If we, the user, have more input into what they put on the mainboards, how about making ultra-overkill mainboards suitable for gamers?
We all know people who would, if they could use a four-socket, 32-core board if they knew it would do one thing alone: Reduce latency to nearly nothing.
One of the main beefs I have with system specs that people advertise after testing a system with 4DMark 2096 or whatever is that they never show anything but averages.
In a game, getting killed or surviving in many situations is not about your average frame rate. Anyone can get 400 fps in the middle of a small dark room with no features and no enemies nearby.
What is needed is a rating system that shows bottlenecks, such as when you are in a huge field battle, lots of enemies, explosions, and graphic-intensive effects in play, where you momentarily dip to 4 frames per hour.
It isn't average or peak framerates the gamers need to know about. It's having very high framerates at the WORST situations that determine the usefulness of a system for gaming.
Having two things: a 3dMark or whatever system that can identify framerate bottlenecks as they occur, thus showing which computer setup can get you killed just when you needed the speed the most, and the availability of systems based on very-high-end motherboards that can dramatically raise the floor of how bad your framerates GET in those critical situations.
With a recognized benchmark, people would have a new thing to target, brag about, use in gaming, and buy hardware to achieve: the High Minimum Framerate system.
I have played quite a few games. I find the same problem in every one. Even my top-of-the-line video card-equipped system bogs to hell RIGHT when I most need it to be working smoothly.
I would pay good money for a motherboard that had, as its main feature, a very high base framerate capability because things wouldn't get bottlenecked at the worst time, which is usually in the middle of a battle with lots of very hostile enemies nearby.
By introducing hardware for the server market that had a few tweaks or modifications to also make it very suitable for gaming, the manufacturers could appeal to those who will have speed at any cost.
By introducing benchmarks that more accurately measure the most critical performance of all: How badly the system slows down right in the middle of a very intense battle, there could be an increased awareness of the need for such boards.
Measuring peak or average speeds, but not mentioning that this high-average fps board bogs to 4 frames per fortnight right at the worst possible moments is not giving a full measure of what is needed in the board or system.
With such a benchmark, I think even the most basic server board might be found to kick the ass of the so-called best gaming board, or be designed to do just that.
There is one link in the chain still making a massive profit from all this, and that’s Intel.
What we need is more competition. Intel shouldn’t be allowed to dictate what chipsets are available for its CPUs.
And the customers shouldn’t be so fixated on x86 compatibility. Which you only need to run Windows anyway. And since when did “Windows” and “high-performance” go together?
ARM will do to x86 what x86 did to specialty workstations that specialty workstations did to minicomputers that minicomputers did to mainframes that mainframes did to offices full of human computers.
Last Thuuurrrrsday, AMD Stated NO More Contracts for HKMG on 40/45nm will be taken. here:Globalfoundries: No AMD 45nm Microprocessors with HKMG Incoming. Globalfoundries Dismisses Rumours Regarding 45nm SOI + HKMG Microprocessors Mess has migratd to 28 & 32 nm proces.
HKMG is focused on 32nm/28nm generations,” said Jon Carvill
Vat Does change mean to theINQ Reefer, errrr, READER. Well, Meaning is Simple 45/40 nm thurban & Magny coups upswing will incorporate added bonus of Lower Power Gates,less heat,less leakage due to Low K metal gates needing less voltage to flip III-V Reaction. Fits Pattern explained so very long ago by Same As Self.
Same with graphene, if it becomes true, Ultimate low K gate as Finisher.
why did you even bother mentioning AMD? They do have multiple SR5690 boards out and more coming with MagnyCours.
They have plenty of bandwidth, plenty of cores and I believe 42 lanes. I guess they aren't trying hard enough to monopolize all PC parts for you, huhn?
A company is selling an MC 4P system on eBay at 2.2GHz. Thats 12 cores mind you. With 2 of those and 2 Evergreen-based FirePros......
Way Back When Mike Was editor, Drashek Claimed High metal K Gates Evolve to Low K Metal gates As Standard Practice of Stepping UP. ?Was editor....
Now Community of FABS hae Skipped Low K Metal Gates For Generation & Hangs Start to Appear, At least at 45nm level. So Is D wrong. NO.
Graphene is next Low K Transistor 'acomin. Once again SongBirds Will Roost in Yard & Happy Campers, EveryOne,EveryWhere.
Ahso, HRM STeWie Stated Long, Long AGO That World needs 32X Pci-e Slot. Well got Hz in Effect With pci-e 2.0.
actual 32X slot Specs are still in Pci-e standards manuel, with NO takers, To Date.NEED:32X Pci-e 2.0
tehREADER, in ALL Mighty Wisdom, Knows that combineing Multi socket or Multi sloted graphics really CUTS BAck On Total Performance. 50% less at first cut. So Neb, in detailing need for Workstation May mean 32X pci-e Card Slots, to Give GPU Room to Move & Develope.
Now Wasn't That Tsatee'.
In Power7 Cell Enviorment with 32X pci-e Flame Broiling Whopper.King of Machines Develope. Real Killer Machine. Then Add graphene, IBM. or is it just bee 'mmmmm? M.
Obiviously What World truely Needs is More Drash.
Candidates:EveryWhere, Sylv,Eva, Botox ETA, Maureen O'Hara, Scarlet Be Thy Name, ladies.
Calling:Copper Harding...LunchTime,Honey.
If we, the user, have more input into what they put on the mainboards, how about making ultra-overkill mainboards suitable for gamers?
We all know people who would, if they could use a four-socket, 32-core board if they knew it would do one thing alone: Reduce latency to nearly nothing.
One of the main beefs I have with system specs that people advertise after testing a system with 4DMark 2096 or whatever is that they never show anything but averages.
In a game, getting killed or surviving in many situations is not about your average frame rate. Anyone can get 400 fps in the middle of a small dark room with no features and no enemies nearby.
What is needed is a rating system that shows bottlenecks, such as when you are in a huge field battle, lots of enemies, explosions, and graphic-intensive effects in play, where you momentarily dip to 4 frames per hour.
It isn't average or peak framerates the gamers need to know about. It's having very high framerates at the WORST situations that determine the usefulness of a system for gaming.
Having two things: a 3dMark or whatever system that can identify framerate bottlenecks as they occur, thus showing which computer setup can get you killed just when you needed the speed the most, and the availability of systems based on very-high-end motherboards that can dramatically raise the floor of how bad your framerates GET in those critical situations.
With a recognized benchmark, people would have a new thing to target, brag about, use in gaming, and buy hardware to achieve: the High Minimum Framerate system.
I have played quite a few games. I find the same problem in every one. Even my top-of-the-line video card-equipped system bogs to hell RIGHT when I most need it to be working smoothly.
I would pay good money for a motherboard that had, as its main feature, a very high base framerate capability because things wouldn't get bottlenecked at the worst time, which is usually in the middle of a battle with lots of very hostile enemies nearby.
By introducing hardware for the server market that had a few tweaks or modifications to also make it very suitable for gaming, the manufacturers could appeal to those who will have speed at any cost.
By introducing benchmarks that more accurately measure the most critical performance of all: How badly the system slows down right in the middle of a very intense battle, there could be an increased awareness of the need for such boards.
Measuring peak or average speeds, but not mentioning that this high-average fps board bogs to 4 frames per fortnight right at the worst possible moments is not giving a full measure of what is needed in the board or system.
With such a benchmark, I think even the most basic server board might be found to kick the ass of the so-called best gaming board, or be designed to do just that.
There is one link in the chain still making a massive profit from all this, and that’s Intel.
What we need is more competition. Intel shouldn’t be allowed to dictate what chipsets are available for its CPUs.
And the customers shouldn’t be so fixated on x86 compatibility. Which you only need to run Windows anyway. And since when did “Windows” and “high-performance” go together?
ARM will do to x86 what x86 did to specialty workstations that specialty workstations did to minicomputers that minicomputers did to mainframes that mainframes did to offices full of human computers.
To counter act the x86 marching into server space. I would love to have a POWER7 in my house :)
Instead of more ramble on semi conductors, something younger than self, heres todays 5PM EE:
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=YQ54NTHO21APTQE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN?articleID=222900570
Signed:Glad thats done.
Last Thuuurrrrsday, AMD Stated NO More Contracts for HKMG on 40/45nm will be taken. here:Globalfoundries: No AMD 45nm Microprocessors with HKMG Incoming. Globalfoundries Dismisses Rumours Regarding 45nm SOI + HKMG Microprocessors Mess has migratd to 28 & 32 nm proces.
HKMG is focused on 32nm/28nm generations,” said Jon Carvill
Vat Does change mean to theINQ Reefer, errrr, READER. Well, Meaning is Simple 45/40 nm thurban & Magny coups upswing will incorporate added bonus of Lower Power Gates,less heat,less leakage due to Low K metal gates needing less voltage to flip III-V Reaction. Fits Pattern explained so very long ago by Same As Self.
Same with graphene, if it becomes true, Ultimate low K gate as Finisher.
Signed:Ultee' K Coups & Dakotian Prophet.
why did you even bother mentioning AMD? They do have multiple SR5690 boards out and more coming with MagnyCours.
They have plenty of bandwidth, plenty of cores and I believe 42 lanes. I guess they aren't trying hard enough to monopolize all PC parts for you, huhn?
A company is selling an MC 4P system on eBay at 2.2GHz. Thats 12 cores mind you. With 2 of those and 2 Evergreen-based FirePros......
InWho.
hot swappable redundant PSUs and drives in a RAID array. Not every server has them, and they come with a premium.
Medal-Schmetal, I like to pedal.
Power-Schmower, I don't need to shower.
Signed: theRealSwedishChef
Way Back When Mike Was editor, Drashek Claimed High metal K Gates Evolve to Low K Metal gates As Standard Practice of Stepping UP. ?Was editor....
Now Community of FABS hae Skipped Low K Metal Gates For Generation & Hangs Start to Appear, At least at 45nm level. So Is D wrong. NO.
Graphene is next Low K Transistor 'acomin. Once again SongBirds Will Roost in Yard & Happy Campers, EveryOne,EveryWhere.
Ahso, HRM STeWie Stated Long, Long AGO That World needs 32X Pci-e Slot. Well got Hz in Effect With pci-e 2.0.
actual 32X slot Specs are still in Pci-e standards manuel, with NO takers, To Date.NEED:32X Pci-e 2.0
tehREADER, in ALL Mighty Wisdom, Knows that combineing Multi socket or Multi sloted graphics really CUTS BAck On Total Performance. 50% less at first cut. So Neb, in detailing need for Workstation May mean 32X pci-e Card Slots, to Give GPU Room to Move & Develope.
Now Wasn't That Tsatee'.
In Power7 Cell Enviorment with 32X pci-e Flame Broiling Whopper.King of Machines Develope. Real Killer Machine. Then Add graphene, IBM. or is it just bee 'mmmmm? M.
Obiviously What World truely Needs is More Drash.
Candidates:EveryWhere, Sylv,Eva, Botox ETA, Maureen O'Hara, Scarlet Be Thy Name, ladies.
Calling:Copper Harding...LunchTime,Honey.
Signed:theDRASH