oh, and I forgot to say:

there used to be O2 3g coverage where I live, and when I enquired why there is no longer a 3g signal, O2 customer services said that a transmitter site had been moved away

they say the nearest O2 3g site to me is now about 4 kilometres away, and I can't expect any 3g signal at all

perhaps they should edit their published coverage map to accord with their internal one

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I said it was highly patronising for the boss of a mobile phone company to say this was not predictable, when it could be predicted more than 20 years ago

Also, if a network defines an access point with the name O2 Video, what did they intend it to be used for?

eventually what happens is consumers purchase their respective modge-podge of componants and hook em up into one big webby - call it internet3 - its already in production in some places but essentially, if i can just buy a device to get more connectivity to peers thats all i need.

Considering that the o2 network coverage map thinks I should be getting 3G where I live, and it's completely and utterly wrong. It doesn't even pick up the Edge network. In fact, my 20 mile bus journey to Belfast city everyday is a rollercoaster of very dodgy coverage, often dropping completely let alone be able to browse websites.

It would be utterly impossible for me therefore to even come close to 500mb of data, simply because the o2 3g network coverage is so utterly rubbish.

What's the point of having a smartphone if the network can't even provide half decent coverage?

Truly, it's a joke.

So he's saying "Things are going good, only 0.1% of the people actually use what they pay for leaving us with tons of free cash, so of course we will now make a move against those 0.1% just because we are unpleasant idiots that think we can sell even more to even more suckers and screw the customers who dare to use what they paid for"

Company adviser: (We have all this network stuff for internet and we're not using it much right now, why don't we off it as an additional feature?! especially cause no one uses it!)

Company: "Hell sir, if you buy this phone you will get unlimited internet!!"

Customer: "Hmm, why do I need unlimited internet on my phone? the browser on this one sucks & the speed is just silly"

Company: "Well should you be an avid news reader, keep track of stock etc you could use internet on your phone as much as you want! amongst other great features of this great data plan..."

Customer: "Oh look! I have this new phone that supports good speeds and an awesome browser that will soon be able to do flash! I want that unlimited internet deal!"

Company adviser: (Oh darn, now everyone wants unlimited internet & have fancy phones. We have profited much & sold lots of internet capable phones but did not upgrade the network...hmm...we should start charging them for internet usage per GB now, cause well they're gonna use it now!)

Company: "Oh, excellent choice sir, but please note that 'unlimited' now has limits. We're sorry, but it would still be cheaper for you should you have bought our previous unlimited data plan if you jump through this hoop & stand on one leg on a rainy day!"

Customer: "Uhm, oh ok, I guess I should have seen that be stick being shoved up my ass, ha ha jokes one me I guess."

Company adviser: (Explain to the customer that they would not normally exceed our limited offer anyhow since they don;t have flash support yet, most of them & when they do, well, then they'll exceed but we're already prepared to charge them overages)

Company: "Oh no sir! don't say that! if you look at your usage you will notice you did not really use more than X amount of internet anyhow! this limited service is in theory unlimited to you, as we can provide you with greater limited service & err support."

Big companies screw users all the time.

Business as usual.

P.S.

You paid O2 £40/m for the HTC Desire?!?!
Carphone warehouse offer it for £25/m "unlimited internet"

It's the reason I left O2.

"Oh, and you can bet your ass this lack of 'network capacity' is because the governments and military branches have a priority segment which takes a huge chunk of the available capacity."

This is the biggest load of conspiracy/paranoid horsecrap that I have read here in a long time.

Also, of note to those talking about the iPhone and tethering: by default, O2 allows tethering with the HTC Desire. It runs like crap and you have to download an app from the Android Marketplace to get it to work without voodoo chants and all that, but it does work nonetheless. No rooting or ROM tweaking required.

so...what does this rant have to do with the end of innovation?

Oh, and you can bet your ass this lack of 'network capacity' is because the governments and military branches have a priority segment which takes a huge chunk of the available capacity. But of course companies aren't going to tell you their biggest customers are hogging what could be used for us commoners.

Anyway, the whole 3G/4G thing isn't worth what they charge, not to mention what the 'smart' phones cost.

I prefer using a cheap and easy prepaid service for a phone to speak on, and just use the wireless for net access, or even better, use a netbook or something similar.

As far as I was aware, O2 would send a nasty message if I exceeded 500MB on my 'unlimited' iPhone data plan. If I exceeded 1GB, I'd get a kick to the nuts.

The fact that you can't download more than some 20MB in one hit slaughters most things you'd do with the iPhone anyway. This was of particular importance when the subject of tethering arose. What difference did it make if I used the data plan I was already paying for and was supposedly unlimited to tether to my PC once in a while? Data is data, right? Apparently not.

Of course one of the first things you do is jailbreak the thing so you don't have to owe O2 any extra money for tethering. After all, why 'would' you owe them extra if you're already on an Unlimited data plan? Supporters of 3G data modems need not answer - the business aspect of it is understandable, but the principle certainly isn't. Unlimited, pfft.

As a matter of fact, you first paragraph is a complete load of tosh. O2 offered "unlimited" data packages on other smart-phones with no limit defined in the FUP. Not a full week before O2 changed their stance, I signed up for an 18 month contract with an HTC Desire at £40/month which included "unlimited" data-transfer. While I knew fine well it would never be truly unlimited, given that I wasn't born yesterday, their FUP also did not specify an actual cap.

Frankly, Lawrence has hit the nail on the head. Mobile tariffs are verging on hilariously over-priced as it is. What on earth DOES Dunne think I'm paying £40/mo for? A few hundred texts and calls? Whoopee, there goes a whopping couple of MB in data-transfer in a month. No, we're paying for mobile content. To then say we're using too much and charge even MORE to use the same is tantamount to extortion. 500MB is nothing short of an utterly side-splitting joke, given the content available on the Android marketplace, even before you branch out to the rest of the web.

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Mobile could warn You.

AMD Flourish for those with Mobile varying every few months between $7.50 to $10. Done that many times in last half year. Investor makes cool 1/3 & just tracks AMD, At $8.90, so niether buy nor sell, yetoscilation will continue. AMD Has Much More Potential than flakey GM Company AKA Motors Liquidation. AMD is NYSE.

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£1mil a day investment, it's not much to spend on a network when that network is easily earning you 20x that = 7.3bil/year.

It's money for old rope. The network exists, they are spending sweet FA on it, and charging plenty to customers.

Who gets fast loading pages without stutter on 3G?

3G/HSDPA is not even close to a regular cheap 2mb adsl connection for internet pages. What are they spending that £1mil a day on?

before putting hand to keyboard? The only "unlimited" mobile broadband was on the iPhone, and only then for data that it used it's self, not tethered. The iPhone restricts certain types of data to WiFi, so you have to stream media like a looney in order to get much past 1GB of usage in a month, and despite what he seems to think O2 *actually* had a FUP of 3GB so it was never truly unlimited, just very hard to exceed in practice.

Unlike fixed line broadband, mobile broadband is a very much more limited resource. All you can eat plans are a bad idea. Making people pay for what they use in reasonable sized blocks (£5/500MB extra up to a maximum of 2GB (depending on the plan you're on) is one way of doing it. I suspect that Three will produce something like their iPad tariff (up to 10GB of data for £15). Buyers are free to pick and chose between the offerings for the deal that suits them best. If thee's demand for more bandwidth then the tariffs will be adjusted to meet that demand, or the other company gets the business. Not that hard to work out is it?

At some point. A broadcast TV station can beam to millions of receivers at once, but those internets "tubes" have wildly varied data, rarely even cache-able at the server.

Over-selling is another problem, but kind of handy overall, which is why I think it persists even though most users are over-charged, and some tiny portion under-charged. -- Actually, I doubt that my cable company loses money on even my high usage. -- But it's just too complicated for both users and companies otherwise.

By the way, no one matches M$ for bloated webpages, just look at:
http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/
Saved as complete: 16MB.
Pretty high for a page that hasn't been updated for months.

I think you over-react. In fact, I think this demonstrates true innovation in pricing models. Admittedly I am in the USA and use ATT (which has had issues with providing service). Nonetheless, I use 3G data everyday on my iphone. Emails (with attachments), web browsing, downloading documents using idisk app, youtube, weather app, stocks app, downloading music and apps. I was alarmed when ATT did the same thing to their data plan - replacing 'unlimited' data for $30 with 2 Gig data for $25, or 200 MB for $15. However, when I reviewed my 3G data use for the past 6 months it ranged from 120 MB to 300 MB. So though losing unlimited data sounds terrible, in fact it will:

1. Save me money (I could use the $15 plan but I'm sticking with the $25). Still that's $5 less per month.

2. Eventually make my data access faster, if ATT's policy dissuades the data hogs from sucking up all the bandwidth. I'll probably get flamed for that comment.

Clearly, the mobile operators made a mistake in their calculations of the long-tail use of data. I think it is hard to blame them for this. Data consumption has exploded in the past 3 years (10 fold increases). So I don't think it is reasonable to blame them for not predicting the immense data use of 0.1% of subscribers in 2010 back in 2007 when they set the initial policy. If this is such a bad idea, I would assume one of the multiple UK iPhone service providers in the UK will break ranks and continue to offer unlimited service.

In the USA ATT has offered to continue to honor their unlimited data contract to existing subscribers. That seems more than fair, and gives the high users time to adjust or find an alternative provider.