for a while, and after that AMD mergede with ATI they can't even go to Intel without being pushed away or ignored, they are trying to go for themselves with the whole HPC thing but yeah even there they can't be left alone with ATI showing some strength there as well.

But yeah, I pretty much turned away from nVidia after the merge of AMD and ATI, not for fanboyism, but because they released HD48XX series for a great great price.

posted by : Kim Leo, 14 June 2010 Complain about this comment
Physx not on nVidia cards?

When the whole Physx ball started rolling it was with dedicated add-in cards... do these cards still work? If so, why cant you just buy one of those and throw it into an AMD rig?

posted by : Taylor, 14 June 2010 Complain about this comment
It

sure would be something if AMD could tweak their stuff and sneak in PhysX support on their latest GPUs, without officially supporting it and having to pay royalties to nV for the trademark.

I doubt the 5xxx series cards would support it without having being designed for it from the get-go, so hopefully they'll sneak it in for the 6xxx series.

posted by : Leroy Jenkins, 14 June 2010 Complain about this comment